How durable are the Dragon Ball Characters?

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#1 Posted by Perpetr8rMike (870 posts) - - Show Bio

Durability in Dragon Ball characters is always an issue because we have different displays that seem to imply there is some tomfoolery to do with it. Like Goku being shot with an energy shot during Resurrection of F. But also being able to take punches from people like Beerus, Golden Frieza, and Jiren without imploding or exploding from the force of it. So what gives?

My theory is that Ki Control is the factor we are missing out on. Though its never to my knowledge been stated. That while a fighter is conscious and on guard his body can withstand a lot more punishment without lethal damage as his Ki is hardening his body and making it far more durable. But when knocked unconscious or if they drop their guard they are no more durable than a normal member of their species.

This could also explain why they transform back to base form when knocked unconscious or badly stunned. As this would essentially turn off their Ki Control or at least cause them a momentary distraction from it.

This would also explain why people with better Ki Control and more Ki output can vaporize opponents who are also powerful being capable of taking a massive beating like it was nothing. Their combined control and output simply overwhelms the weakers ki control and output and destroys them.

People ask why Vegeta would be killed by Earth exploding in RoF even as a SSB. Well if the denotation of Earth produced a shockwave and that shockwave either knocked him out or stunned him Vegeta could have lost ki control and been vaporized by the expanding super heated material of the planet before he could react to it and bring back up his Ki Control to enhance his durability.

If this is true would measuring their durability be near impossible?

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#2 Posted by Dession_Viper (742 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Planet to multi planet level.

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#3 Posted by DrPepperMan (5006 posts) - - Show Bio

Well SSJ Namek Goku was tanking to no selling energy beams from Frieza, a casual planet buster, so SSB Goku would easily have multi solar system durability at least.

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#4 Posted by Perpetr8rMike (870 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: The question becomes. Do we know for a fact those are planet busting attacks? I mean Gohan is a planet buster, but if he is training videl or Pan would he be throwing anywhere close to that level of power?

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#5 Posted by camilopezo (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

Durability = Destructive power

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#6 Posted by camilopezo (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

Durability = Destructive power

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#7 Posted by DrPepperMan (5006 posts) - - Show Bio

@perpetr8rmike: Frieza planet busted. His final form >>> his first form. Goku was deflecting his death beams in his base form.

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5b9c488ed7f76 (10909 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza survived Hakai energy, Vegeta survived Hakai energy. Top tier DBS characters will only get killed/knocked out from characters that are universal+.

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#9 Posted by Perpetr8rMike (870 posts) - - Show Bio

@drpepperman: That is true he was firing his death beam but those are piercing blasts and he was smacking them aside. Not sure if thats durability. But you do have a point.

@crash_: True

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#10 Posted by Mortein (6002 posts) - - Show Bio

Their durability is slightly lower or equal to their destructive capabilities. This has been demonstrated so many times.

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#11 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

Wall level durability.

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#12 Edited by Shenron007 (2110 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by Standardized (957 posts) - - Show Bio

been known this

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#15 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (17110 posts) - - Show Bio

Wall level durability.

Stop wanking, they're barely rock level.

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#16 Posted by Shenron007 (2110 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (17110 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Pffft.

Wall>>Random rock > Goku:

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Both Goku and Vegeta acknowledge the power of rocks, deciding to use them over their own energy:

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Toph>>>DB-Verse

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#18 Posted by Shenron007 (2110 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Posted by Galactic_1000 (5037 posts) - - Show Bio

Extremely Incosistence

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#20 Edited by cromulor (1334 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza threw a huge planet busting attack (he stated it was and we have no reason to believe otherwise since Frieza has busted at least 3 different planets before with no trouble) at Toppo who then fired a TINY Hakai orb, no larger in size than a baseball, and it completely destroyed Frieza’s attack the moment it made connect no difficulty at all. Toppo hit Frieza himself with a much larger, and more charged Hakai orb, and he survived it. So their durability is at least substantially beyond planet level.

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#21 Posted by slimj87d (15583 posts) - - Show Bio

Very durable. They can take FTL hits from Dyspo.

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5ae6527167c26 (2058 posts) - - Show Bio

On guard SSG and up= multi-galactic to universal DC and Durability

Off guard= Solar System

BTW this only applies to saiyans, Im sure the Androids and other aliens have higher off guard durability

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#23 Posted by Shenron007 (2110 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: the Dyspo wank lol, no evidence he is ftl never travelled interstellar distances on panel.

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#24 Edited by slimj87d (15583 posts) - - Show Bio

@shenron007 said:

@slimj87d: the Dyspo wank lol, no evidence he is ftl never travelled interstellar distances on panel.

How do you expect people to take your post seriously? You don't even understand what FTL means. It means "faster than light."

#Shenron007DumbPost

I literally ignore 90% of your responses most of the time. This was one of those responses that should have been ignored.

The whole point of Dyspo is that he's faster than light. Faster Than Light. Faster Than Light.

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#25 Edited by MainJP (5159 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, let's see...

They're hurt by bullets:

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They're hurt by rocks:

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They're pierced by generic brand lasers.

