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    Concept » Dragon Ball Universe appears in 185 issues.

    The shared universe between some of the works of Akira Toriyama such as Dragonball, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dr Slump, Neko Majin, and other one shot mangas.

    DBS Mortal Tier List

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    This is to take in consideration of what happened at the end of Super and speculation of what MIGHT happen in the movie. I didn't count fusions.

    Jiren(Broly might be here or two, depends on how he does in the movie)

    Vegeta/Goku

    Goku/Vegeta

    Toppo(Might not be a mortal anymore but hey)

    Hit

    Frieza

    Dyspo

    Kale

    Gohan/Android 17

    Caulifla

    Cabba

    I'd like to see all your opinions and your own ranks.

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    1. Mastered UI Goku

    2. Full Power Jiren

    3. Dark Blue Vegeta

    4. Toppo

    5. Kefla

    6. Hit

    7. Android 17/ Golden Frieza

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    #3  Edited By Gokublack123760

    1. Vegito

    2. Goku

    3. Broly (probably)

    4. Jiren

    5. Vegeta

    6. Toppo

    7. Kefla

    8. Trunks (Genki sword)

    9. Aniraza

    10. Hit

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    #4  Edited By RukelnikovFTW

    1- Goku (MUI)

    2- Jiren

    3- Trunks (Genki Sword)

    4- Vegeta

    5- Hit

    6- Kale (LSSJ)

    7- Zamasu Black (maybe higher)

    8- Frieza

    9- 17

    10- Toppo (non GoD, since its a list of mortals)

    Damn had to edit multiple times, last 4 spots are hard to decide

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    Tier 1: UI Goku, Jiren

    Tier 2: SSBE Vegeta, SSB KK Goku, GOD Toppo, sword of hope Trunks

    Tier 3: SSB Goku/Vegeta, Hit, Golden Frieza, 17, SSR Black

    Tier 4: SSG Goku, ultimate Gohan, Dyspo, ssj rage Trunks

    Tier 5: ssj3 Goku, Berserk Kale, base Black

    Tier 6: final form Frieza, ssj2 Caulifla/Cabba, U6 Namekians

    Tier 7: base Goku/Vegeta, Buu, Frost, ssj Caulifla/Cabba

    Tier 8: base/ssj Gohan, Piccolo, 18, magical girls, trio de dange

    Tier 9: Krillin, Tien, Roshi

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    #8  Edited By Gokublack123760

    @alextheboss: black isn't a mortal, also if black was ssjb level, his base form would be ssjg level because ssjr gives a 50x multiplier

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    @gokublack123760:

    black isn't a mortal,

    Well he is in a mortal body.

    also if black was ssjb level, his base form would be ssjg level

    Maybe, Trunks compared base black to ssj3 Goku but Black did seem to get stronger so he may have reached SSG level.

    because ssjr gives a 50x multiplier

    Says who? Neither SSB or SSR have a given multiplier. In the manga SSB is actually confirmed to be less than 10x SSG.

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    #10  Edited By Gokublack123760
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    @gokublack123760: Just because it's his version of ssj doesn't mean it's the same multiplier. SSB is just SSG ki mixed with ssj ki, it doesn't automatically make it 50x SSG. It could be, but we don't know.

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    1. Goku (MUI)
    2. Jiren
    3. Vegeta
    4. Toppo
    5. Hit
    6. Frieza

    Broly will be between Vegeta and Jiren

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    #14  Edited By LeonardoTMNT

    Tier 1: UI Goku, Jiren

    Tier 2: SSBE Vegeta, SSB KK Goku, GOD Toppo, sword of hope Trunks

    Tier 3: SSB Goku/Vegeta, Hit, Golden Frieza, 17, SSR Black

    Tier 4: SSG Goku, ultimate Gohan, Dyspo, ssj rage Trunks

    Tier 5: ssj3 Goku, Berserk Kale, base Black

    Tier 6: final form Frieza, ssj2 Caulifla/Cabba, U6 Namekians

    Tier 7: base Goku/Vegeta, Buu, Frost, ssj Caulifla/Cabba

    Tier 8: base/ssj Gohan, Piccolo, 18, magical girls, trio de dange

    Tier 9: Krillin, Tien, Roshi

    This list seems legitimate to me

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    Ignoring the madness in the manga:

    1. M. UI Goku

    2. Full Power Jiren

    3. Raging LSSJ2 Kefla

    4. Beyond Blue Vegeta

    5. God Toppo

    6. Hit

    7. Golden Frieza

    8. Android 17

    9. Dyspo

    10. Cabba

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    #17  Edited By noobsnowman

    Assuming all at their peaks:

    Tier 1:

    1. Goku

    2. Jiren

    Tier 1.5:

    3. Hit

    Tier 2:

    4. Goku Black

    5. Toppo

    6. Vegeta

    Tier 3:

    8. Frieza

    9. Android 17

    10. Gohan

    Didn't factor Kefla and Vegito because OP says no fusions.

