Let's face it: the first Robin likes a good redhead. And with women like Oracle and the princess of Tamaran, I don't blame him. But who truly really deserves Dick Grayson? A Bird of Prey or a Teen Titan? Both have been engaged to the newest man to don Batman's cowl, but their nuptials have ultimately been ruined. As hot as Princess Koriand'r is, I truly believe Dick belongs with Barbara, because they come from a very similar background. Who do you think?
Dick Grayson
Character » Dick Grayson appears in 9431 issues.
As the first Robin, Dick Grayson was the most famous sidekick in comic book history. As he ventured forth on his own, he formed the Teen Titans and became their leader. When the boy became a man, he became the independent hero known as Nightwing.
Dick Grayson's True Love: Barbara Gordon or Starfire?
Starefire is not really in the true love category, dick told her straight up no sugarcoating it that he didn't love her anymore. And the night before Dick and Kory's wedding, he was hooking up with Barbara Gordon. Not exactly the foundation of a healthy, loving relationship.
Babs is his true love, if it wasn't for his injury in Infinite Crisis they would have gotten married.
I like Starfire, though I prefer Babs, but nightwing91 hit the nail on the head;
@nightwing91 said:
" @TheCrowbar: Raven ruined the wedding and used her empathic powers to force Dick to be attracted to her. Starefires not really in the true love category, did told her straight up no sugarcoating it that he didn't lover her anymore. And the night before Dick and Kory's wedding, he was hooking up with Barbara Gordon. Not exactly the foundation of a healthy, loving relationship. Babs is his true love, if it wasn't for his injury in Infinite Crisis they would have gotten married. "
while the young boy in me who watched dick and babs flirt in the animated series wants them to be together, it wont happen. the reason for this is that, despite the MANY protests of people on this website, dick grayson is batman. he is doomed to live the lonely life that is batman. (not to say he wont have flings or a great relationship with damian, he just will never get married)
Starfire. It was the titans where he became his own man and the titans he met his true love. Babs is great, but being with her keeps him tied to the Bat books and less of his own man. Dick has earned his place as his own man. No longer a Robin, no longer even Nightwing. Starfire.
" Personally, I disagree with either Barbara or Starfire, so I would have to say BATMAN ;) "Ew keep it in fan fiction man :)
" @Silkcuts: But he was his own man as nightwing, his own city, his own identity, his own rogues gallery, his own life. It's in his series that his relationship finally turned romantic with Barbarra. How was it a true love thing with starfire, he was doing everything he could to try and distance himself from Bruce, Bruce dislikes the superpowered ones and he hooked up with one. There's a reason there relationship never took the plunge, and unlike with Barbarra in which it was necessary, with them it was Dick's concious decision he knew Starfire wasn't the right woman, it has always and will always be Babs in his eyes. Or at least my opinion anyway, lately all they do is have a random hook up in whatever team book they both happen to be in. "^_^ great response. of Course I value what Marv Wolfman did with him more in the Titans I guess...lol
His Nightwing stories are still part of the Bat universe, even if you see it as Dick being his own man.
It was the titans that were his and no one else.
Starfire is his Juliette. Literarrly his STARcrossed lover. This is why Barbs is pushed as the love interest, it is to sell more comics. If North American comics had infinite endings like Europe Starfire would make the better ending as his love. It would be the Starcrossed lovers story like Romeo and Juliette. I guess its the Vertigo fan in me who looks for the final stories that see it the way I do.
With starfire they could never have a normal marriage, he couldn't marry her in all honesty when she's seen with Nightwing anyone could figure out that Nightwing is Dick Grayson, and like Romeo and Juliet it would only end in tragedy. Marrying them would have been good for the team book then, but when the teams gone could you see dick battling the penguin with starfire right behind him, it would ruin the street level feel of the book.