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And hurt by elephants stepping on their hands:

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They also have an intolerance to sharp things:

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I'd say their durability is shit tier.

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#26 Posted by GokuAndSuperman (455 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp: Hopefully you are joking. If not then you are dumbest lowballer ever. Here comes a moderator to tell me stop being mean or get banned for over bs. While someone in this site says n word and gets deleted within a day.

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#27 Edited by MainJP (5159 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuandsuperman: I'm kinda joking but not really. And I just made that elephant gif.

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#28 Posted by MainJP (5159 posts) - - Show Bio

But you have to admit that Elephant must be at least Freeza to android tier. It made blonde Goku shout.

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#29 Edited by AlexTheBoss (13777 posts) - - Show Bio

My thoughts on durability/destructive output as of now

early dragon ball: building level

King Piccolo saga: city level

23rd budokai saga: island level

weaker saiyan saga characters: country level

stronger saiyan saga characters/weaker namek saga characters: continent level

suppressed Frieza tier: planet level

final form Frieza/android/low ssj tier: multi planet level

super perfect Cell/good Buu/ssj2 tier: star/solar system level

kid buu/super Buu/ssj3 tier: multi star/solar system + level

buu saga Vegito/SSG Goku: multi solar system to galaxy level

SSB tier: around galaxy level

SSB kk/SSBE/Anilaza/ssj2 Kefla/GoD Toppo: galaxy+ to multi galaxy level

UI Goku/Jiren/GoD: galaxy cluster to universe level

Angels: universe to universe + level

Zeno: multiverse level

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#30 Edited by kyrees (13284 posts) - - Show Bio

@camilopezo said:

Durability = Destructive power

explain pre-super android 18 and 17 then.

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#31 Posted by aqmatlatsuji (44 posts) - - Show Bio

Ki control/manipulation is something that non-dbz fans have a hard time understanding. They keep thinking db characters are full-power all the time like Superman is. Like Goku being hurt by a rock, he was relax and wasn't expecting Krillin to throw a rock at him. I think durability=destructive power is true like with Frieza, he was strong enough to destroy planets but also tough enough to survive planet destruction. So the level on guard should be:

frieza = planetary durability

cell = star/solar system durability

kid buu = galactic durability

beerus = universal durability

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#32 Edited by Psy4 (320 posts) - - Show Bio

People arguing when there are two correct answers.

@mainjp said:

Well, let's see...

They're hurt by bullets:

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They're hurt by rocks:

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They're pierced by generic brand lasers.

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And hurt by elephants stepping on their hands:

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They also have an intolerance to sharp things:

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I'd say their durability is shit tier.

This. Whether anyone likes it or not is legit (minus the shit tier part lol xD). They are still tougher than most living creatures passively but their natural, ki-less durability is not stellar at all.

@aqmatlatsuji said:

Ki control/manipulation is something that non-dbz fans have a hard time understanding. They keep thinking db characters are full-power all the time like Superman is. Like Goku being hurt by a rock, he was relax and wasn't expecting Krillin to throw a rock at him. I think durability=destructive power is true like with Frieza, he was strong enough to destroy planets but also tough enough to survive planet destruction. So the level on guard should be:

frieza = planetary durability

cell = star/solar system durability

kid buu = galactic durability

beerus = universal durability

This is also very right. When they are using their ki and focused, they can resist so many outrageous things.

  • The sword that diced Frieza into a thousand pieces was blocked by Goku's index finger in ssj1
  • Trunks received and lifted Frieza's supernova with one hand without damage
  • Many more examples of immense durability

The main problem is more stubbornness from both sides. Rabid fans not wanting to acknowledge that natural durability is not great unless it's ki-enhanced (because ki is the basis of everything) and lowballers tunnel-visioning instances where characters received attacks they weren't prepared to receive and showed how soft they can be without focus.

  • Off-guard durability: Not great.
  • Prepped durability: Superb or *insert whatever* level you wanna call it.

If logic and rationality prevailed these two answers would be accepted and this wouldn't even be a debate.

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#33 Posted by Emanresu_20 (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

People saying Beerus, Whis, etc. has universal durability go back to the agony Beerus fight when Whis said everyone in the Universe would die if it was destroyed.

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#34 Posted by Perpetr8rMike (870 posts) - - Show Bio

@psy4: This reminds me of that Game Theory video. MatPat suggests that these characters are using their ki (Electrical potential) to create a plasma forcefield-like field around their body, much more noticeable when they power up and that fiery aura actually being a form of plasma shield. And we do know Cold Plasma is at least theorized to be a thing.

So when on guard they can create a field around their body much like Superman's passive bio-electric aura.

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#35 Posted by MetalJimmor (5694 posts) - - Show Bio

When powered up their durability is equal to their standard damage output but below the damage output of their charged attacks like kamehameha or galick gun. At least usually.

When powered down their durability seems normal for their species. Saiyans are bullet proof but can still feel them while humans are not, as an example.

I have a theory that Frieza might be massively stronger than everyone else when powered down on account of him surviving a planetary explosion when he had no ki and being so monstrously powerful without any training, but that's just a theory.

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