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    Assuming all at their peaks:

    Tier 1:

    1. Goku

    2. Jiren

    Tier 1.5:

    3. Hit

    Tier 2:

    4. Goku Black

    5. Toppo

    6. Vegeta

    Tier 3:

    8. Frieza

    9. Android 17

    10. Dyspo

    Didn't factor Kefla and Vegito because OP says no fusions.

    Why is hit so high and vegeta so low? And why is toppo in front of vegeta...

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    Ignoring the madness in the manga:

    1. M. UI Goku

    2. Full Power Jiren

    3. Raging LSSJ2 Kefla

    4. Beyond Blue Vegeta

    5. God Toppo

    6. Hit

    7. Golden Frieza

    8. Android 17

    9. Dyspo

    10. Cabba

    Probably

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    #20  Edited By noobsnowman

    @standardized: Hit is high because at least if he can kill, he can turn a supposedly even fight to a one shot in his favour. His performance against Jiren as impressive as it is considering the circumstances, and if hes unhindered he would be a killing machine.

    Vegeta only defeated Toppo because of his rage amp, even then his Final Explosion barely got through Toppo's destructive energy. The attack damaged himself more than it did Toppo. Otherwise Toppo is better than him, albeit marginally.

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    @standardized: Hit is high because at least if he can kill, he can turn a supposedly even fight to a one shot in his favour. His performance against Jiren as impressive as it is considering the circumstances, and if hes unhindered he would be a killing machine.

    Vegeta only defeated Toppo because of his rage amp, even then his Final Explosion barely got through Toppo's destructive energy. The attack damaged himself more than it did Toppo. Otherwise Toppo is better than him, albeit marginally.

    Hit got absolutely destroyed by jiren, Jiren casually broke out of Hit's strongest move and both G.O.D toppo and vegeta are stronger than jiren was at that point.

    Vegeta still beat Toppo tho. And Vegeta got right back up and wasn't Toppo Temporarily KOed?

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    #22  Edited By noobsnowman

    @standardized:

    Hit got absolutely destroyed by jiren

    Evading Jiren's assault with Time Skip and blocking the majority of his attacks does not constitute getting 'destroyed'.

    In fact, Hit landed a point blank Flat Fist Crush on Jiren that would be lethal if he intended to kill.

    Jiren casually broke out of Hit's strongest move

    Casually? He was frozen for a good while and even afterward he only managed to move with significant effort. At that point, even a farmer with a shotgun can run faster than him.

    And secondly, it's not his strongest move. How can it be his strongest move if it wasn't a killing move?

    both G.O.D toppo and vegeta are stronger than jiren was at that point.

    Vegeta performed equally well as Goku in their clash against Jiren when they attacked together, putting them as equals. So Vegeta and by extension Toppo is SSBKKx20 level. We both know what Jiren can do to that level fighter when he's serious.

    Vegeta still beat Toppo tho

    After a circumstantial amp that he would not have access to in a normal fight. And even then it was close.

    And Vegeta got right back up and wasn't Toppo Temporarily KOed?

    Vegeta was drained and was clearly severely wounded afterwards. Toppo was only knocked out for a few seconds before regaining composure and appeared to be in a better shape than Vegeta on the bench.

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    @standardized:

    Hit got absolutely destroyed by jiren

    Evading Jiren's assault with Time Skip and blocking the majority of his attacks does not constitute getting 'destroyed'.

    In fact, Hit landed a point blank Flat Fist Crush on Jiren that would be lethal if he intended to kill.

    Jiren casually broke out of Hit's strongest move

    Casually? He was frozen for a good while and even afterward he only managed to move with significant effort. At that point, even a farmer with a shotgun can run faster than him.

    And secondly, it's not his strongest move. How can it be his strongest move if it wasn't a killing move?

    both G.O.D toppo and vegeta are stronger than jiren was at that point.

