@nathaniel_christopher said:
@orangebat said:
Quick question: Why is marriage and settling down considered "a happy ending"?
Modern marriage in real life certainly isn't, it's mostly inconvenient hell. It was hell for all of Dick Grayson's team mates. And what are we gonna end up with? Clark and Lois, where Lois bitches at Clark for every minor thing? Or Reed and Sue, where they barely behave like husband and wife half the time? Or Peter and Mary Jane, which is just 90% MJ fretting about where he's been and what happened to him?
Maybe Dickie just doesn't want all that hassle.
Disagree with this, in regards to Wally West. His marriage with Linda Park was generally portrayed as a happy one. They had hard times, such as the death of their child, an incident which would understandably put strain on any marriage, but the marriage was definitely displayed as far more good than bad for the two of them. I'd actually say they were one of the best marriages we've ever seen in comics. Donna Troy, however, i'd completely agree with. That was probably a bad idea from the start, seeing as Donna was like 18 and he was a professor at the school she was teaching at.
Donna Troy and Terry Long's marriage was hilariously awful. Terry Long already came off as a creepy old man which was bad enough, but then you realize that he is Marv Wolfman's self-insert character and it just becomes 100 times the "NOPE!" factor.
@orangebat said:
@gospel_truth said:
I noticed that out of all original Titans, only Dick and Lilith never truly settled down. The others all got married at least once. Obviously Dick almost got there, first with Kory and then with Babs and obviously, if he ever is to settle down it's most likely one of those two (as he has with both in different earths).
Honestly, with all that has happened pre-N52, I'd say both Kory and Babs deserve better (don't hate me for saying that, I personally ship Dickkory) because sticking to a guy who can't seem to settle down for so long is just not worth it especially for two amazing characters as them. But with the new timeline lots of things didn't happen (did Starfire even ever join the Teen Titans? How did she have a relationship with Dick when the original Teen Titan members couldn't even remember a team as theirs ever existed?) so I guess it gives space for them to rebuild everyone's future a bit and maybe this time, Dick will receive his happily ever after.
I really wish he would get one, and won't have to live the way Bruce has been. I just hope they'll do that without making characters revolve solely around a relationship (really hated how they made it seem like Kory is unable to move on while Dick had already with multiple people pre-N52).
Quick question: Why is marriage and settling down considered "a happy ending"?
Modern marriage in real life certainly isn't, it's mostly inconvenient hell. It was hell for all of Dick Grayson's team mates. And what are we gonna end up with? Clark and Lois, where Lois bitches at Clark for every minor thing? Or Reed and Sue, where they barely behave like husband and wife half the time? Or Peter and Mary Jane, which is just 90% MJ fretting about where he's been and what happened to him?
Maybe Dickie just doesn't want all that hassle.
In real life, marriage doesn't have to be inconvenient hell, if the husband and wife are mature, committed, and actually in love with each other. Comic marriages are often portrayed as problematic because a) real marriages have problems, but they can be worked through with love and commitment, but b) many writers feel it ages their characters or limits their marketing.
Btw, I think the examples of Clark & Lois and Peter & MJ are a tad exaggerated. Sure, Lois and MJ both worry (because who wouldn't?), but they also support their husbands because they love them.
Well, that sure explains why divorce statistics are through the roof, and why less and less people are wanting to get married. When you realize that it's really just an institution designed to provide an optimum environment to raise kids, and raising kids is rough business, marriage is really rather pointless for Dick, unless you want him to have kids.
I wish Clark/Lois was exaggerated, but almost 70% of the Pre-Flashpoint Superman period was nothing but Lois being an absolutely horrible wife to Clark. Peter/Mary Jane is somewhat exaggerated, but MJ's character did take a rather sudden 180 once she and Peter got married.
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