New 52 Dick Grayson Respect Thread

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#1 Edited by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

So, I noticed the Respect Thread was gone on here for some reason when I was going to add something to it. So I've decided that I'll revamp it up! This time, being much more specific then before! I hope you enjoy this! If you find me missing something, post the feat and I'll add it. Well...here it is!

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DC's Official Description of his Abilities. (DC Comics Website)
DC's Official Description of his Abilities. (DC Comics Website)

RESPECT

While this isn't even a feat really, this is a RESPECT THREAD. If Maxwell Lord considering Grayson such a pain him dying is something considerable to him (he did call him a Rook though) doesn't showforth some respect cred, I don't know what does. (Grayson 19)
While this isn't even a feat really, this is a RESPECT THREAD. If Maxwell Lord considering Grayson such a pain him dying is something considerable to him (he did call him a Rook though) doesn't showforth some respect cred, I don't know what does. (Grayson 19)

Speed

Fast enough to sneak on Batgirl....which piss her off, apparently. (Batgirl 3)
Fast enough to sneak on Batgirl....which piss her off, apparently. (Batgirl 3)
Catches knife in mid-air. (Detective Comics 36)
Catches knife in mid-air. (Detective Comics 36)
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Saves people before a Helicopter crashes. (Nightwing 19)
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Grayson deflects a Knife throw with his foot from the Midnighter before proceeding to take out 2 assassins part of the Fist of Cain. (Grayson 7)
Dick is fast enough to at least dodge some of Garth's attack and go for a counterattack, though the former is faster then the latter and Dick is barely keeping up, with him remarking on his speed. (Titans Hunt 1)
Dick is fast enough to at least dodge some of Garth's attack and go for a counterattack, though the former is faster then the latter and Dick is barely keeping up, with him remarking on his speed. (Titans Hunt 1)

Endurance

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Survives with minimal water and food for 10 days. (Grayson 5)
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Despite being injured, he goes on to fight the Talon, William Cobb. (Nightwing 8-9)
Was able to endure a attack from Paragon's Plasma cutter and kept fighting, eventually, defeating him. (Nightwing 12)
Was able to endure a attack from Paragon's Plasma cutter and kept fighting, eventually, defeating him. (Nightwing 12)
Resisted the Mind Control temptation of the Paragon Brain, in which the part is based off of Martial Manhunter's mental and telepathic abilities. (Grayson 7)
Resisted the Mind Control temptation of the Paragon Brain, in which the part is based off of Martial Manhunter's mental and telepathic abilities. (Grayson 7)
Dick is able to resist Paragon's mind attack, an attack that instead downs Agent 1, Spyral's top field agent. (Grayson 8)
Dick is able to resist Paragon's mind attack, an attack that instead downs Agent 1, Spyral's top field agent. (Grayson 8)
Takes a hit from Garth and isn't done after one hit, though Dick does comment he has enough strength to tear him apart and that he didn't finish the job because he didn't
Takes a hit from Garth and isn't done after one hit, though Dick does comment he has enough strength to tear him apart and that he didn't finish the job because he didn't "matter enough" to him. (Titans Hunt 1)

Strength

Able to use acrobatics and lift a obese, grown man. (Grayson 1)
Able to use acrobatics and lift a obese, grown man. (Grayson 1)
Snaps the knee tendon of a Talon (Nightwing 8)
Snaps the knee tendon of a Talon (Nightwing 8)
Rips car windshield off. (Nightwing 2)
Rips car windshield off. (Nightwing 2)
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Causes pain to a giant demon [Archeron] various times. (Nightwing 5)
Strong enough to draw a little blood from Midnighter and phaze him, a individual who's implants gives him enhanced stats including durability. (Grayson 5)
Strong enough to draw a little blood from Midnighter and phaze him, a individual who's implants gives him enhanced stats including durability. (Grayson 5)
Carries a Talon and kicks down a door. (Nightwing 8)
Carries a Talon and kicks down a door. (Nightwing 8)
One-shots The Tiger, who is Spyral's top agent and the best spy in the DCU currently. Under suspicion for reasons I won't spoil since the context doesn't matter all too much, Dick is ordered to separate from him. This is how he carries out the order. (Grayson 9)
One-shots The Tiger, who is Spyral's top agent and the best spy in the DCU currently. Under suspicion for reasons I won't spoil since the context doesn't matter all too much, Dick is ordered to separate from him. This is how he carries out the order. (Grayson 9)

Agility

Jumps down onto a Speeding Train. (Nightwing #1)
Jumps down onto a Speeding Train. (Nightwing #1)
Dodges bullets from close range from Zane, who's a skilled assassin., with the use of his agility. Even more so, did so despite being in pain from his mental attacks. (Nightwing 3)
Dodges bullets from close range from Zane, who's a skilled assassin., with the use of his agility. Even more so, did so despite being in pain from his mental attacks. (Nightwing 3)
Dodges a shotgun blast at close-range. (Batgirl 21)
Dodges a shotgun blast at close-range. (Batgirl 21)
Dodges gunshots from CPD (Nightwing 19)
Dodges gunshots from CPD (Nightwing 19)