    Vegeta performed equally well as Goku in their clash against Jiren when they attacked together, putting them as equals. So Vegeta and by extension Toppo is SSBKKx20 level. We both know what Jiren can do to that level fighter when he's serious.

    Vegeta still beat Toppo tho

    After a circumstantial amp that he would not have access to in a normal fight. And even then it was close.

    And Vegeta got right back up and wasn't Toppo Temporarily KOed?

    Vegeta was drained and was clearly severely wounded afterwards. Toppo was only knocked out for a few seconds before regaining composure and appeared to be in a better shape than Vegeta on the bench.

    Hit only managed to tag Jiren once their entire fight. So yeah he got destroyed. And time skip is irrelevant if the opponent has a higher power.

    Are you really trying to say that if Hit was allowed to kill in the T.O.P that he could potentially kill Jiren? If so that's a ridiculous statement. I mean Jiren literally caught hits attack and crushed it.

    Jiren was moving the entire time he was in hits time cage albeit slowly and this is a very suppressed Jiren. And how isn't that his strongest technique?

    How would Vegeta no have access to a rage boost in a normal fight? He's done it before.

    Toppo was still KO'ed while vegeta wasn't. It's pretty obvious who's stronger.

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    @standardized:

    Hit only managed to tag Jiren once their entire fight. So yeah he got destroyed.

    Whether one got 'destroyed' or not depends on how long he lasted in a fight, not how many hits he got in. If Jiren easily brought Hit down in a few moves then yeah, I'd agree. Unfortunately, he didn't. Hit blocking and dodging Jiren's moves is proof that he is capable of contending.

    And time skip is irrelevant if the opponent has a higher power.

    It's only irrelevant if the opponent has knowledge on how to counter Time Skip.

    In the U6 Arc SSB Vegeta is stronger than Hit yet he got completely destroyed. Yet SSB Goku managed to contend. It's clear that power isn't the answer to Time Skip.

    Are you really trying to say that if Hit was allowed to kill in the T.O.P that he could potentially kill Jiren? If so that's a ridiculous statement.

    Well, yeah. He very likely could. Jiren is no more than a mortal like Goku. SSB Goku fared no better than a normal human against his heart stopping attack.

    Unless, of course, you can provide evidence that Jiren has healing or regeneration or self resurrection abilities. Otherwise, it's very likely that Jiren would suffer at least collateral damage from that.

    I mean Jiren literally caught hits attack and crushed it.

    You mean after Hit gambled to eliminate Jiren when he realized that he couldn't hold Jiren still for the remainder of the Tournament? I'd agree that Hit can't hold Jiren for that duration but he definitely could have held Jiren for longer had he chosen not to take that risk.

    Jiren was moving the entire time he was in hits time cage albeit slowly and this is a very suppressed Jiren.

    False. Jiren was frozen for a while. For a while he couldn't even move his fingers.

    And how isn't that his strongest technique?

    Already addressed.

    How would Vegeta no have access to a rage boost in a normal fight? He's done it before.

    Because Vegeta's boost came from his disgust towards Toppo's principles? You think his disgust towards Toppo can amplify him when fighting another person, such as Goku?

    It's common sense.

    Toppo was still KO'ed while vegeta wasn't. It's pretty obvious who's stronger.

    Instead of arguing by insistence on a debunked argument, how about bringing something that isn't addressed to prove that Vegeta is stronger? Because you're relying on logical fallacy at this point.

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    #25  Edited By Jatom22

    1)MUI Goku

    2)Jiren

    everyone else

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    @standardized:

    Hit only managed to tag Jiren once their entire fight. So yeah he got destroyed.

    Whether one got 'destroyed' or not depends on how long he lasted in a fight, not how many hits he got in. If Jiren easily brought Hit down in a few moves then yeah, I'd agree. Unfortunately, he didn't. Hit blocking and dodging Jiren's moves is proof that he is capable of contending.

    And time skip is irrelevant if the opponent has a higher power.

    It's only irrelevant if the opponent has knowledge on how to counter Time Skip.

    In the U6 Arc SSB Vegeta is stronger than Hit yet he got completely destroyed. Yet SSB Goku managed to contend. It's clear that power isn't the answer to Time Skip.

    Are you really trying to say that if Hit was allowed to kill in the T.O.P that he could potentially kill Jiren? If so that's a ridiculous statement.

    Well, yeah. He very likely could. Jiren is no more than a mortal like Goku. SSB Goku fared no better than a normal human against his heart stopping attack.

