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#1 Edited By NormanOsborn

Who do you think are the Top 10 Most Intelligent Characters on the DCUniverse?

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#2 Edited By NormanOsborn

My list is (in no particular order):
- Lex Luthor
- Bruce Wayne
- Mr. Terrific
- Brainiac
- Will Magnus
- Niles Caulder
- Ray Palmer
- John Henry Irons
- T.O.Morrow
- Rip Hunter

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#3 Edited By OhTru

1
Adam West Batman (anti-Shark, anti-Doomsday, anti-Galactus, anti-whatever spray)

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Silver Age Superman (super speed reading, super mathematics, super understanding of the cosmos, super brains, super linguist, super everything!!!! )

3
Brainiac 13

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Pre Crisis Darkseid

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Pre Crisis Mongul

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Some other version of Brainiac
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Mr. Terrific
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Lex Luthor on a very good day
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Batman
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Joker
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Classic Dr Fate
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Ray Palmer (Atom)
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J'onn J'onzz
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Barbara Gordon
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Ra’s al Ghul or Riddler
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T. O. Morrow
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John Henry Irons
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Dr. Sivana
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Lesla-Lar
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Zatanna or Firestorm/Atom, one is a master of magic the other two highly skilled in physics/science

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#4 Edited By the creator

And these 2 have still to be mentioned

Himon

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#5 Edited By yodagod

A lot of people will say Superman, but I don't feel that Supes is actually a genius. Genius is the ability to problem solve more than anything. Superman may be able to give the appearance of genius by thinking at super speed, but ultimately he isn't in the same league as Batman or Ray Palmer.
#1 Ray Palmer (Atom)
#2 Ryan Choi (Atom)
#3 Michael Holt (Mr Terrific)
#4 tie Lex Luthor and most versions of Brainiac
#5 Bruce Wayne (Batman)
#6 tie Lucius Fox / Gorilla Grodd
#7 Winslow Schott(Toyman)
#8 Tim Drake Wayne (Red Robin)
#9 T.O. Morrow
#10 tie Riddler/Joker/Dr. Sivana
DC has a lot of geniuses that could be considered to be tied or nearly tied with the last few slots. These are just the ones I can think of quickly and feel pretty solid about position.

IMO however, DC geniuses aren't in the same league as Marvel geniuses. I would rank the smartest on this list somewhere around #5 or #6 when compared to Marvel.

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#6 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

I notice Tim Drake, Bane, The Calculator, Superman, Jor-El, Grodd, Humanite, Ted Kord, Booster Gold and Deathstroke are left out of the list

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#7 Edited By Nighthunter

No order:

Brainiac
Vril Drox
Brainiac-3
Brainiac-5
Mr. Terrific (Don't really believe this but he is ranked number 3 among humans)
Ray Palmer
T.OMorrow
Doctor Magnus
Lex Luthor
Metron

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#8 Edited By OhTru

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" I notice [Tim Drake, Bane, , Superman, Booster Gold and Deathstroke] are left out of the list "

Tim is nothing compared to the Bat

Bane has one big feat, breaking the back, and it was after Batman was exhausted from running a crazy gauntlet that's it

Superman is a moron when he's not in the SilverAge

BoosterGold is nothing without his talking robot

Deathstroke is just a rambo ninja, when a plot device calls for him to be something more then out comes the PIS. Normally I rank him below Batman

@yodagod

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" A lot of people will say Superman, but I don't feel that Supes is actually a genius. "

I don't rank him high either, if you level him out with his GoldenAge, BronzeAge and Current I think he's a bit of an idiot compared to the rest. I might rank him around the level of Vulture, WonderWoman or Goku. maybe even lower. He has nothing to back his brain up, only super powers and that still does not stop him from fighting like a hill billy.
The thing with Superman however is you had the SilverAge, and back in the 1960s he was a constant walking plot device. If the 60s Superman was troubled by a science problem he sill would beat everyone because he got super mathematics, super landscaping, super knitting, super understanding of the cosmos, super linguist, everything!!!!
The SilverAge was a plot device and you can't argue with it

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#9 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

@OhTru: You fail

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#10 Edited By glforthewin

@OhTru: have u read all star superman? he's pretty goddam smart in that.

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#11 Edited By Zoom

@OhTru said:

"Deathstroke...Normally I rank him below Batman "

One more reason why nobody respects your opinion on anything.

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#12 Edited By BiteMe-Fanboy

Hahahaa

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#13 Edited By Ziro

Prometheus should be somewhere in the mix...

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#14 Edited By OhTru

Name me one .time Deathstroke outclassed the Batman's detective work in tracking Joker, beating Riddler? Name me one invention of Deathstrokes? A space station? Heck did he even invent a Batplane? I know he's able to create situations like "statutory rape" but does this guy have one decent scientific gizmo to his name?