Intelligence

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Displays scientific knowledge as well as knowledge of Gotham (Nightwing 7)
Built his Robin suit out of spare Bat-suits. (Nightwing 0)
Built his Robin suit out of spare Bat-suits. (Nightwing 0)
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Stopping Midnighter, Dick uses his "Spy Science" Detective skills to examine the bodies of people affected by a currently unknown tech made from God's Garden with intention to "Reverse the Gene Therapy". The tech treats people with reprogram Martian cells, minicking Vamipirism since God Garden's tech is inspired from folklore. Though he fails due to it activating, he was able to ping the nano signature (Sort of suggest these "Martial cells" are robotic). (Midnighter 4)

Tactical Ability

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Defeats Zane by turning his own power against him with his domino masks, inverting the signal (Nightwing 3)
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Has knowledge on the Justice League's weakness and abilities to the point he even instructs Agent 1 on how to counter and/or avoid the attacks. (Grayson 8)
Is knowledgeable in lethal forms of Combat. (Batman and Robin Eternal 1)
Is knowledgeable in lethal forms of Combat. (Batman and Robin Eternal 1)
Dick utilizes his body reading ability once again, figuring out his motives and even notes on his
Dick utilizes his body reading ability once again, figuring out his motives and even notes on his "touch" when he utilizes his Telepathy to give him an advantage, something in which Dick even deduced himself. He also was able to tell to some extent, he was holding back (the fact that Grifter has strong TK in New 52. Though Dick wouldn't know that. He just knows he think he's fighiting some "Dead Kid" who think is just "confused and deluded". (Grayson 17)

Team Work

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Detects and confirms Batgirl's claim of weakness with spectral analysis before defeating him. Shows he has knowledge in science in the least. (Nightwing 4)
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With the help of Agent 1 and the Hadrian girls, Defeats a much weaker Paragon on account of it missing the "Heart" organ, in which would of given it Superman and Wonder Woman's stronger powers. Paragon is basically an Amazo clone in which it's powers come from organs. Dick also displays various things in which will be include in appropriate sections. (Grayson 8)

Skill

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Knows how to play card games. Skill apparently picked up from being in Gotham for a good portion of his life. (Nightwing 20)
Displays proficiency in lockpicking. (Nightwing 21)
Displays proficiency in lockpicking. (Nightwing 21)
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Receives training for "untold months" by Batman, one of DC's Premier Martial Artist and Geniuses. Both Nightwing 0 and Secret Origins 1 also give us a peak of the type of skills he learned from Batman. (Nightwing 0 & Secret Origins 1)
A minor skill here but apparent;y, Richard knows how to draw relatively well as he draws up ideas for his moniker. (Secret Origins 1)
A minor skill here but apparent;y, Richard knows how to draw relatively well as he draws up ideas for his moniker. (Secret Origins 1)
Knows how to utilize nerve pinches. (Grayson 1)
Knows how to utilize nerve pinches. (Grayson 1)
Bounces Gun into a man. (Grayson 1)
Bounces Gun into a man. (Grayson 1)
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Skilfully slips a paralytic agent to a Russian Agent. (Grayson 1)
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Uses his newfound resources and holograms to distract the Justice League, per Bruce's instructions. This is successful. (Batman & Robin 34)
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Remained undetected from Red Robin, Batgirl, and Red Hood. Is only heard by Bruce (Batman & Robin 34)
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Masters the use of Hypnos, an implant in which "hypnotises" others, despite it being something that takes years to do. This is on account Richard knows how to read people. (Note: So far, this ability has affected the likes of Midnigter, in which Richard used to cause him pain [Grayson 1]. This does have it's limitations. Hypnos doesn't work on blind people [Grayson 3] and EMPs turn off this ability [Grayson 5]). (Grayson 1)
Uses Hypnos offensively, in which causes Midnighter some pain. (Grayson 1)
Uses Hypnos offensively, in which causes Midnighter some pain. (Grayson 1)
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Has the Identity Protection implant: In which those who met him forget his faces whenever he leaves. He's also unable to be captured by camera in his face. It seems great enough to affect Midnighter. Even the God Garden is unable to decipher his face. (Note: This is how Grayson gets around now without worry of exposing his identity) (Grayson 1-2)
Was able to read Helena's body and saw the punch she performed coming. (Grayson 2)
Was able to read Helena's body and saw the punch she performed coming. (Grayson 2)
Able to speak Russian. (Detective Comics 36)
Able to speak Russian. (Detective Comics 36)
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Uses his...erm...charming wooing skills to get info. (Detective Comics 36)
Uses his body reading to look into the
Uses his body reading to look into the "weak-link" Very similar to Pre-52 Cassandra Cain's ability. (Note: He always had this ability. DC Bios on him tells he can read body languages so well and attributes to how he gets people so well. However, New 52 merely has provided visualizations as well as more mentioning of this.) (Nightwing 19)
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Possessed the ability to read the body language of others and had impressive fighting skill before even being trained formally. Panels also show it visually. (Nightwing 0)
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Shows skill in swordplay. (Nightwing 8)
Knows the regional accent for
Knows the regional accent for "East Midlands English" in England (Grayson 2)
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Impersonates Batman. Does so well it fools Bane, Ivy, the Batfamily, and even the Joker. The only one who was in on this plan was Bruce himself and Penny-Two (Julia Pennyworth) (Batman 40)
Is a skilled marksman. Good enough to shoot the core of Paragon, deactivating/killing the robotic being in the process. In addition, he reveals he lied about being a terrible marksman. (Grayson 8)
Is a skilled marksman. Good enough to shoot the core of Paragon, deactivating/killing the robotic being in the process. In addition, he reveals he lied about being a terrible marksman. (Grayson 8)
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Dick uses his wooing skills to get a jewl, in which is actually a Kryptonian crystal in which may/should have information of Superman, thus why Spyral wants to take it and keep it away from those who're willing to use it for their neferious means. (Grayson 9)
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Dick displays knowledge in the medical field enough to stop and tend to Harper Row's serious injuries inflicted by Orphan, an assassin. (Batman and Robin Eternal 2)
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Dick manages to steal a necklace with a wedding ring from Barbara after her attempt to flip him over fails. (Batgirl 45)
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Dick uses his "charms" or something to convince Midnighter to assist him. (Grayson 13)
Dick deduces (along with Tim) that Agent 1 was suspicious of him. In addition, he lies and says Tiger is a former sailor to get him off his back, a nice usage of lying. (Grayson 13)
Dick deduces (along with Tim) that Agent 1 was suspicious of him. In addition, he lies and says Tiger is a former sailor to get him off his back, a nice usage of lying. (Grayson 13)
With his body-reading abilities, Dick deduces that Ladytron is a cyborg from a distance. (Grayson 13)
With his body-reading abilities, Dick deduces that Ladytron is a cyborg from a distance. (Grayson 13)
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Dick takes on the majority of the Spyral Agents and with some contributions from Agent 1, he is able to track them down and disrupt a multitude of missions. This shows that he's capable of fighting off some of Spyral's best spies and that he warrants attention from some of the top spies within the DC Universe in a group called the "Syndicate". (Grayon 16)
Reflexes and human speed capable of catching an arrow from one of the skull girls (training from St. Hardian and Matron) and throws it back, destroying the bow. (Grayson 18)
Reflexes and human speed capable of catching an arrow from one of the skull girls (training from St. Hardian and Matron) and throws it back, destroying the bow. (Grayson 18)

