My problem with Marvel, and why DC is so much better.

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#1 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio

Many of Marvel's characters are just cheap rip-offs of DC's. So are many of their teams and events. Also I find their books to be rather boring and try-too-hard.

DC however is very original. Without DC, Marvel wouldn't exist. DC's books are interesting, well-written, and amazing. They don't have to try hard for great comic books. They just have to try a little.

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#2 Posted by SavageHulk (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk no see logic in what you say.

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#3 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (9190 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool story bro.

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#4 Posted by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh god. Another friggin' one of these.

I guess I should just accept that the stereotype of "Marvel rips off of DC....blah blah unoriginal" and whatnot will always exist.

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#5 Posted by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL

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#6 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Edited by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

Could you please name there events and characters that are ripoffs? And also the reasoning behind you calling them a ripoff.

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#8 Posted by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

@twix_right_side I know it's annoying, but it's true.

Except that it isn't.

This just seems like another desperate,and corny ass attempt at undermining Marvel...as usual.

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#9 Edited by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@matthewparker:

Iron Man: almost exact same story as Batman.

Nova: almost exact same powers as Green Lantern. Also, there is a Nova Corps.

Deadpool: His name is Wade Wilson. Deathstroke's is Slade Wilson. They're both mercenaries.

Secret Invasion: Complete ripoff of a DC event in the 80's. Can't remember what it was called, though.

I could name a lot more.

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#10 Posted by RedLantern23 (898 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson: newsflash, DC rips off Marvel just as much. Most of it happened decades ago anyway. What does that have to do with either company's current product?

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@patriotperson said:

@twix_right_side I know it's annoying, but it's true.

DC wasn't the very first comic book publisher. Both DC and Marvel copy each other from time to time. Namor flew before Superman for example. The Shadow existed before Batman.

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#14 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson said:

@matthewparker:

Iron Man: almost exact same story as Batman.

Nova: almost exact same powers as Green Lantern. Also, there is a Nova Corps.

Deadpool: His name is Wade Wilson. Deathstroke's is Slade Wilson. They're both mercenaries.

Secret Invasion: Complete ripoff of a DC event in the 80's. Can't remember what it was called, though.

I could name a lot more.

Yes,because Batman was kidnapped by Terrorists,and had to build a suit of armor to survive while being an alcoholic. That is about the same time he exposed his identity to the world,too.

Nova's powers.....are barely like Hal's. Both are cosmic,yes. The Nova Corps was based off of the GL corps (I think),but that doesn't mean that he's an unoriginal "rip-off".

Deadpool was intentionally created as a pastiche to Deathstroke. However,as time (and his popularity) grew,his similarities to Deathstoke lessened.

.....Uh huh. Sure.

Thanks for showing me how much you know. Much appreciated,and EXACTLY how I figured.

I have never seen an argument crying about "originality" and "rip offs" (like ones concerning Marvel and DC) that didn't rely on tenuous links.

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#15 Posted by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson: also how is ironman like batman? They only thing the have in common is that there both rich. Even if secret invasion is a ripoff it was obviously better then the DC event since you can't remember the DC event name. Deadpool is a spoof of death stroke not a ripoff.

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#16 Posted by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

And I'm guessing people forget about The Shadow and Batman....or with Superman.

Yet no one calls them "rip offs" (even though that term is incredibly dismissive and is just a cheap way of undermining characters that people have no clue about).

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#17 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@redlantern23 Funny how you attack DC, yet your username is RedLantern23.

@matthewparker X-Men and Doom Patrol, Mockingbird and Black Canary, Namor and Aquaman, Hawkeye and Green Arrow... that's all I can think of right now.

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#18 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

And reading the OP makes me cry. It almost screams of ignorance and DC bias....with a hint of insecurity.

Undermining troll 1/10

I mean,we get "Marvel rips off of DC" threads every friggin month.

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#19 Posted by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

DC copyed aquaman off namor get it right. Also zattana is a copy of scarlet witch

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#20 Edited by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson: he's not attacking dc, he's a intelligent person. Also you still havnt said how ironman is the Same as batman

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#21 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio

Woah, woah, woah, calm down. It's just my opinion. Attacking me isn't going to sway a thing.

