Well in the Shazam movie its clearly indicated that any mortal weapon or attack( nuclear bombs , punches vs be it from earth based or alien) wouldnt harm the champions of Shazam and only similar magic based attacks can harm a champion.

Only a champion can defeat another

Just to inform you guys

lol. NLF territory again. might as well put up pre retcon beyonder vs champion of shazam because that is really logical.

Any mortal weapon (which is probably only referring to normal humans) only goes up to nukes, which we've seen a weakened Superman (who's probably immortal under a yellow sun) survive, so it's not really out of bounds.

Going too much beyond that is a NLF.

@archangel01: thought the movie comes out in a month or sumthin

No

Limits

Fallacy

Pretty much what you said. That stated, we could probably do scaling to the pantheon Billy draws his powers from. Zeus for example has some feats.

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EDIT: I mean NLF ?

spoiler topic much?
where are the mods

^^

Well, looks like endgame did.

Just kidding.

So that makes him beat up Supes pretty bad, huh?

=)

MCU Thor's got magic...

DCEU Shazam vs Doomsday destroys the universe I assume?

@nucleon: hi

Someone doesn't know what they're talking about.

Don't try to add your own fantasy. Dr Sivana only said that champions can't be hurt by mortal weapons, not that they can't be hurt by mortals. After all, neither Sivana nor Shazam are immortals. In fact, Shazam is literally known as the worlds mightiest Mortal.

Magic is indeed a science, in any setting. MCU Asgardians are back to being gods and using magic since "Ragnarok".

@luminoushydra: Thor said the place where he comes from is one where Magic and Science are the same, so technically it's just really advanced Tech.

You somehow came to the conclusion that science is magic, with no relation whatsoever with what I wrote. If you are to build strawmen, then enjoy debating yourself.

@luminoushydra: Well, yeah, magic is a science. That's why there are teachers and students of magic in any setting.

Doesn't mean that all tech becomes magic. Gee.

Iron Man and Hulk still stomp.

Wrong exemple; Maths are also a science.

@luminoushydra: Nonsense. Math is not science. Science is predicated upon empirical evidence, while math is predicated upon pure logic.

Ooooh, we got ourselves an intellectual here, I see. You're just too strong for me, Champ.