Fights

Non-Powered Opponents

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Robin vs Shiva. Loses rather easily though Shiva is more then impressed by his skills. (Nightwing 0)
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Team Batman Inc. engages in fighting slews of the best Assassins in the world. The people Dick fights in particular are: Shrike (Pre-52, was an enemy of his and was skilled and thinks he's NW's arch-nemisis but was beaten multiple times. He was skilled enough to beat Tim Drake Robin), Professor Ojo (A Richard Dragon villain. Not much known on his capability. Smart guy though since he brainwashed Bronze Tiger), and Hooded Hangman (Batman Inc. Vol 2 4)
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Nigthwing vs Shiva. Loses to Shiva. Though he was injured from previous issues and yet, Shiva was still impressed. Not to mention he did better then previously shown in Nightwing 0. (Nightwing 14)
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Short scuffle with Batgirl: Holds his own though wasn't initially looking for a fight and Batgirl manages to cause him more pain. (Batgirl 3)
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Nightwing vs Heretic: Has a scuffle with Heretic in anger of Damian's death. Heretic was skilled enough to beat even Batman. Though whether or not Nightwig lost is unknown, a scan provided showed he was still standing and ran out of the building with Damian's body. (Batman Incorporated 9)
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Nightwing vs Owlman Round 1: Despite being weakened from being tortured and captured, manages to hold his own against Owlman, who's more or less as skilled as Batman per being his couterpart. (Justice League V2 26)
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Nightwing vs Owlman Round 2: In a brief scuffle, despite being weaken, manages to do some damage
Had actually one-shotted Nemesis, a skilled spy Pre-52 and presumbably New 52 If he's Tom Tresser in this continuity. (Grayson 9)
Had actually one-shotted Nemesis, a skilled spy Pre-52 and presumbably New 52 If he's Tom Tresser in this continuity. (Grayson 9)
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Nightwing vs Batman. Nightwing comes out as the victor in this slugfest. (Note: Yes, he did, in fact, beat Bruce. According to Tim Seeley in an interview, he did win. Bruce did not hold back. He explained that Bruce did think he could take him on at full strength. And it is he who gave up and recieved bandages. The Batcave is also partially destroyed. Many attempt to debunct this feat as Batman holding back. He did not.) (Nightwing 30)
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Round 1/3: Saiko vs Nightwing . Saiko is a exceptional MA with Court of Owl's training. Nightwing gains the upperhand in this fight, despite gaining a cracked rib from the fight. There's also the added fact Richard saw him coming with his reflexes. Saiko is the one who escpaes via putting innocent people in danger. (Nightwing #1-2)
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Round 2/3: Saiko vs Nightwing. Nightwing wins by using the enviroment to his advantage. He also displays the skill of using Escrima and dodging and recovering from Saiko's gunfire. (Nightwing #2)
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Round 3/3: Saiko vs Nightwing. Overall, Nightwing is the victor. (Nightwing 6-7)
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Nightwing vs Paragon: Paragon is a weapon specialist who uses plasma cutter blades in which were powerful enough to cut down people to the bone. Due to tight spaces, Nightwing had a harder time but still manages to defeat him. (Nightwing 12)
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Nightwing vs Zsasz: Quickly defeats Zsasz in two hits. (Nightwing 29)
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Agent 37 vs Orphan [David Cain]: Dick fights with David Cain (Orphan in the New 52) and takes him down with struggle. David doesn't look any better either. (Batman & Robin Eternal 14)
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Agent 37 vs Tiger: Rather a set of fights, with Dick ultimately showcasing more intelligence and outwits Tiger once again overall. (Grayson 19)

