spideyivydaredevilfan26's Detective Comics #823 - Stalked review

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    Perhaps The Worst Comic Ever Made

    Let's talk about Paul Dini...Oh God. Yes indeed, for those who don't know I have a particular hatred for the untalented fatass known as Paul Dini. Not because he's a perverted, moronic hack...Though...That doesn't help. No, I hate Dini partly because of how much friggin love this guy gets. His best work is Gotham City Sirens and Batman TAS, and his worst work is...Pretty much everything else. His unfunny run of Harley and Ivy, Jingle Belle, Countdown To Final Crisis and his runs on Zattana/Wonder Woman. Don't believe me? Behold Stalked, exhibit #1 on why Paul Dini should never write Poison Ivy ever again.

    The moronic story follows a mutated plant monster named Harvest who is stalking and hunting Poison Ivy. (And as unbelievably retarded as that sounds, the explanation is even worse) Batman and Robin decide to help out and stop the monster.

    Where do I start? Paul Dini completely rapes Ivy, but like any media rapist, he seems to think he's doing the right thing. In Dini's new "vision" (And by "vision" I mean abomination of tripe), Ivy is no longer a ends-justify-the-means anti-villain/hero, but a sociopathic serial killer who feeds random innocent people (Some of whom are even nice to her, just go with it) to a plant that slowly digests them. Seeing how childish and immature Dini is, I am going to explain this as I would to a child: Dini, Ivy has been established as a character who is not evil and has plenty of good in her for a LONG time. She has raised abandoned children, saved tourists from a bunch of evil terrorists and even saved the world a few times. But screw that! Just put some face paint on her and call her The Joker! At least then Paul Dini can have his fantasy of Ivy x Harley that way!

    Actually, am I the only one who realizes how overtly sexist this is? Think about it. One of the smartest, strongest, most free willed female DC Characters who has long been a symbol of female power and/or feminism is turned into a straight out sociopath who murders innocents (Not even plant destroyers, just innocents) in horrible ways for fun. Add to that the constant boobage, nudity and even that cover, and Stalked paints itself a very disturbing image. According to dumbass Dini, strong women are always evil and crazy, and what intelligence they have is used to commit senseless atrocities against mankind! Did I mention Dini is a dumbass?

    The dialogue is equally terrible. Dialogue has never been a strength of Dini's, even in Batman TAS and Gotham City Sirens which are both fantastic, but here he seems to have completely lost it. After Ivy confesses to Batman about the murders in dialogue that is so out of character and childish that Rob Liefield would be disgusted (Although Michael seemed to be enjoying the dominance element. Until the enzymes hit the nervous system...Then he screamed!") calling it a "guilty pleasure" (Something that Ivy would never do unless written by a complete dumbass like Dini), Robin responds by saying "Cheescake is a guilty pleasure. That's just sick!" Right, because in the most twisted and terrifying moment of the book, we totally need comic relief! Then, Ivy intentionally tries to get Batman to kill her, or at least piss him off, which makes NO SENSE! WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT DINI?! SHE HAS NEVER ACTED LIKE THAT TO ANYONE BEFORE!!! IVY IS NOT JOKER, GROW UP AND LEARN ABOUT A LITTLE THING CALLED CHARACTER CONSISTENCY YOU...IDIOT!!

    And it wouldn't truly be a crappy Dini comic book without butt shots and naked pics of Ivy! Horn dawgs rejoice! Hell, even that cover looks like something from some Brazzers porn of Batman and Poison Ivy, surely the writing would have been better. The writing and dialogue may be abominable but Ivy has her clothes of so who cares! I swear to God that's all Dini cares about, getting Ivy to get naked. I can imagine him licking his fat lips and sweating while writing the script to this stupid thing. He might as well have helped out Miller with All-Star Batman & Robin.

    Stalked is stupid, insulting, unfunny, poorly written and the worst thing to happen to Ivy in her publication history. If there is any justice in the world, Linkara will bust it. If not, I strongly encourage Ivy fans (And comic fans in general) to simply deny it's existence.

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    Ostyo

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    Would never call Ivy anything but a villain, but nice review.

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    @ostyo said:

    Would never call Ivy anything but a villain, but nice review.

    I'm not saying don't make her a villain, but turning her into a sociopath with no motivation who just kills innocent people who are nice to her is just truly terrible writing. Thanks for the praise. ;)

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    @spideyivydaredevilfan26: Oh, I get what you're saying. I just don't like seeing her in a anti-hero role myself unless she's forced into it against her will.

    Oh you're welcome, Dini is a fat pig after all.

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    Pretty good could of talked more about The book than Dini. But pretty good for your first try.

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    @ostyo said:

    @spideyivydaredevilfan26: Oh, I get what you're saying. I just don't like seeing her in a anti-hero role myself unless she's forced into it against her will.