Barbara like I said was who he wanted, but who constantly turned him away. In fact if she hadn't would he have ever even been with starfire? It's pretty safe to say Bab's was Dick's first love. Starfire was more of a love of convenience,it's only natural he'd fall for the tal,beautiful,orange warrior princess, but after the thin with Raven ruining the wedding I believe they realized it was a mistake, which is why they never did it again. But with Bab's if the injury in crisis forced Dick to rebuild his skills, and when the opportunity to rebuild them and his relationship with Bruce and Tim came along Barbara forced him go, like the saying If you love something set it free. Well Bab's did, because she knew him and his family needed it, and he'd never leave if their engagment continued. But even then Dick's thoughts showed she was the woman for him saying he'd come back and leaving the picture for her of them as robin and batgirl.
I know Starfire was A love, but Barbara is THE love.
I like your efforts to sway me. If I wanted to read Batman when I am in my elder age, I would agree with you to tease the romance of Barbs and Dick. I guess when I first read Mar's Teen Titans I wanted Starfire for Dick. It is what I feel is best for Dick as the character, not Nightwing.
You make great points and I won't attack because those who follow the Bat universe feels that Barbs is best. And the only point I have is, that if Dick stays in the Batunivese he is always going to be in Bruce's shadow no matter how much he tries to break away.
He would be happy with Starfire I know that for a fact, but the interaction that was used between Dick and Bab's was great in the Nightwing solo series. He's just happier when around Babs.
And I respect you for not attacking most people can't have a civil debate without it resorting to attacks.
" @Silkcuts: Yeah I can see the perks of either relationship, Barbara won't really be liked by most fans the same way Star is. And Starfire has a more intense love for Dick because like she said Tamarans mate for life of something along those lines. But that intensity is the problem Dick could never return that level of intensity back. Which is the reason there relationship fizzled out, it's obvious Starfire can't really move on, but that's unfortunately what's happened with Grayson to his child hood love. Atleast until DC changes it's mind and they rebuild the Starfire and Grayson relationship. He would be happy with Starfire I know that for a fact, but the interaction that was used between Dick and Bab's was great in the Nightwing solo series. He's just happier when around Babs. And I respect you for not attacking most people can't have a civil debate without it resorting to attacks. "^_^
Well Dick does love himself those ET's with the DDs. First Starfire, then flirting lightly with Power Girl. But I gotta go with Babs. Even if I think it will never happen.
One should never mix business with pleasure, not to mention she's a jealous #$%^! to Dick. I rule barbara out. Kori is his booty call and when they're together she gets clingy and it bogs him down. I wanna see him hook up with Power Girl quite honestly. They were made for each other and you can tell DC keeps teasing us with the idea.
I think Starfire is the woman for Dick, they got along great together and I think Dick shouldn't have to end up all alone with all his relationships doomed to failure like Bruce. Just because Dick and Barb have similar backgrounds doesn't mean they are perfect for eachother, and Barbs and Dick as a couple just isn't as interesting as the first boy wonder hooking up with a princess of the stars, succeeding in having a real personal life where Bruce has always fallen short. Plus, didn't Dick leave Barb for Kori? Dick had alot more potential as a Titan or an Outsider.
Anywho, based on what I've heard of current events, Dick's been...Well...A dick to all his past lovers, so I'm not sure if he even deserves to hook up with either of them >_<, unless I heard wrong?
At any rate, if he does wise up and seeks to hook up with either of them again, I hope its Starfire, cuz her love for him doesn't seem to have died out yet and I'd like to see her happy with the jerk she loves, though if she meets someone else who'll finally treat her right then too bad of for Dick XD
" I think Starfire is the woman for Dick, they got along great together and I think Dick shouldn't have to end up all alone with all his relationships doomed to failure like Bruce. Just because Dick and Barb have similar backgrounds doesn't mean they are perfect for eachother, and Barbs and Dick as a couple just isn't as interesting as the first boy wonder hooking up with a princess of the stars, succeeding in having a real personal life where Bruce has always fallen short. Plus, didn't Dick leave Barb for Kori? Dick had alot more potential as a Titan or an Outsider. Anywho, based on what I've heard of current events, Dick's been...Well...A dick to all his past lovers, so I'm not sure if he even deserves to hook up with either of them >_<, unless I heard wrong? At any rate, if he does wise up and seeks to hook up with either of them again, I hope its Starfire, cuz her love for him doesn't seem to have died out yet and I'd like to see her happy with the jerk she loves, though if she meets someone else who'll finally treat her right then too bad of for Dick XD "A relation with Babs isn't doomed to failure, there in love something that dick and Starfire haven't been in awhile. Dick isn't as needed if he has a relationship, say the joker escapes Arkham, would it not be to easy a tempation to just send his superpowered wife in?