Powered Opponents

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Round 2: Agent 37 vs Midnighter. With prep time in going over footage of him as a Flying Grayson and Nightwing, the Midnighter gains the upperhand in the fight. Though Dick is shown the resilence necessary to take hits from the Midnighter and even tag him on account he's able to switch his style of fighting. However, he nearly loses and only wins on account the Midnighter manages to steal his hypnos implant and he uses the override "Tsuchigumo" to send a mild shock to the brain, which has been seen able to knock out Dick cold and quickly in earlier issues. It should also be noted that Spyral's tech is advanced to the point even Midnighter cannot clearly read it's abilities and cannot have anticipate the override code being possible. (Grayson 6)
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Grayson vs Enhanced Joker: Does well against a Dionesium Enhanced Joker, the same Joker in which moved at speeds that surprised even Bruce Wayne, was far more agile then he normally is, and was tricky for Batman to land a hit IN THE SAME ISSUE. (Batman 40)
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Round 1: Agent 37 vs Midnighter. Holds his own with Midnighter, despite him having enhancements. He even is impressed with his skills. (Grayson 1)
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Nightwing vs Random Talon: Nightwing suffers some injury but prevails. He also uses deadly force since the Talon is regenerative. (Nightwing 8)
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Nightwing vs Talon (William Cobb): William Cobb is known as the best assassin in the Court of Owls. He's already been shown skilled enough to match and hold his own with Batman. He's a skilled swordsman as well as an expert marksman with knives. Despite fighting him already injured, Nightwing manages to defeat him. (Note: I've seen people debunct this feat too. Yes, he beat Cobb. So much so even Bane commented that that he was defeated by Nightwing so "unceremoniously") (Nightwing 8-9)
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Manages to survive Spinebender's kamikaze attempt on Nightwing. (Nightwing 28)
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Has a short scuffle with Garth and manages to survive for the day, displaying reflexes and skill enough to catch Garth offguard to the point he question what he was. But he lets Dick go since he wasn't important enough and not his target. (Titans Hunt 1)
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Defeats Shox with the use of his head (Nightwing 6)
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Grayson vs Grifter. Dick gains the upper hand as he deduces Grifter's telepathy ability and even intents with his body reading. Comments from Dick do hint that Grifter underestimated Dick to some extent in addition. (Grayson 17)
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Agent 37 & Agent 1 vs Syndicate [Faraday, Bronze Tiger, Gwisin, Keshi, Grifter]: A team battle between Dick and some of the best spies in the world WITH the best spy in the world. Dick holds his own and is capable of fighting with even Bronze Tiger. A step up from fighting someone who's on the same level as Shiva, who embarrassed him in his own series. (Grayson 18) [NOTE: Features both powered and non-powered opponents.]
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Agent 1 & Agent 37 vs Frankenstein: With the use of "Ambiet Tech" from Checkmate & a Freezer, both agents takedown Frankenstein. As a bonus, we see that Dick has some intelligence in planning and understanding what the "Monkthulu" is. (Grayson 17)

Portrayals

This is a new section I thought of making. With the appearance of Dick Grayson in the New 52, some portrayals differ from one another. I will warn that this section is entirely subjective and I urge to make sure you get your own view too If you do not trust what's stated.

(There's no doubt people will not agree with my word on portrayals. Feel free to look through this thread as people will address these portrayals with their opinions. This entire part is unlike any other respect thread...but the purpose is to let others know of some of the background surrounding the writing. Some characters get all kinds of feats and it's not always good writing that makes it legitimate. I love Dick Grayson but he's just as subseptible to exaggeration as he is to being margenalized.)

Solo Series

  • The first New 52 Nightiwng solo series is what I would refer to as a "decent" series in terms of feats and even character portrayal. However, don't expect anything to exemplary. Much like any other stories, there's time when Dick acts stupid, is taken down easily, or has trouble with a situation one would think Nightwing would have little to no issue.
  • The Grayson series has probably the best set of feats to the character in the New 52 (and probably to date) and is a mostly an upgrade from any previous appearances predating the comic book's introduction in the New 52. However, there are some EXAGGERATED feats typical of any solo series that focuses on the strengths and capability of the character. Your mileage will also vary on his technical prowess and some intelligence, although some of it is done intentionally and there's no internal monologues to let you know how Dick is truly feeling. But overall, a lot of his good feats in the New 52 are from this.

Team Series

  • In Titans Hunt, Dick appears in just about every issue. Feat wise, it's a bit so-so. He really doesn't do much in the series and not much of his tactical prowess is really focused so don't expect anything to daring from any feats displayed here. There's also various characterization issues here and his facial expression betray any kind of tactical ability he has.
  • The Titans book spins off from Titans Hunt with the same writer but different artists. There's little information from his portrayal as of right now (6/22/16), although from Titans Hunt, you can assume it'll be similar but nothing is definitive. All that's known is Titans Rebirth #1, which does show a in-character Dick Grayson so there's that.