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#15 Edited By Zoom

Very mature. Another reason nobody respects you.

If you're gonna pull out a crying baby image, wait until someone is actually whining about something, not just calling you a moron.

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#16 Edited By OhTru

You're the one who started the flaming Zoom. If you have something to contribute write a top 10 list and add the character names to the thread.

Otherwise you should go somewhere else, there are plenty of other vine threads you can troll in

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" @OhTru: have u read all star superman? he's pretty goddam smart in that. "

I read some of him, not really my thing. I just picked SilverAge because I though his feats were more consistently super

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#17 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

@OhTru: You do realize that Bruce has said Tim is a better detective right? Also when it comes to strategy planning and paranoia Slade stomps Bruce

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#18 Edited By Zoom

@OhTru said:

"You're the one who started the flaming Zoom. If you have something to contribute..."

I'm not flaming. I'm pointing out a fact. Stop staying stupid things and people will start respecting your opinion.

As for my contribution, its better to say nothing than to say things that are obviously wrong. No contribution is better than sitting there and saying that Superman is a moron and that Batman is smarter than Deathstroke.

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#19 Edited By The_Ghostshell

Whatever happened to respectfully disagreeing with people?

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#20 Edited By the creator

@Gambler said:

"Whatever happened to respectfully disagreeing with people? "

Sometimes stupidity saturation occurrs and at that point watch out !

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#21 Edited By The_Ghostshell

@the creator said:

" @Gambler said:
"Whatever happened to respectfully disagreeing with people? "
Sometimes stupidity saturation occurrs and at that point watch out ! "

lol then its every man (and woman) for themselves huh. Seriously though, I'd like to see more of the users who are consider to be good debaters rise above the stupidity and set an example. Myself included. I'm calling it the, "Battle Thread Mafia" and we're taking over for the new year son.

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#22 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

@OhTru: Anyway back on topic why are Tim and Slade so insignificant in your twisted mind?

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#23 Edited By the creator

@Gambler said:

" @the creator said:
" @Gambler said:
"Whatever happened to respectfully disagreeing with people? "
Sometimes stupidity saturation occurrs and at that point watch out ! "
lol then its every man (and woman) for themselves huh. Seriously though, I'd like to see more of the users who are consider to be good debaters rise above the stupidity and set an example. Myself included. I'm calling it the, "Battle Thread Mafia" and we're taking over for the new year son. "

I could'nt agree more but sometimes setting an example fails.......
No other way to say it.
Calling for certain people to actually make a case and presnt the reasons for what they are saying, while blatantly ignoring evidence put before them........for the 50th time........it gets wearing.
So occasionally by using their tactics against them, you can illiurstrate the point if you will : )

Seriously though, I would suggest you do some organising with people you want to take this lead, communicate with them and launch your 'offensive'.
So that the organised effort has a better chance of succeeding.

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#24 Edited By The_Ghostshell

@the creator: I'm currently in the process of compiling a list of users who have demonstrated a certain..level of restraint in pressing times. Hopefully the Staff will agree and we can get a couple more Moderators to help keep an eye on the Battle Threads.

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#25 Edited By the creator

@Gambler said:

" @the creator: I'm currently in the process of compiling a list of users who have demonstrated a certain..level of restraint in pressing times. Hopefully the Staff will agree and we can get a couple more Moderators to help keep an eye on the Battle Threads. "

Interesting.
Don't suppose you can pm me about the list ?

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#26 Edited By The_Ghostshell

@the creator: Already did.

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#27 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

@Gambler said:

" @the creator: I'm currently in the process of compiling a list of users who have demonstrated a certain..level of restraint in pressing times. Hopefully the Staff will agree and we can get a couple more Moderators to help keep an eye on the Battle Threads. "

It is a good idea the vine population is growing and there are far too many personal attacks >.> plus that IceCream1995 fiasco that went on for a couple of days last week

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#28 Edited By SuperGamera

Adrien Veidt

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#29 Edited By The_Ghostshell

@Son_of_Magnus: That was just unbelievable. I actually feel sorry for that person in real life.

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#30 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

@Gambler said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: That was just unbelievable. I actually feel sorry for that person in real life. "

Ya that kid was just pathetic and sick that made me so heated, so disrespectful the whole event made me make up my mind that when I have kids they are aloud on the internet till they can vote lol

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#31 Edited By AtPhantom

@SuperGamera said:

" Adrien Veidt"

He's not a part of DCU. At least not normally considered.

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#32 Edited By the creator

What about anyone from the wildstorm universe ?

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#33 Edited By morpheus_ Moderator

Lucifer Morningstar deserves a mentioning, and he should be part of the elite if he is indeed eligible.