Listen. Marvel does have their great things. And I do know DC has copied them. All comic book companies do that; it's just how business works.

And what are you doing in the DC forum if you're such a Marvel fan, anyway?

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#22 Posted by TheAmazingImmortalMan (4628 posts) - - Show Bio

Troll......a bad one at that

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#23 Posted by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson: bro you attack marvel, marvel fans, and rationale dc fans will defend. Don't make bait threads and then try to act so innocent. Also I'm still waiting for the reasoning behind ironman being a copy of batman

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#24 Posted by XxEdward_KenwayXx (672 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude just stop. I'm a DC fan, and I hate it when people make threads that bash on DC or say that marvel is superior to DC. So, I'm pretty sure people don't like it when they get threads like these that have people bashing on marvel, or saying that they're inferior to DC. Both fan bases have to start hating on one another.

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#25 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by FearTheLiving (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson: You do know the Green Arrow was pretty much a rip-off of Batman right? Complete with billions of dollars, arrow cave, arrow plane (that was a car), and his own boy wonder sidekick.

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#27 Posted by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio
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@patriotperson said:

@redlantern23 Funny how you attack DC, yet your username is RedLantern23.

@matthewparker X-Men and Doom Patrol, Mockingbird and Black Canary, Namor and Aquaman, Hawkeye and Green Arrow... that's all I can think of right now.

Yet the X-men have grown into so much more than DP "rip-offs",although they have taken a lot of inspiration from them.

The only similarity with Hawkeye/Green Arrow is that they are both white archers. And why isn't Green Arrow seen as a "rip off" to Robin Hood,or friggin Batman? He did have an Arrow car,and an Arrowcave at the time of his inception.

The only similarity that Namor and Aquaman have is that they both have general strength,speed,amphibious,etc and they are kings of Atlantis. Other than that......

Wouldn't that make them both "rip offs" of Poseidon?

And didn't Namor get created in 1939? When was Aquaman created? 1941?

In what way is Mockingbird like Black Canary? Does she have some metahuman power that I'm unaware of? They're both fighters (so are most street levelers). Both are women (Do I even have to name the number of comic women). Both are white.....

Okay....that's a horribly uninformed way of dismissing the characters.

Also,a username doesn't indicate that you have a blind allegiance to a character or company.

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#29 Edited by youknowwhattodo (2196 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson: Can you expand on the idea that DC doesn't have to try hard to make great stories but Marvel does?

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#30 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@feartheliving Doesn't matter as much, though. They're both DC.

@matthewparker Fine. If you insist. Stark and Wayne were both the son of billionaire CEO parents who died in some tragic way. These deaths made the boys (Tony and Bruce) take ownership of the companies. Both Stark and Wayne use money and equipment to make themselves a superhero.

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#32 Posted by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

DC copyed aquaman off namor get it right. Also zattana is a copy of scarlet witch

I wouldn't even call Zatanna a copy of SW either.

People need to pay attention A LOT more to a characters differences to appreciate them,rather than point out similarities....otherwise we'd make weak arguments on the tenuous links....like the OP's.

I mean,Hawkeye and Green Arrow are literally just friggin' archers for Christs sakes. Yet people call the one made after a "rip off".

Dude just stop. I'm a DC fan, and I hate it when people make threads that bash on DC or say that marvel is superior to DC. So, I'm pretty sure people don't like it when they get threads like these that have people bashing on marvel, or saying that they're inferior to DC. Both fan bases have to start hating on one another.

Thank you.

Troll......a bad one at that

This

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5a162dd41dd64 (8662 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43763 posts) - - Show Bio

Not gonna lie I kinda agree. Marvel characters are a bunch of ripoffs

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#35 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Edited by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

@twix_right_side: I wouldn't either, I'm just saying dc has similar characters to marvels original characters also.

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#37 Posted by MatthewParker (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson: finally thank you. The rode that brought them to where they are now is vastly different, there power sets aren't even similar, but I'm glad you finally said it.

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#38 Posted by tensor (8676 posts) - - Show Bio

@patriotperson:
Let me help you with the list.

Green Arrow- Hawkeye

Brainiac - Ultron

Starro - Shuma-Gorath

Darkseid - Thanos

Plastic Man - Reed Richards

Flash - Quicksilver

Superman - Hyperion,Sentry and Gladiator

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@tensor: @patriotperson:

Let me help you with the list.