Crossover/Outside Appearances

  • In Batman & Robin Eternal, I have to say that this is the most wishy-washy set of appearances for the character from characterization to feats. He's not allowed to be as smart or competent since this is a crossover with a more prominent cast with fanbases on their own expecting their character's known skill to carry over fairly. I can safely say everyone who isn't a Harper Row fan gets cheated out of this one way or the other. Despite Dick being a main character, he goes through SOME good periods and the rest is horrid. He has the best out of any batfamily characters NOT named Harper Row but it's really not saying much at all. Whatsoever. Chockful of Batman comparisons and putdowns to elevante new characters, don't expect anything much from this book with feats for Dick...or any character to be frank.
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#2 Edited by redwingx (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

In the recent Grayson issue, Dick manages to take down Midnighter who had prep time.

GG.

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#3 Edited by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@redwingx said:

In the recent Grayson issue, Dick manages to take down Midnighter who had prep time.

GG.

I know. I'l put that down soon.

Edit: Added along with the context so people don't see it as Dick simply beating Midnighter cause herp dep he's skilled enough. There was factors in there.

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#4 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

Dick's ability to read a person's body language, along with his detective skills, is criminaly underused, but awesome to see when it us.

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#5 Posted by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher: In Grayson, they've been using it a lot. But it's not shown in the way it usually is with the "Eyebrows sweating, twitching hand" sort of detective look. But more like "I know he is going to hit me from behind, so imma duck out the way"

Or at least that is what it seems like. That's what they did when Helena tried to punch Dick in Grayson #2

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#6 Posted by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@nathaniel_christopher: In Grayson, they've been using it a lot. But it's not shown in the way it usually is with the "Eyebrows sweating, twitching hand" sort of detective look. But more like "I know he is going to hit me from behind, so imma duck out the way"

Or at least that is what it seems like. That's what they did when Helena tried to punch Dick in Grayson #2

Yeah. It's not visually represented.

Dick's ability to read a person's body language, along with his detective skills, is criminaly underused, but awesome to see when it us.

Agreed. I wish they showcased that more. In New 52, I'm glad artists visualized it. It's actually been there since even before Cassandra Cain (Nightwing Mini showed like the earliest case for me) Pre-52 but it was only like how Nightwingism said and easily forgettable. Also, it's not as "percise" per say to Cass's.

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#7 Posted by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow: The resurfacing of this ability has caused a lot of controversy about "Cassandra being swallowed by Dick in terms of abilities", which went hand-in-hand with the "Dick's perks are being spread around with his other 2 brothers". I really hope when Cass returns (or resurfaces in the present day, as apposed to Batgirl Futures End) she also has this ability and it's like a bonding experience. Probably like a fight where there is no winner since they are just reading each other to death. It'd be funny though, since Cass would probably be younger by a good amount

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#8 Posted by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow: The resurfacing of this ability has caused a lot of controversy about "Cassandra being swallowed by Dick in terms of abilities", which went hand-in-hand with the "Dick's perks are being spread around with his other 2 brothers". I really hope when Cass returns (or resurfaces in the present day, as apposed to Batgirl Futures End) she also has this ability and it's like a bonding experience. Probably like a fight where there is no winner since they are just reading each other to death. It'd be funny though, since Cass would probably be younger by a good amount

It's not really controversy. That's a example of misguided fans who think that Dick would steal qualities from other characters and stems from frustration of their character not existing because she's "too toxic". His current character problem is that he can't keep what gets established as his. He couldn't steal from other characters cause it'll get handed off anyway.

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#9 Posted by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow: For the Grayson #7 preview, the Man Cave (who got the preview) said that Dick Grayson is fighting the Fist of Cain, and that a fan favorite female character is returning. Maybe Grayson is the book that brings back Cassandra Cain?

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#10 Posted by youknowwhattodo (2196 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow: For the Grayson #7 preview, the Man Cave (who got the preview) said that Dick Grayson is fighting the Fist of Cain, and that a fan favorite female character is returning. Maybe Grayson is the book that brings back Cassandra Cain?

Well the statement read like this

Oh oh oh oh, and there’s a guest in this issue that we’re not going to spoil for you, but it may just be the most beloved female character in DC Comics right now! Certainly the most at Man Cave Daily. No, it’s not Granny Goodness, although that guess does imply you’ve looked through some of our browser history that we thought we had deleted. No, this is a completely separate character that we admire for much more rational reasons that we’re not ashamed of.

Doesn't necessarily mean that a fan favorite character is returning to the DCU as much as it is a fan favorite character is a guest in the book. I wouldn't rule out Cassandra Cain but it could also be Babs because when we look beloved female characters in DC right now, three come to mind, Barbara Gordon, Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman and I highly doubt we'll see the latter two in Grayson like ever.

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@youknowwhattodo: If it is any of those 3, I'd be happy and would love the issue more, especially Babs, I miss that interaction and Tim/Tom could do nice stuff with those 2. Though, I don't think it'd be Babs or Wonder Woman, but, like Cass, definitely wouldn't rule them out. I just don't know how they'd be able to be included in the story, especially in an issue that is actually a continuation from the previous one (a first for Grayson) and set during Endgame (for both Babs and Wonder Woman). Harley Quinn is definitely a fan favorite and could fit decently in this spy stuff for an issue, but the earlier problem arises.