    Unless, of course, you can provide evidence that Jiren has healing or regeneration or self resurrection abilities. Otherwise, it's very likely that Jiren would suffer at least collateral damage from that.

    I mean Jiren literally caught hits attack and crushed it.

    You mean after Hit gambled to eliminate Jiren when he realized that he couldn't hold Jiren still for the remainder of the Tournament? I'd agree that Hit can't hold Jiren for that duration but he definitely could have held Jiren for longer had he chosen not to take that risk.

    Jiren was moving the entire time he was in hits time cage albeit slowly and this is a very suppressed Jiren.

    False. Jiren was frozen for a while. For a while he couldn't even move his fingers.

    And how isn't that his strongest technique?

    Already addressed.

    How would Vegeta no have access to a rage boost in a normal fight? He's done it before.

    Because Vegeta's boost came from his disgust towards Toppo's principles? You think his disgust towards Toppo can amplify him when fighting another person, such as Goku?

    It's common sense.

    Toppo was still KO'ed while vegeta wasn't. It's pretty obvious who's stronger.

    Instead of arguing by insistence on a debunked argument, how about bringing something that isn't addressed to prove that Vegeta is stronger? Because you're relying on logical fallacy at this point.

    He's not capable of contending though. Jiren simply outclasses him in everything.

    Well we literally see Jiren reacting to Hits time skip and it was never stated Jiren had knowledge on it.

    Hit could never kill Jiren he is simply outclassed like I previously said. Hit's time skip is useless, His time cage is useless and you fail to realize that Jiren also wasn't trying to kill hit.

    Hit literally states "that the moment I couldn't end it in one hit my loss was confirmed"

    Vegeta rage boost came from him about to let bulma, trunks, bulla, and cabba down and break his "promise"

    You didn't debunk anything tho. Toppo was ko'ed while vegeta was still up is that not a win?

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    #27  Edited By noobsnowman

    @standardized:

    He's not capable of contending though. Jiren simply outclasses him in everything.

    Him blocking and evading Jiren's assault is the literal evidence to prove that he can contend. What more evidence do you need?

    Just because Jiren outclasses him in everything doesn't prove that Hit cannot contend. For all we know Jiren might only be slightly better, still dosen't change that he's better in everything but it certainly shows that his opponent can not only contend, but give him hell.

    Well we literally see Jiren reacting to Hits time skip and it was never stated Jiren had knowledge on it.

    Hit was famed universally for his expertise, that's why U11 initially picked Dyspo to face him and it's reasonable to deduce that by extension, Jiren has knowledge of it.

    Hit could never kill Jiren he is simply outclassed like I previously said.

    He's outclassed when restrained, and battle damaged.

    Unrestrained and completely fresh? It's debatable.

    Again, kindly address whether Jiren has any healing or regenerative abilities, because if he dosen't, then just concede that Hit's unrestrained killing abilities would murder him like any mortal being. Power isn't a factor when resisting a heart striking attack.

    Hit's time skip is useless,

    It certainly isn't if Hit managed to adapt and Time Skip to land a point blank attack on him.

    Besides, Jiren has precognitive abilities, he was able to perceive the movements of the blocks and determined that it wouldn't hit him. That is why he was able to counter Time Skip. Not his power.

    you fail to realize that Jiren also wasn't trying to kill hit.

    So? Jiren dosen't become stronger if he's determined to kill. When Jiren tried to kill the spectators during his fight with MUI Goku, his attack didn't get any more potent.

    This rule only applies to Hit.

    Hit literally states "that the moment I couldn't end it in one hit my loss was confirmed"

    And what does it prove, exactly? It only shows that his gamble failed and that's all.

    Vegeta rage boost came from him about to let bulma, trunks, bulla, and cabba down and break his "promise"

    Yes, and that boost would totally help him in any situation in battle who's name is not God of Destruction Toppo, when U6 isn't destroyed and when his universe is not at stake.

    Oh wait.

    You didn't debunk anything tho. Toppo was ko'ed while vegeta was still up is that not a win?

    Read this again:

    Vegeta was drained and was clearly severely wounded afterwards. Toppo was only knocked out for a few seconds before regaining composure and appeared to be in a better shape than Vegeta on the bench.

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    @standardized:

    He's not capable of contending though. Jiren simply outclasses him in everything.

    Him blocking and evading Jiren's assault is the literal evidence to prove that he can contend. What more evidence do you need?