Dick didn't leave Babs for Kori, they didn't have a relationship until he had become Nightwing, in fact Dick had sex with Babs the night before His and Koris wedding. And he's not been mean to his old lovers, he told starfire when she asked for the truth the truth, that he didn't love her anymore. Huntress he's been friendly with, and he's been working closely with babs. And I'm pretty certain starfires said a Tamerans love is forever, I don't believe she will love someone like she did Grayson. But Grayson shouldn't be with her if he doesn't lover her.
Babs is the right girl for Grayson.
" @Sinestro2828 said:Dude having sex with an ex the night before marrying another woman is pretty mean." I think Starfire is the woman for Dick, they got along great together and I think Dick shouldn't have to end up all alone with all his relationships doomed to failure like Bruce. Just because Dick and Barb have similar backgrounds doesn't mean they are perfect for eachother, and Barbs and Dick as a couple just isn't as interesting as the first boy wonder hooking up with a princess of the stars, succeeding in having a real personal life where Bruce has always fallen short. Plus, didn't Dick leave Barb for Kori? Dick had alot more potential as a Titan or an Outsider. Anywho, based on what I've heard of current events, Dick's been...Well...A dick to all his past lovers, so I'm not sure if he even deserves to hook up with either of them >_<, unless I heard wrong? At any rate, if he does wise up and seeks to hook up with either of them again, I hope its Starfire, cuz her love for him doesn't seem to have died out yet and I'd like to see her happy with the jerk she loves, though if she meets someone else who'll finally treat her right then too bad of for Dick XD "A relation with Babs isn't doomed to failure, there in love something that dick and Starfire haven't been in awhile. Dick isn't as needed if he has a relationship, say the joker escapes Arkham, would it not be to easy a tempation to just send his superpowered wife in? Dick didn't leave Babs for Kori, they didn't have a relationship until he had become Nightwing, in fact Dick had sex with Babs the night before His and Koris wedding. And he's not been mean to his old lovers, he told starfire when she asked for the truth the truth, that he didn't love her anymore. Huntress he's been friendly with, and he's been working closely with babs. And I'm pretty certain starfires said a Tamerans love is forever, I don't believe she will love someone like she did Grayson. But Grayson shouldn't be with her if he doesn't lover her. Babs is the right girl for Grayson. "
Starfire and Dick! All the way.
I would prefer it to be Starfire, but I really don't think he will ever settle down with either of them. He pretty much told Starfire he doesn't love her in the same way that she still loves him. And I have no clue what his relationship is like with Barbara. I don't think writers will have the two of them ever become a couple unless they somehow give her the ability to walk again.
But poor Starfire. She is much better than Barbara any day of the week! But alas! It's not meant to be as I think she may be developing feelings for Captain Comet in REBELS.
" I would prefer it to be Starfire, but I really don't think he will ever settle down with either of them. He pretty much told Starfire he doesn't love her in the same way that she still loves him. And I have no clue what his relationship is like with Barbara. I don't think writers will have the two of them ever become a couple unless they somehow give her the ability to walk again. But poor Starfire. She is much better than Barbara any day of the week! But alas! It's not meant to be as I think she may be developing feelings for Captain Comet in REBELS. "Dick and Babs didnt have a relationship until after she was paralyzed, amd he still proposed to her, he can have a retlaationship with her.And starfire has said a tammerans love is eternal, so Im not sure about her having feelings for Captain Comet.