It wouldn't be spoiler, she is new and it'd be weird to see her appear. Batwoman isn't really a huge fan favorite. It'd be cool to see Black Canary, but don't know how that'd fit. Mera is building a nice fan-base right now? Hey, if it is supergirl we can actually see some SuperBat family team up, and that'd be pretty kickass, and she is getting her own series, so it's not like she is hated by a large majority.

I think I remember on Twitter, Tom King tweeted out something along the lines of "hate writing a character with powers, and then learning they don't have those powers anymore." So, while it most likely is a character for a later issue, it could be someone who isn't a normal human. (Helps with my Supergirl theory haha)

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#12 Edited by youknowwhattodo (2196 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightwingism said:

@youknowwhattodo: If it is any of those 3, I'd be happy and would love the issue more, especially Babs, I miss that interaction and Tim/Tom could do nice stuff with those 2. Though, I don't think it'd be Babs or Wonder Woman, but, like Cass, definitely wouldn't rule them out. I just don't know how they'd be able to be included in the story, especially in an issue that is actually a continuation from the previous one (a first for Grayson) and set during Endgame (for both Babs and Wonder Woman). Harley Quinn is definitely a fan favorite and could fit decently in this spy stuff for an issue, but the earlier problem arises.

It wouldn't be spoiler, she is new and it'd be weird to see her appear. Batwoman isn't really a huge fan favorite. It'd be cool to see Black Canary, but don't know how that'd fit. Mera is building a nice fan-base right now? Hey, if it is supergirl we can actually see some SuperBat family team up, and that'd be pretty kickass, and she is getting her own series, so it's not like she is hated by a large majority.

I think I remember on Twitter, Tom King tweeted out something along the lines of "hate writing a character with powers, and then learning they don't have those powers anymore." So, while it most likely is a character for a later issue, it could be someone who isn't a normal human. (Helps with my Supergirl theory haha)

We have reached a new level of fail regarding the coverage of Grayson.

Mancavedaily confirmed that they thought Harley would appear from the cover. They also amended the article

idiots

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#13 Posted by mysoulz (871 posts) - - Show Bio

I really wished that Dick still had intellect in software/tech, which is a shame that he has no knowledge in software programming.

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#14 Edited by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@youknowwhattodo: I saw that too. And I instantly thought of this mini-conversation. And I never felt more hurt.

I was so looking forward to some guest stars on Grayson! I wanted Supergirl Grayson Team-Up!

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I really wished that Dick still had intellect in software/tech, which is a shame that he has no knowledge in software programming.

He still has knowledge in it. He programmed his house defenses, lasers trap, in Nightwing #13(?) and he knows how to work the Bat-Computer, which only so many people know how to operate to max capacity.

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#15 Posted by mysoulz (871 posts) - - Show Bio

@youknowwhattodo: I saw that too. And I instantly thought of this mini-conversation. And I never felt more hurt.

I was so looking forward to some guest stars on Grayson! I wanted Supergirl Grayson Team-Up!

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I really wished that Dick still had intellect in software/tech, which is a shame that he has no knowledge in software programming.

He still has knowledge in it. He programmed his house defenses, lasers trap, in Nightwing #13(?) and he knows how to work the Bat-Computer, which only so many people know how to operate to max capacity.

I remember him able to work on the Bat-Computer, but he has to rely on getting information from his new roommate, because Prankster caused his mask to become non functional.

I know what instance you're speaking of about his defenses, but Nightwing didn't state he did this on his own though.

IIRC Dick mentioned he relied on his resources to Tim at one point. But I can't remember which issue it was from.

Hopefully I'm wrong about all of this.

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@mysoulz said:

I really wished that Dick still had intellect in software/tech, which is a shame that he has no knowledge in software programming.

He still should because if he didn't then Batman really picked the wrong person for what looks like an 'Oracle-esque' role.

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@mysoulz said:

I really wished that Dick still had intellect in software/tech, which is a shame that he has no knowledge in software programming.

He still should because if he didn't then Batman really picked the wrong person for what looks like an 'Oracle-esque' role.

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True. I just find it weird that after his suit was hacked, he had to rely on his new roommate to find a way to prevent it from happening again. But maybe I'm overreacting.

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#18 Posted by youknowwhattodo (2196 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysoulz: I think it was more of an attempt to make his supporting cast in Chicago seem useful more than anything else.

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#19 Posted by mysoulz (871 posts) - - Show Bio

@youknowwhattodo said:

@mysoulz: I think it was more of an attempt to make his supporting cast in Chicago seem useful more than anything else.

I guess it could probably be considered inconsistency.

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#21 Posted by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysoulz said:

@youknowwhattodo said:

@mysoulz: I think it was more of an attempt to make his supporting cast in Chicago seem useful more than anything else.

I guess it could probably be considered inconsistency.

Well, wasn't he asking for advice about it? Not to actually fix his suit. That'd kind of give away his secret identity.

I remember what scene you're talking about, and I'll look at if afterwards, but I think it was like "how would you fix it?" and she told him how, and he went on and fixed it himself. So he needed some tech knowledge to do it, and then some to understand what she was saying. And if not, totally inconsistent for sure.

Kyle Higgins wrote a good Nightwing though, so this kind of minor problems isn't that big of a deal

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#22 Posted by mysoulz (871 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysoulz said:

@youknowwhattodo said:

@mysoulz: I think it was more of an attempt to make his supporting cast in Chicago seem useful more than anything else.