    Just because Jiren outclasses him in everything doesn't prove that Hit cannot contend. For all we know Jiren might only be slightly better, still dosen't change that he's better in everything but it certainly shows that his opponent can not only contend, but give him hell.

    Well we literally see Jiren reacting to Hits time skip and it was never stated Jiren had knowledge on it.

    Hit was famed universally for his expertise, that's why U11 initially picked Dyspo to face him and it's reasonable to deduce that by extension, Jiren has knowledge of it.

    Hit could never kill Jiren he is simply outclassed like I previously said.

    He's outclassed when restrained, and battle damaged.

    Unrestrained and completely fresh? It's debatable.

    Again, kindly address whether Jiren has any healing or regenerative abilities, because if he dosen't, then just concede that Hit's unrestrained killing abilities would murder him like any mortal being. Power isn't a factor when resisting a heart striking attack.

    Hit's time skip is useless,

    It certainly isn't if Hit managed to adapt and Time Skip to land a point blank attack on him.

    Besides, Jiren has precognitive abilities, he was able to perceive the movements of the blocks and determined that it wouldn't hit him. That is why he was able to counter Time Skip. Not his power.

    you fail to realize that Jiren also wasn't trying to kill hit.

    So? Jiren dosen't become stronger if he's determined to kill. When Jiren tried to kill the spectators during his fight with MUI Goku, his attack didn't get any more potent.

    This rule only applies to Hit.

    Hit literally states "that the moment I couldn't end it in one hit my loss was confirmed"

    And what does it prove, exactly? It only shows that his gamble failed and that's all.

    Vegeta rage boost came from him about to let bulma, trunks, bulla, and cabba down and break his "promise"

    Yes, and that boost would totally help him in any situation in battle who's name is not God of Destruction Toppo, when U6 isn't destroyed and when his universe is not at stake.

    Oh wait.

    You didn't debunk anything tho. Toppo was ko'ed while vegeta was still up is that not a win?

    Read this again:

    Vegeta was drained and was clearly severely wounded afterwards. Toppo was only knocked out for a few seconds before regaining composure and appeared to be in a better shape than Vegeta on the bench.

    Dude, how is landing one punch and dodging a few contending? And this is also a MASSIVELY SUPPRESSED JIREN.

    "For all we know Jiren is slightly better" How is Jiren slightly better than hit? His feats are so much more impressive.

    By extension then Toppo also knows what Hits time skip is. Vegeta already knows what it is.

    Time skip is irrelevant if your opponent has a higher power as I previously said.

    So vegeta during his fight can't think about bulma, trunks and bulla? This really doesn't matter tbh. Vegeta doesn't need the rage amp to destroy hit.

    Vegeta was still standing and taking hits from Jiren.

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    #29  Edited By noobsnowman

    @standardized:

    Dude, how is landing one punch and dodging a few contending? And this is also a MASSIVELY SUPPRESSED JIREN.

    "For all we know Jiren is slightly better" How is Jiren slightly better than hit? His feats are so much more impressive.

    Based on what was Jiren suppressed, let alone massively?

    Or is it a fan statement that was taken out of a garbage can?

    By extension then Toppo also knows what Hits time skip is. Vegeta already knows what it is.

    I don't think it helped Vegeta when he fought Hit during the U6 Arc.

    Time skip is irrelevant if your opponent has a higher power as I previously said.

    I like how these 2 arguments completely flew through your head when you replied in your post:

    1. Jiren has precognitive abilities, he was able to perceive the movements of the blocks and determined that it wouldn't hit him. That is why he was able to counter Time Skip. Not his power.

    2. In the U6 Arc SSB Vegeta is stronger than Hit yet he got completely destroyed. Yet SSB Goku managed to contend. It's clear that power isn't the answer to Time Skip.

    And claimed that power counters Time Skip without even bothering to address either of these two posts. Kindly take your head out of your ass and address them please. It's getting annoying that I'm bringing points that you're not bothering to address and pretended that it wasn't there.

    Vegeta doesn't need the rage amp to destroy hit.

    Hit destroys Vegeta because Vegeta dosen't know how to counter Time Skip. The real question is whether Vegeta can last over 5 seconds before getting killed.

    Just because he knows the ability dosen't mean he knows how to counter it.

    Vegeta was still standing and taking hits from Jiren.

    So? How does it change the fact that Toppo appeared in better shape than him on the bench without eating a Senzu bean?

