What is his attack potency level at?

Angels >= MUI > Gods of destruction soooo...

YES

Depends on feats.

Why is everyone so obsessed with what DB characters can destroy, lol.

@raxxx: wrong, wrong, wrong. Beerus > saiyans, no mather how strong they get, deal with it.

No, he can't. unless he becomes a God of Destruction. He still lacks the Hakai energy to do so.

Not sure. We don't know how he compares to 100% Beerus and to be conservative, Beerus vs Champa can destroy Universes 6 & 7 as it was said. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It would be conservative to say you would have to be at least strong as Beerus and Champa to destroy a universe.

wtf are u talking about?? the only fact is Beerus have unmastered UI (Whis said it a few times) and if Goku reach MUI it's simple, Goku MUI > Beerus. Hakai is shit compared to MUI because MUI is Angel's level.

why do some people always post things in the wrong forum.couldn't this be posted in the goku forum?

Not the place to ask man, people will totally ignore scaling and say he is planetary at most. Some people will say that no one in the TOP, is beyond Stadium level because they can't even destroy the small fighting stage. So when you're asking this, you're asking for trouble, there are plenty Dragon Ball youtubers that come very close to getting a correct encapsulation of Goku's abilities, go watch them.

No.

It's like a perma-auto outcome right? hmmm interesting, haha love how this argument turns so many people mad, it's just so funny.

Yes.

lol How in the hell can anybody answer that if MUI didn't even make an appearance yet? If he is at God/Blue/UI lvl then no.

Top tiers been universal

Jiren is now confirmed to be the strongest foe in DB history in 129 spoilers which means he is even stronger than AstraL Zamasu who became space itself and was leaking into other timelines followed by Shin's statement and Goku would likely defeat Jiren so I would say yes.

No, lol. He’s not even planetary.

proof either way it can be hyperbole..like remember when burter says he is the fastest or when the time frieza was said to be the strongest

It's storyboard, not character's own statement. Not a hyperbole.

Besides Frieza was confirmed to be the strongest up until other villains showed up which also means Jiren is strongest until later Villain come up which also means Jiren>Astral Zamasu (Who is embodiment of Universe itself)

Yet another retarded "Can X DBS character destroy a universe" thread. Even base Goku can.

Don't know if that makes Beerus weaker tho. I still believe Goku is stronger with MUI. But Beerus never really even went over 50 percent. He probably used 20-30 percent to overpower Goku.

Nope.

I don't know which are more stupid. People who say Goku is not planetary or people who say base Goku can destroy universe lol

@thedeathstar: Doesn't matter he never fought zamasu 1v1 so we can never be sure

Except for the fact that both Storyboard and Supreme Kai Shin who was present when Astral Zamasu thing happened said Jiren is the strongest they ever faced.

Yes

He's confirmed to be stronger than Gods of Destruction

@thedeathstar: this still proves nothing

Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku is utterly featless and hasn't even appeared yet, wait until the episode.

Can someone pleas explain to me How the mastery of self movement gives the user more destructive power?

isn't this just a fighting technique? makes no fkin sense

Also, because this form isn't unique to a saiyan and is attainable by anyone does that mean if someone like krillin attains ultra instinct, they automatically become a universe buster?

@yeimsick: seems legit hh

It took Zeno to take out Merged Zamasu. Clearly the same won't be needed for Jiren. Even as strong as Goku and Vegeta currently are, I don't think there's a thing they could have really done against Zamasu in his final form.

@yeimsick: Jiren is shown having a hard time with Goku's destruction powers. So clearly they get a boost in power. Clearly he blinked way final flash and a spirit bomb and power through hax like 17's powers. But now is having hard time with Goku's new moves and clearly had to put power to stop a kamehameha in preview.

@gokuandsuperman: That doesn't answer my question but thanks for the reply.

Goku can't destroy a universe nor would it ever make sense for him to do so.

No but DB fans are going to ignore how the Shockwaves were destroying the Universe in the first place. As well as how the Earth which was dirsctely under them was completely fine.

@emanresu_20: Beeru stopped a attack that was gonna destroy a universe and plus clearly he is universal. Plus Whis explained why the Earth wasn't being impacted. Both Goku and Beerus were causing collusions of their fist that was gonna destroy the universe. If Goku never fix the issue in time, then universe would of been over. Their wouldn't been any shockwaves without the clash the fists. So fists clashing were causing the issue. Called me DB tard all you want, but clearly no punches=no shockwaves.

I'm not sure why the show itself would even imply he is,if he isn't.....