I would have to say Barbara. She can relate to and understand things about Dick that Starfire might not be able to. She understands the Cowl and it's responsibility but also knows that the Cowl doesn't control you. Anyway I would love to see a one-shot wedding comic like they did with Superman. Bat-family+wedding= epic hilarity and awesome story telling, (Damian ring bearer with Sin as Flower girl, Stephanie having to walk with Tim as groomsmen and bridesmaid and Jason interrupting the reception). But honestly I like the Starfire and Dick route but I have to be truthful and say Dick and Babara are totally Made for each other. I know I'm a guy but I see it working, their the Ross and Rachel of the DC Universe.
Starfire..... It was one of the most enduring romantic relationships Dick without mentioning that the most romantic ( if you do not believe me read the whole series of "The New Teen Titans " by Marv Wolfman and George Perez ) and do not think Dick and Kory relationship is only cute in the series of "Teen Titans Go!
" Starfire..... It was one of the most enduring romantic relationships Dick without mentioning that the most romantic ( if you do not believe me read the whole series of "The New Teen Titans " by Marv Wolfman and George Perez ) and do not think Dick and Kory relationship is only cute in the series of "Teen Titans Go! "Well this I partially agree with it was incredibibly enduring to a extent, but most romantic I don't see, I see it as the most sexual. They were always shown laying in bed or half naked. I beleive the most romantic is an honor going to Dick and Babs, probably cause of how much more human she was, with dick being the over worrying boyfriend. I just see it as far more human and a deeper bond.
And I don't want Dick with babs either, I prefer him alone for no, and remember your the one who messaged me on a thread thats a month old, to infer a opinion that you assume I have, based on posts made.And my facts are nothing but straight, personal attacks of my knowledge just shows you don't know quite as much about Dick as you say you do.
This is what I said elsewhere.
I look at it like this. He and Babs have known each other practically forever. From a very young age they were in and out of each other's pockets. They developed a close friendship, a close working relationship and a love. In my eyes, they're each other's perfect match and soul mates. However, everybody needs to leave the nest and branch out sooner or later and see other people. You can't be with just one person your whole life, you'll never know if it's true and will always be left to wonder "what if I had checked out other options, would I have found somebody better?". So to me, Starfire is him sowing his wild oats, checking out his other options and getting things out of his system and Babs is the one who he'll end up with in the end.
Disagreed,i'm not much of an expert on either Babs or Kory but Dick/Babs always felt like a retcon relationship.I don't recall any meaningful romance during their teen days from the orignal comics.It's mostly the writers slipping in flashback scenes.Starfire has a stronger case for her cause of her development at the hands of Wolfman/Perez,that's what made Dick the true badass he is.This is what I said elsewhere.
I look at it like this. He and Babs have known each other practically forever. From a very young age they were in and out of each other's pockets. They developed a close friendship, a close working relationship and a love. In my eyes, they're each other's perfect match and soul mates. However, everybody needs to leave the nest and branch out sooner or later and see other people. You can't be with just one person your whole life, you'll never know if it's true and will always be left to wonder "what if I had checked out other options, would I have found somebody better?". So to me, Starfire is him sowing his wild oats, checking out his other options and getting things out of his system and Babs is the one who he'll end up with in the end.
I don't recall him ever coming close to marrying Gordon,and their failure engagement came from Devin Graysons horrible Renegade arc.
In my personal opinion he's got a higher chance of ending up with Kory than he has of ending up with Babs.
I think some people just don't like Starfire's attitude and the way she dresses and all that, because I hear it brought up way too much. I actually like Dick better with Starfire.
I think some people just don't like Starfire's attitude and the way she dresses and all that, because I hear it brought up way too much. I actually like Dick better with Starfire.It's that and it's also the fact that Babs/Dick shippers (like myself) will take any opportunity to hate on her. I know I do.
That being said, I don't think Kori is a great character and I don't think shes a great match for Dick, either.
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