I guess it could probably be considered inconsistency.

Well, wasn't he asking for advice about it? Not to actually fix his suit. That'd kind of give away his secret identity.

I remember what scene you're talking about, and I'll look at if afterwards, but I think it was like "how would you fix it?" and she told him how, and he went on and fixed it himself. So he needed some tech knowledge to do it, and then some to understand what she was saying. And if not, totally inconsistent for sure.

Kyle Higgins wrote a good Nightwing though, so this kind of minor problems isn't that big of a deal

That's actually the only scene that I had to scratch my head. So it's not really big of a deal.

Kyle Higgins is a good writer. I list a good amount of positives in @youknowwhattodo's thread.

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#23 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice, but I'm going to make a PM filled with his New 52 feats in chronological (issue releases) order. For those who want it, I can add them.

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#24 Posted by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain_batman_ftw: So, from Issue 1 of Nightwing all the way to Issue 6 of Grayson (as of writing this)

Or are you also including his multiple appearances in other series, most notably Batman

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#25 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightwingism: From Nightwing #1-30, Grayson #1-6 and probably others as well.

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#26 Posted by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain_batman_ftw: That'd be pretty cool to see. There is a good amount of feats in the first issue of Nightwing as is

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#27 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightwingism: I'll create that PM about a week or so, cause I need to finish all the issues from Nightwing's New 52 series, and no, I'm not talking about Grayson, I'm talking about the Nightwing series.

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#28 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio
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Dick showing off the extent to which he's trained to combat the abilities of the Justice League; includes ways to think and fight against Flash, Superman, Martian Manhunter, Cyborg, Green Lantern, and Aquaman.

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#29 Posted by Chimeroid (9268 posts) - - Show Bio

Could you also collect the gear he used so far? There are some pretty cool gadgets in his gauntlets that need to be displayed. I could collect the scans as well, but i am feeling lazy

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#30 Posted by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

Could you also collect the gear he used so far? There are some pretty cool gadgets in his gauntlets that need to be displayed. I could collect the scans as well, but i am feeling lazy

There's a thread that showcases those. But it's lost since it wasn't updated. I guess I can do so laterz. I'll make sure to do his tech as Nightwing and Spyral.

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#31 Posted by mysoulz (871 posts) - - Show Bio

Could you also collect the gear he used so far? There are some pretty cool gadgets in his gauntlets that need to be displayed. I could collect the scans as well, but i am feeling lazy

I've uploaded a few scans of Dick relying on his resources (both pre/new 52) such as explosives, sonics and gas grenades awhile back. But what type of specific gear you're searching for?

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#32 Posted by Chimeroid (9268 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysoulz: His suits has the electroshock feature, he used the hightech mask to change his face, and his nightwing mask has a lot of gadgets in it

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#33 Posted by mysoulz (871 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Ah okay. I'll upload them for you soon.

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#34 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (45774 posts) - - Show Bio

I get that they are fans but the writers of Grayson are going overboard....

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#35 Edited by Slick_Tracy (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Hardly. It goes well with the genre and history. If you want to look at overboard, look at how Scott Lobdell and James Tynion tried to use Jason Todd as a creepy self-insert.

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#36 Posted by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

I get that they are fans but the writers of Grayson are going overboard....

What do you mean?

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#37 Posted by youknowwhattodo (2196 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

I get that they are fans but the writers of Grayson are going overboard....

What do you mean?

I believe he's referring to the events in the Midnighter battle since he was on this forum talking about it for a few days after the issue came out. Maybe it's also about the Paragon battle, but I doubt it, no sane person would criticize writers for having one character beat a feat-less character.

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#38 Posted by nightwingism (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayaaerow said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

I get that they are fans but the writers of Grayson are going overboard....

What do you mean?

I believe he's referring to the events in the Midnighter battle since he was on this forum talking about it for a few days after the issue came out. Maybe it's also about the Paragon battle, but I doubt it, no sane person would criticize writers for having one character beat a feat-less character.

I still hold to my conviction that the Midnighter vs Grayson fight was fair throughout the whole time

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#39 Posted by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry for the long time of not updating. But I got around to it. Took a bit of time since for some reason, not accepting my jpeg images. Now it's uploaded in PNG. Takes time. So enjoy the higher quality images. I got all the stuff from Batman 40 and the Grayson books obviously! Also renamed the thread because he's not just "Nightwing". Dick Grayson is more important then the mantle he puts on. It's just who he is.

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#40 Posted by kiba (3743 posts) - - Show Bio

And now he's Batman in Earth2. Cool

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#41 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

@kiba said:

And now he's Batman in Earth2. Cool

Yep. Always nice to see a universe where Dick takes, in my opinion, his rightful place as Batman. Costume looks terrible though.

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#42 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio
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Per Grayson #10, Lex Luthor showcases the ability to completely control the bodies of Hypnos users, and attempts to further demonstrate this by having Dick slap a waitress that's walking by (In a very sensitive area no less lol) and Dick manages to resist.

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#43 Edited by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

New Intelligence feats from Midnighter 4, folks. Enjoy.