    Also, you still haven't answered this question:

    Again, kindly address whether Jiren has any healing or regenerative abilities, because if he dosen't, then just concede that Hit's unrestrained killing abilities would murder him like any mortal being. Power isn't a factor when resisting a heart striking attack.

    If you fail to reply to this in your next post, if you ever choose to decide to, I'd take it as a concession from you that Hit can murder Jiren with his Flat Fist Crush if he's unrestricted, whether you acknowledge it or not.

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    Assuming all at their peaks:

    Tier 1:

    1. Goku

    2. Jiren

    Tier 1.5:

    3. Hit

    Tier 2:

    4. Goku Black

    5. Toppo

    6. Vegeta

    Tier 3:

    8. Frieza

    9. Android 17

    10. Gohan

    Didn't factor Kefla and Vegito because OP says no fusions.

    Hit way too high. He's very skilled mind you, but if we're talking power he'd be in tier three from what I see of your list.

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    #33  Edited By Gaoron

    1.1. MUI Goku (rage amped)

    1.2 Jiren (rage amped)

    1.3 MUI Goku

    1.4 Standard Jiren

    1.5 UI Omen Goku

    2.1 LSS2 Kefla

    2.2 SSB2 Vegeta (rage amped)

    2.3 GoD Toppo

    2.4 Goku = Vegeta (SSBKKx20/SSB2)

    2.5 LSS Kelfa (manga) = Mystic Gohan (manga)

    2.6 Anilaza (anime)

    3.1 LSS Kale (manga)

    3.2 Golden Frieza = Goku SSB = Vegeta SSB = Toppo

    3.3 Hit

    3.4 Mystic Gohan (anime) = #17 (anime)

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    1. Jiren

    2. Goku

    3. Vegeta

    4. Toppo

    5. Hit

    6. Frieza

    7. Dyspo

    8. 17

    9. Gohan

    10. Kale

    Top 5 mortals in the known universe so far: Jiren, Goku, Vegeta, Toppo, and Hit

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    #35  Edited By noobsnowman

    @LeonardoTMNT: I disagree. If we are talking about just pure power, he should be in Tier 2 given his ability to freeze Jiren in the Time Cage for a good amount of time. His hax, adaptation and resourcefulness is what puts him even higher.

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    Not counting any fusions?

    1. Goku

    2. Jiren

    3. Vegeta

    4. Toppo

    5. Hit

    6. Frieza

    7. 17

    8. Gohan

    9. Kale

    10. Dyspo

    I put Dyspo lower than I saw most other people because he couldn’t even overpower Super Saiyan God Goku, Super Saiyan Blue Goku, Hit, Maji Kayo, Golden Frieza, or Gohan. All he could do is outspeed them except for Maji Kayo who he only escaped once he’d became distracted by Jiren. So talking a power based tier, he’s definitely below characters that can actually fight Super Saiyan God Goku or higher.

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    @LeonardoTMNT: I disagree. If we are talking about just pure power, he should be in Tier 2 given his ability to freeze Jiren in the Time Cage for a good amount of time. His hax, adaptation and resourcefulness is what puts him even higher.

    Hit is is the most skilled hands down, only Goku comes close to him in that department. That's why Hit is so dangerous, techniques and skill.

    But if we're talking straight power, he's actually down the ladder quite a bit. Definitely under Golden Frieza, arguably under Android 17 as well. I'd have him a tier just over Gohan.

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    @cromulor said:

    Not counting any fusions?

    1. Goku

    2. Jiren

    3. Vegeta

    4. Toppo

    5. Hit

    6. Frieza

    7. 17

    8. Gohan

    9. Kale

    10. Dyspo

    I put Dyspo lower than I saw most other people because he couldn’t even overpower Super Saiyan God Goku, Super Saiyan Blue Goku, Hit, Maji Kayo, Golden Frieza, or Gohan. All he could do is outspeed them except for Maji Kayo who he only escaped once he’d became distracted by Jiren. So talking a power based tier, he’s definitely below characters that can actually fight Super Saiyan God Goku or higher.

    I agree completely with you about Dyspo. When his speed was put in check Gohan gave him the work.

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    #39  Edited By noobsnowman

    @LeonardoTMNT: I just put forth my case to why even in power, Hit is at least stronger than SSB. I highly doubt Golden Frieza's telekinesis can hold Jiren for nearly as long as Hit's Time Cage can.

    What is your counter interpretation to his Time Cage feat?

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