Couldn't have said it better myself

I would reply, but honestly it has been 6 days and I lost all interest I've had in this discussion. You have your opinion the matter, I have mine and it's obvious we have seemed to reach an impasse so it's not even worth my time anymore.

Also I honestly don't see how I was being "hostel", but whatever. Good day sir.

Luke is the GOAT Force Sensitive, agreed?

Would put Jacen over Yoda & Palpatine.

On top of that he's stood toe to toe with Abeloth.

And Anakin at his full potential would've been where Luke is who is said to be as powerful as a fully realized Anakin.

@jnr6lil:

Luke is the GOAT Force Sensitive, agreed?

Would put Jacen over Yoda & Palpatine.

On top of that he's stood toe to toe with Abeloth.

And Anakin at his full potential would've been where Luke is who is said to be as powerful as a fully realized Anakin.

Jacen is not more powerful then Yoda and he is certinly not more powerful then Palpatine.

@dccomicsrule2011: He is. Yoda & Sidious are both overrated

No they're not. Yoda is canonically the most powerful up until Luke and Sidious is canonically the most powerful Sith.

Besides statement, they also out-weigh him in the feat department as well.

@dccomicsrule2011: Yoda's major feats were against Dooku & Sidious.

@jnr6lil: Please tell me what feats Jacen have that supersede Palpatine, even after he has been labelled as the most powerful Sith Lord in history by many sources:

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.Source: The New Essential Chronology

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.

Source: Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.

Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook

And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness. A black hole of the Force.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

Source: Dark Empire Sourcebook

@jnr6lil said:

Luke realized less than a tenth of that.

Only Luke Skywalker could pass him

@talic: Actually Lucas said Luke's power was Anakin's at his full potential.

@shootingnova: He merged with the Force and held his own against Luke.

@jnr6lil:

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I fail to understand this line of reasoning at all. Yoda feats surpass Jecen's. And no, Yoda has alot of other feats besides he duel with Dooku and Palpatine.

@dccomicsrule2011: The man merged with the Force

Oneness is not something he can achieve at will.... Normally he inferior to Yoda.

@dccomicsrule2011: But he did. It showed his force potential.

So has Revan and a few others....Doesn't change the fact that they're inferior to Yoda and it's not something they can do at will.

@dccomicsrule2011: Yoda is overrated

Still nothing to prove he is? Canon has stated Yoda is the greatest Jedi up until Luke.

Canon>>>>>>Your opinion. I would love to see How Yoda is overrated.

Luke would have surpassed The Father, but he didn't.

Oneness is not a voluntary power, nor is it permanent. It's a temporary amp, and Luke has already merged with the Force too, along with Anakin, and numerous others. In fact, Darth Malgus arguably entered such a state.

@dccomicsrule2011: Canon's also stated Jacen could've surpassed Luke

@talic: He defeated Abeloth didn't he, who was more powerful than the Father

@shootingnova: Not merged as in they died.

@jnr6lil:

Canon's also stated Jacen could've surpassed Luke

Where was that stated? Also that doesn't matter we're not arguing potential here anyway,.

@jnr6lil: "Could have" is not an acceptable excuse is a claim. Jacen has no feats on par with Luke Skywalker.

And no, canonically the Father is the most powerful being in SW (well, at least in his prime), because Leland Chee has already stated this:

https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/352618406517809153

That's oneness though.

@shootingnova: Oneness

@jnr6lil: What in the world is that supposed to mean? Luke has entered Oneness before as well, an Oneness is a monumental but temporary amp. It isn't consistent with their showings, and therefore not applicable. You still haven't given me Caedus's feats which surpass Luke's.

in a very long time yes.

yes he would have been heck the guy not even near his full potential managed to subdue the daughter and son at the same time. Such a shame he never kept his memories of that experience. Alas his downfall was his own insecurities and the insecurities of those around him.

Yes. According to the great Holocron detailing the prophecy of the Chosen One; Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful Jedi of all time.

Simply put, yes.