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#44 Posted by poeticwarrior (3526 posts) - - Show Bio

@youknowwhattodo said:
@jayaaerow said:
@jonny_anonymous said:

I get that they are fans but the writers of Grayson are going overboard....

What do you mean?

I believe he's referring to the events in the Midnighter battle since he was on this forum talking about it for a few days after the issue came out. Maybe it's also about the Paragon battle, but I doubt it, no sane person would criticize writers for having one character beat a feat-less character.

I still hold to my conviction that the Midnighter vs Grayson fight was fair throughout the whole time

There was a lot of nerf going on. Midnighter has fought many opponents who can change their styles and who are master of martial arts with no problem. He was KO not by Grayson but by the new implant who shocked him. It's out of character like when Midnighter can't read Joker when he could read non-living opponents or Punisher immunes to Ghost Rider's penance stare. Midnighter also was just playing around thoughout the fight. Lastly, it's 100% PIS since in the interview, the writer admits they were finding a way to give Grayson a win.

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#45 Posted by Rubear (4651 posts) - - Show Bio

Able to speak Russian. (Detective Comics 36)
Автор, жжёшь. Давай ещё. xD

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#46 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

So Dick and Cassandra met and fought in this issue, with Cass coming out on top. That's to be expected given that she was the superior fighter Pre-Flashpoint as well by all accounts, and that doesn't seem to have changed. However, though Dick "lost" and was generally confused by Cass's skills, he did manage to get a hold of her at one point, during which it clearly through her off

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Just a moment of course and she quickly recovers, but I think that being able to do that at all to someone of Cass's skils (again, placing here where she was Pre-Flashpoint, as that doesn't seem to have changed) that that's a commendable feat, as most people wouldn't be able to do that at all.

We also see Dick's knowledge of various fighting forms, as he's able to tell that Cass could've killed him with some of her movements, but has chosen not to.

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#47 Posted by JayAaerow (574 posts) - - Show Bio

So Dick and Cassandra met and fought in this issue, with Cass coming out on top. That's to be expected given that she was the superior fighter Pre-Flashpoint as well by all accounts, and that doesn't seem to have changed. However, though Dick "lost" and was generally confused by Cass's skills, he did manage to get a hold of her at one point, during which it clearly through her off

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Just a moment of course and she quickly recovers, but I think that being able to do that at all to someone of Cass's skils (again, placing here where she was Pre-Flashpoint, as that doesn't seem to have changed) that that's a commendable feat, as most people wouldn't be able to do that at all.

We also see Dick's knowledge of various fighting forms, as he's able to tell that Cass could've killed him with some of her movements, but has chosen not to.

I can give you that reading her moves is a feat but grabbing Cassandra Cain is NOT a commendable feat. Pre-52, Dick actually was able to actually touch Cassandra with punches and kicks and take hits himself. He even knocked her one with one punch via surprise too. Sorry to get angsty but no, "grabbing" Cassandra Cain is not a feat cause "other people normally don't do it". That showing was all writers wooting for Cassandra Cain, not as a noteworthy feat for Grayson.

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@jayaaerow said:
@nathaniel_christopher said:

So Dick and Cassandra met and fought in this issue, with Cass coming out on top. That's to be expected given that she was the superior fighter Pre-Flashpoint as well by all accounts, and that doesn't seem to have changed. However, though Dick "lost" and was generally confused by Cass's skills, he did manage to get a hold of her at one point, during which it clearly through her off

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Just a moment of course and she quickly recovers, but I think that being able to do that at all to someone of Cass's skils (again, placing here where she was Pre-Flashpoint, as that doesn't seem to have changed) that that's a commendable feat, as most people wouldn't be able to do that at all.

We also see Dick's knowledge of various fighting forms, as he's able to tell that Cass could've killed him with some of her movements, but has chosen not to.

I can give you that reading her moves is a feat but grabbing Cassandra Cain is NOT a commendable feat. Pre-52, Dick actually was able to actually touch Cassandra with punches and kicks and take hits himself. He even knocked her one with one punch via surprise too. Sorry to get angsty but no, "grabbing" Cassandra Cain is not a feat cause "other people normally don't do it". That showing was all writers wooting for Cassandra Cain, not as a noteworthy feat for Grayson.

Disagree and I don't follow your logic whatsoever. So he was able to land blows on her Pre-Flashpoint, great. Those are all commendable feats, so is this, because in the realm of this fight she's clearly a martial artist of the highest caliber (Just like she was previously) So really anyone doing well against her to any extent is a feat. Just like if you manage to dodge or block a punch from Batman. It's freaking Batman! It doesn't matter if you hit him back, although it'd obviously be more impressive if you did, fighting him straight up and dodging any of his blows when he's actively trying to thrash you is a feat. Same applies here.

Especially when you're comparing Pre and Post Flashpoint. That's fairly irrelevant unless we're comparing the different versions of the characters.

And yeah you really do sound angsty over this.

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#49 Posted by redwingx (1359 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't compare this Dick to pre52. New52 lacks a lot of things that makes Dick into a better fighter for good reasons. He hasn't been with the Titans nor has he lead several other teams. He also doesn't have the same amount of training as a Robin. Pre52 is older and wiser.

Don't compare.

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#50 Posted by Rurgandy (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@redwingx: You'd be wrong here. The Titans history is intact, considering that DC's launching an entire series around it. Most of Dick's history is very much in play.

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