    Oh you're welcome, Dini is a fat pig after all.

    Yeah, was writing her kind've on and off as an anti-hero/villain in my Psycho series. Check it out in the Fan-Fic section if you haven't.

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    @ostyo said:

    @spideyivydaredevilfan26: Oh, I get what you're saying. I just don't like seeing her in a anti-hero role myself unless she's forced into it against her will.

    Oh you're welcome, Dini is a fat pig after all.

    Yeah, was writing her kind've on and off as an anti-hero/villain in my Psycho series. Check it out in the Fan-Fic section if you haven't.

    No one seems to get Ivy. Even though i ADORED Jeff Loeb's "Hush", ivy acted so out of character there.

    I did a review of all star batman and robin once, but it was short, and i linked to Linkara's video at the end. I'm not very good a writing review, but I can Rant up a storm if i did a video. lol.

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    just looking at he cover you can tell this was going to be bad lol

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    just looking at he cover you can tell this was going to be bad lol

    Oh, of course. Maybe if this were the cover of the rated X porn parody at Blockbuster it would be fitting, but here?...Ehhhhh.

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    Well done! As i wrote in your post: Finally! Someone had the guts to write a review about it! Harvest was just Dini trying to destroy Greg Rucka's No Man's Land Poison Ivy. I'd liek to see her as an antihero. I think that was the point when New52 started. I clearly remember mentioning her as Batman's ally in detective comics. Yeah she's not a good girl but her best stories are when she is written as an antihero. She always walked on that grey line between "heroic" and "villaineous"

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    Well done! As i wrote in your post: Finally! Someone had the guts to write a review about it! Harvest was just Dini trying to destroy Greg Rucka's No Man's Land Poison Ivy. I'd liek to see her as an antihero. I think that was the point when New52 started. I clearly remember mentioning her as Batman's ally in detective comics. Yeah she's not a good girl but her best stories are when she is written as an antihero. She always walked on that grey line between "heroic" and "villaineous"

    Thank you so much, really glad you love my review so much, and that you recognized Ivy as the character she is supposed to be. I actually wrote quite a few series where Ivy is sort've an angry and aggressive anti-hero like Gotham City 21 and Doomhound/Psycho. Please read them and comment when you can! :)

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    Yeah this is pretty bad, I am not denying it... But I've seen worse. Way worse.

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    Another thing... I get you are invested in the character and all, why you are pissed at Dini for depicting Ivy OOC, and in no way I am defending him. But you don't have to call him everything negative that comes to mind. Like.

    Actually, am I the only one who realizes how overtly sexist this is? Think about it. One of the smartest, strongest, most free willed female DC Characters who has long been a symbol of female power and/or feminism is turned into a straight out sociopath who murders innocents (Not even plant destroyers, just innocents) in horrible ways for fun.

    So its somehow sexist to depict a female character as sociopath...? What weird train of logic. Also I read about the shallow fanservice, so it makes a better sense why you would call him sexist, but this statement above... Yeah no.

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    Another thing... I get you are invested in the character and all, why you are pissed at Dini for depicting Ivy OOC, and in no way I am defending him. But you don't have to call him everything negative that comes to mind. Like.

    Actually, am I the only one who realizes how overtly sexist this is? Think about it. One of the smartest, strongest, most free willed female DC Characters who has long been a symbol of female power and/or feminism is turned into a straight out sociopath who murders innocents (Not even plant destroyers, just innocents) in horrible ways for fun.

    So its somehow sexist to depict a female character as sociopath...? What weird train of logic. Also I read about the shallow fanservice, so it makes a better sense why you would call him sexist, but this statement above... Yeah no.

    It's not sexist to display a female character as a sociopath. It IS however sexist to display a comic book character, who many identify as a feminist icon and an anti-hero as a sociopath.

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    @spideyivydaredevilfan26: Eh... I disagree on her being a feminist icon, after all bioterrorism and latent misanthropy aren't exactly healthy or noble callings. Sure she has positive qualities, but I find hard to say she is something women should strive to be.

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    @dragonborn_ct: Ivy is a feminist icon. In fact her character is based on Ecofeminism ideas. She's a radical environmentalist (not a bioterrorist that's a completely diferent thing) but she is not a misanthrope. That's just bad writing. Her best stories are those where she is depicted as a grey character, a sort of antihero, a protector of children (no mans land) abused women (Harley Quinn) an ally of Batman (BoP, Court of Owls) a brilliant scientist who wants to make a better world (Cast shadows) and the list goes on.

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    That's Robin for ya! Joking about innocent people getting killed! Oh... wait... never read this but it sounds pretty awful. I just never have imagined Ivy killing RANDOM people for absolutely NO reason! It's just weird...

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