@gokuandsuperman:

The Earth wasn’t impacted because the shockwaves grew stronger the further away from the epicenter. The closer you get to the punches the weaker the power would be. So unless you are standing in another solar system you should be fine unless pinched directley.

I’m also inclined to say that Beerus was the primary reason for the destruction. Perhaps his Hakai energy was amplified by the fight which atomized far away planets.

I feel like destroying the universe is both overestimated and underestimated in DBS debates. Destroying a universe isn't just destroying all the galaxies, it's destroying a whole dimensional plane. Even if you say UI goku can destroy every galaxy in the universe with an attack, which already means goku can make an explosion stretching across billions of billions of lightyears bare minimum, he would still need to destroy the rest of the space, specially since DB universe > real life universe. So people def underestimate the power required to destroy a universe, but they also overestimate it. Goku and Beerus clashing were capable of shaking the whole universe (2x ours) with simple punches. Unless your saying beerus was doing the large majority of the work (like, 99.999999% of the damage) goku would have to be putting out galaxy level attacks, and at one point he even stalemated Beerus' power, showing Goku could put out, at least, multi galactic level forces in his new God form, but let's lowball and say it's galaxy level. By my calcs, Healthy Kefla fight Base goku should be 153x stronger than his BOG SSG level. Ultra instinct is at least hundreds of thousands of times stronger than Base Goku. It really depends on how you view SSG multiplier.

So maybe. I'd say yes. I think unmastered UI can do it.

Broly in his base destroyed a galaxy and he has 3 transformations above this.

This has been confirmed a thousand times already. With the universe shaking punches, Jiren holding back power shaking the world of void, Beerus and Champa power nearly destroying the universes, Toppo's power affecting the world of void and Vegeta beating him. Kefla stating she can destroy a universe.. There is too much to go against it.

By wank, speculation, assumption, and by false feats...then yes.

This whole controversy of universe busting is ridiculous and pointless, there is too much inconsistency.

Bringing up old, outdated cases (such as Gouk-Beerus collision feat back b.o.g arc) holds no water. Since that feat was never again re-enacted. And Goku has gotten stronger since. Thus, rendering this feat inconsistent. "Holding back and ki control" at this point is inexcusable and is a cop-out. As for someone whose is alleged universal+ would have no trouble against Black, Zamasu, (and their fusion), U6 fighters (during the tournament of destroyers), and the T.o. P contestants (whom around 90% are fodders, except for a few top and god-tiers). Most of which he would easily brush them side.

@sf3gamer: You sound abit angry. I get it that DB characters are getting too strong and all the downplayers have to result to downplaying anything DB does to protect their characters. Tell me that Angels, Grand Priest, Beerus, all Z warriors can sense or feel power, and top tiers don't know anything about power. But a random Forumer user name gamer knows that they are bullshitting somehow. Clearly the writers aren't gonna spoon feed your as bro. The truth these writers aren't consistent. A example is super buff ponytail alien who can blink universes, but yet never shows the feats again and shows planet levels attacks. That's basically DBS writing. Don't tell me that Goku can tank Frieza's lasers easily in Namek saga, then gets rekt by one in his base which is way stronger. Or the fact that Frieza try planet level attack and Toppo threw a booger at it not screams inconsistent. Seeing that fact that Beerus under 1 percent of his power can tap a planet to destruction. But no that's a outliner because Beerus never shows that feat again. Just using what you said about claims in your post. I agree with some parts what you said, but rest was kinda downplaying and BS that characters are dumbasses and are equals in terms of knowledge of power against supreme Kai.

@gokuandsuperman: Nah, I'm not angry. Very seldom do I comment. I just wanted to get that I out. I come here much.

"Tell me that Angels, Grand Priest, Beerus, all Z warriors can sense or feel power, and top tiers don't know anything about power"

Yep.

"But a random Forumer user name gamer knows that they are ********** somehow. Clearly the writers aren't gonna spoon feed your as bro. The truth these writers aren't consistent. A example is super buff ponytail alien who can blink universes, but yet never shows the feats again and shows planet levels attacks. That's basically DBS writing.

Yep, pretty much. Due to inconsistent writing as such. Controversy such as these is sparked.

"Seeing that fact that Beerus under 1 percent of his power can tap a planet to destruction. But no that's a outliner because Beerus never shows that feat again."

I'm not saying that.

"but rest was kinda downplaying and BS that characters are ********* and are equals in terms of knowledge of power against supreme Kai."

Who's Rest?

He could do that in the BOG saga.

Goku hasn't done anything to suggest he can destroy a star. what is this?

lets wait and see what he can do. I doubt it though. universe busting is far from their usual working level.