Green Arrow- Hawkeye

Brainiac - Ultron

Starro - Shuma-Gorath

Darkseid - Thanos

Plastic Man - Reed Richards

Flash - Quicksilver

Superman - Hyperion,Sentry and Gladiator

Atom - Hank Pym

Justice League - Avengers

ClayFace - Sandman

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#42 Posted by FearTheLiving (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

@feartheliving Doesn't matter as much, though. They're both DC.

lol of course it matters if, you're going to go around and cry fowl of other "rip-offs" you most certainly have to look at the company's own characters that they "ripped-off" each other. Green Arrow started out as a cookie cutter Batman and they've even came out and said that they were essentially trying to make another Batman.

Aside from that if you're going to breakdown an entire character to sheer basics a lot of characters are "rip-offs" of one another.

Personally I don't agree and can't stand the word "rip-off" because it's thrown around willy nilly and it takes a lot more to be a "rip-off" then the most simplistic of reasoning behind it. I'm sure a lot of characters were inspired by those basic ideas/concepts but they all evolve into their own characters and are wildly different.

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#43 Posted by TheAmazingImmortalMan (4628 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, I understand having a preference but to say one company is inferior to the other is pure opinion. I love both companies, sure I may prefer Marvel (I'm an X-Men guy) but Superman is my favorite hero. It's ok to like both people, there does not have to be any hate or troll threads like this being made.

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#44 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio

SEE

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#45 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

@feartheliving Doesn't matter as much, though. They're both DC.

@matthewparker Fine. If you insist. Stark and Wayne were both the son of billionaire CEO parents who died in some tragic way. These deaths made the boys (Tony and Bruce) take ownership of the companies. Both Stark and Wayne use money and equipment to make themselves a superhero.

That's called a double standard. You must apply the same rules and scrutiny to DC.

Do you have any friggin' idea how many comic characters have had parents that have died in tragic ways? Hawkeye is one. So is Barney Barton.

How many comic characters use money/equipment to make themselves heroes? Oh yeah,because these two are the ONLY ones to do it. They pretty much copyrighted the idea.

Here,let me try:

Kyle Rayner is a rip off of Spider Man because:

  • Both are white and middle class
  • Both have had many Girlfriends who have suffered
  • Both are super heroes that are associated with their premier super hero teams
  • Both have powers

Thus Kyle Rayner is a rip off of Spider man.

Static Shock is a rip off of Blue Beetle because both are young,wise-cracking minority superheroes who have powers and fight for the greater good.

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#47 Posted by PatriotPerson (165 posts) - - Show Bio

This was never meant to be a hate or troll thread. Just a while back I said Marvel had great things.

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#48 Posted by RisingBean (9876 posts) - - Show Bio

@redlantern23 Funny how you attack DC, yet your username is RedLantern23.

@matthewparker X-Men and Doom Patrol, Mockingbird and Black Canary, Namor and Aquaman, Hawkeye and Green Arrow... that's all I can think of right now.

My guess is Red Lantern "attacks DC" in your eyes because he calls out BS?

Namor debuted in April 1939, Aquaman in November 1941. Green Arrow is a knock off based on Robin Hood.

And your making this thread has outed yourself as either ignorant or a hypocrite.

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#49 Edited by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

@tensor said:

@tensor: @patriotperson:

Let me help you with the list.

Green Arrow- Hawkeye

Brainiac - Ultron

Starro - Shuma-Gorath

Darkseid - Thanos

Plastic Man - Reed Richards

Flash - Quicksilver

Superman - Hyperion,Sentry and Gladiator

Atom - Hank Pym

That list was so horribly done. Let me also finish this one for you:

Batman-Blue Marvel

Wonder Woman- Captain Marvel

Mar-vell- Billy Batson

Beta Ray Bill- Martian Manhunter

Flash- Silver Surfer,Runner

Kryptonians- Eternals

Antimonitor- Galactus

Superman-Thor

Green Lantern- Star Brand (Marvel NOW)

Iron Man- Wonder Woman

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#50 Posted by Twix_Right_Side (2406 posts) - - Show Bio

The ignorance in this thread plagues my soul.

Why did I even come here?

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