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#34 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

In Bizzaro Logic Killer Croc is DC smartest

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#35 Edited By AtPhantom

@the creator said:

" What about anyone from the wildstorm universe ? "

I don't know. When people say DCU, I presume they mean the main DCU, and not any adjacent universes. Maybe we should start using the DCMultiverse term...

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#36 Edited By geraldthesloth

I'll see what I can do here..

Brainiac 5
Metron
Darkseid
T.O. Morrow
Dr Sivana
Mr. Terrific
Himon
Dr Irons
TAO
Majestic

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#37 Edited By the creator

@AtPhantom said:

" @the creator said:
" What about anyone from the wildstorm universe ? "
I don't know. When people say DCU, I presume they mean the main DCU, and not any adjacent universes. Maybe we should start using the DCMultiverse term... "

Thats a well made point.

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#38 Edited By Th3 FlAsH 123

@Son_of_Magnus:
Hahaha.
I read a comic last night in which Bizarro committed suicide.

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#39 Edited By geraldthesloth

@the creator said:

" What about anyone from the wildstorm universe ? "

I didn't know they counted, but if they did I'd be tempted to add Majestic in my list.

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#40 Edited By the creator

@geraldthesloth said:

" @the creator said:
" What about anyone from the wildstorm universe ? "
I didn't know they counted, but if they did I'd be tempted to add Majestic in my list. "

Well they are one of the 52 part multiverse.

And Majestic was who I had in mind : )

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#41 Edited By OhTru

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @OhTru: Anyway back on topic why are Tim and Slade so insignificant in your twisted mind? "

Tim might be up there, I'll admit I'm kinda ignorant on his feats. Deathstroke/Slade to me doesn't have the feats to back himself up and a lot of his high showings like punching out Wonder Woman is just PIS.
Should he have the strength to hurt Wonder Woman? No. Should he have he knowledge and skills to fight like Wonder Woman- maybe. Should he have the speed to hurt Wonder Woman? No.
Deathstroke to me kinda has this cartoonish forcefield around him that forces everyone else to do silly things.
Admittedly he is the better BruceLee, he's the better Rambo. He can probably beat Batman in hand to hand or marksmanship but does that make him smarter? I think not! Batman has a much better knowledge of biology, a knowledge of chemistry, he has a knowledge of money and business, you name it he probably read the book he's an inventor and the Bat is a true Sherlock Homles style a crime detective. Would I prefer Deathstroke to be on the team if my team had to raid some ninja fortress - sure I would. But that to me still does not make him smarter. Deathstroke only really mastered one book and that book was the art of war. To me Batman has always been much smarter and had a broad knowledge and was an expert in a variety of subjects.

and Adam West Batman, he's a god of wisdom
you should look at the show online. That guy literally had a spray for everything. Adam West had a molecular dust reconstituinalizer machine. It was a machine that put the governor and mayor and a senator back together after they turned into dust. Who the heck has one of those.IMO he can pull out a spray and just erase Brainiac,
Michael Holt and erases Pre Crisis Darkseid.

Need some Adam West feats then download an episode or just look at this site
http://www.66batman.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=trivia

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#42 Edited By AtPhantom

@the creator said:

" @AtPhantom said:
" @the creator said:
" What about anyone from the wildstorm universe ? "
I don't know. When people say DCU, I presume they mean the main DCU, and not any adjacent universes. Maybe we should start using the DCMultiverse term... "
Thats a well made point. "

I thought so too... LOL : )

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#43 Edited By geraldthesloth

@the creator said:

" @geraldthesloth said:
" @the creator said:
" What about anyone from the wildstorm universe ? "
I didn't know they counted, but if they did I'd be tempted to add Majestic in my list. "
Well they are one of the 52 part multiverse. And Majestic was who I had in mind : ) "

Hah! that is true, isn't it? dang

Goes to edit list.

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#44 Edited By geraldthesloth

@geraldthesloth said:

" I'll see what I can do here..

Brainiac 5
Metron
Darkseid
T.O. Morrow
Dr Sivana
Mr. Terrific
Himon
Dr Irons
TAO
Majestic
"

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#45 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000

my list
lucifer
batman
lex luther
braniac
darkseid
metron

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#46 Edited By morpheus_ Moderator

@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" my listlucifer batman lex luther braniac darkseid metron "

You forgot Dream. :P

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#47 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000

@Morpheus_:
lawl i did

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#48 Edited By Son_of_Magnus

@OhTru: Deathstroke is still a better tactician strategist and planner mutha fu@$@ uses 90% of his brain

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#49 Edited By AtPhantom

Also, I think we should differentiate between humans and Gods/Abstracts. Lucifer/Darkseid/Himon/Dream understand the universe on far more levels than normal humans or aliens do.

Or maybe I'm just overthinking this thread.

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