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Who is Dark Schneider?

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Dark Schneider in Base and Majin forms, respectively.

Dark Schneider is the protagonist of the manga Bastard! He is over 400 years old and is a master of most magics in his world (including ancient magics). 15 years prior to the manga he lead an army and nearly conquered the world in 4 years, but was tricked and sealed away inside a child's body. He is brought back when the Kingdom that defeated him needs his help. He is brought back when his vessel is kissed by a virgin.

Once freed, Dark Schneider goes on to save the world from the Four Riders of Havoc - his former generals. Although he eventually turns them back to his side - he is eventually sent to Hell.

In hell Dark Schneider manages to steal the Judas Pain - a jewel made from the blood, tears and pain from Judas which amplifies Dark Schneider's powers millions of times.

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Speed

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Scan 1) Author's description of Seraph Angels. They are FTL.

Scan 2) Dark Schneider (base form) blitzing Konron.

Scan 3) The Seraphs are incapable of seeing Dark Schneider's attack on Konron.

Scan 4) Majin Dark Schneider (Judas Pain active) and Fallen Uriel exchange millions of attacks, counterattacks and movements every second, attempting to break each other's dispel bound.

Scan 5) Dark Schneider (DKL) and Fallen Uriel (Augoeides) exchanging infinite amounts of attacks every instant (Uriel is defeated afterwards)

Exact Seraph speed is fairly easily to calculate. During the time skip of Bastard! "nearly" four years pass. During that time the Seraphs travel from the Black Abyss to Earth, a distance of 28,000 light years. This gives us a bare minimum estimate of Seraph speed at x7000++ FTL. (Given it wasn't quite 4 years and we don't know if they were traveling the entire time) And Dark Schneider was blitzing and moving too fast for these guys to see - in base form. He speed increases millions of times once the Judas Pain are active and another 130x when he fuses with the DKL. (Logically - as he was keeping up with DS, Uriel received similar boosts post-Fallen and Augoeides forms respectively)

Durability

Dispel Bound

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Dark Schneider posses two of the most overpowered defensive spells in fiction. His shields, countless in number, known as Dispel Bound surround his entire body protecting him from every type of attack. Normally, each of these shields have to be broken through one at time before one can harm Dark Schneider (there are a few, extreme exceptions). Still, Dispel Bound has allowed Dark Schneider and Fallen Uriel to survive explosions that have broken the dimensional barriers between Hell and Earth, a force which equals the big bang. The Black Abyss, which is located 28,000 light years away from their battle and has the mass of fifty million suns, is completely destroyed during these explosions.

They are even capable of shielding him from reality warping attacks, such as probability manipulation. They defend against everything you can imagine and everything you cannot. Furthermore if that's not enough - these same shields also regenerate themselves at FTL speed. During his fight with Uriel, Dark Schneider and Uriel were exchanging millions of attacks per second in order to break through each other's dispel bounds and still couldn't do it. Its not until they exchange infinite amounts of attacks every instant that dispel bound is finally bypassed.

Eternal Atoms

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If you thought that was the extent of Dark Schneider's durability - you'd be wrong. Beings such as Dark Schneider possess what are known as Eternal Atoms. Possesed by higher beings such as Archangels, demons and Dark Schneider himself, they are described as the building blocks of life. So long as one of these atoms exist, DS is capable of regenerating completely.

Morever, these atoms exist on three separate planes of existence - the physical, the spiritual and astral - body, soul and mind respectively. This means, unless all three are simultaneously destroyed, he can regenerate the other two.

Essentially, anyone who is not capable of attacking someone spiritually, physically and astral cannot defeat DS.

Dispel Bound protects all three levels of existence by the way.

Regeneration

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Examples of Dark Schneider's inability to die so long as he possess eternal atoms and his ability to regenerate.

Scans 1-2) Dark Schneider's body is blown away and he decides to chill out as a talking head for an extended period of time - because he's an asshole and wanted to watch the Seraphs get their asses kicked.

Scan 3) Dark Schneider's head is blown off and regenerate immediately.

Scan 4) Dark Schneider regenerates his body.

Strength

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Scans 1-2) A description of DS' Golem, who is similar to Omega Abigail. Weights 100,000~ tons.

Scans 3-5) Dark Schneider in base form tosses Omega Abigail. (Keep in mind his strength will multiple millions of times in Majin Form)

Destructive Capability

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Scan 1) The Black Abyss is destroyed as a side effect of DS and Uriel's battle.

Scan 2) Description of the Black Abyss, a super-massive black hole with the equivalent mass of fifty million suns.

Scans 3-4) Reality shatters and the dimension barriers between worlds cracks open.

Scans 5-7) Explanation, with Lucifer stating the power to break the dimension barrier between worlds would take the equivalent power to that of the Big Bang.

Scans 7) The Judas Priest Dark Schneider are capable of destroying the Black Abyss.

Spells

Being a master magician Dark Schneider has a variety of spells in his arsenal with varying level of powers and abilities.

Venom

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Dark Schneider's go-to and signature spell. It summons destructive enzymes from hell which disintegrate the matter of its target.

Summonings

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Dark Schneider is capable of summoning beings to help aid him in fights. Two of his most powerful including a dragon and a 100,000 ton Golem.

Exodus

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A fire attack with a base heat of 20,000 degrees Celsius. The heat is amplified by millions when Dark Schneider has the Judas Priest or is fused with the Dragon Knight Lucifer. The attack in base form was powerful enough to destroy Efreet, who is the Elemental of fire in Bastard!

Halloween

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Dark Schneider opens the gates of hell and releases a powerful energy blast. It is capable of destroying entire armies and cities. This attack is amplified millions of times when Dark Schneider is using the Judas Pain.

Led Zeppelin

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Dark Schneider calls forth souls from Hell that seek to devour its target. Being evil in nature, they can only be stopped by other beings from ehll.

Black Sabbath

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One of Dark Schneider's most powerful spells. As explained by Dark Schneider, Black Sabbath creates a magnetically sealed vacuum - whats known as a spell bound. Matter is then teleported inside the pocket and heated up to a million degrees Celsius. The spell is then transported to another dimension.

Testament

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Testament is a spell originally used by one of Dark Schneider's generals Kal-Su. Testament creates a spell bound around the target of the attack - which is then hit by an absolute zero blast. The movement of atoms are completely stopped and everything within the field is annihilated.

Dark Kain (Majin Form)

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An extremely powerful dark energy blast. The attack easily annihilates Konron - a fallen angel and Viscount of hell.

Judas Priest (Majin Form)

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An extremely powerful attack. The spell simultaneous attack the physical body, the soul and the astral matter, targeting the eternal atoms of the target, effectively erasing it from all existence.

Dragon Knight Lucifer

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One of the most powerful weapons in the Bastard! universe. Also called the L01, the techno-organic weapon fused with magical powers was originally designed to combat against Demons and Angels. The weapon is summoned and then fused with the person using it. Theoretically the weapon has no limits on how powerful it can become and is dependent on the being fusing with it - using said beings power as a type of "fuel". The weapon is intended to be a last-resort weapon as the user cannot unfuse with it.

Demonlisher Gun (Fused with DKL)

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Two of the cannons on the Dragon Knight Lucifer open and fire. This attack is strong enough to cancel out Uriel's Gungnir - which in its base form is capable of destroying a star. In the scans above, the attacks are powerful enough to shatter reality and break the dimension barriers between worlds.

(Chronologically the scans read right to left, manga style :D)

Giran Ira (Fused with DKL)

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Dark Schneider summons a black hole that can absorb opponent's attacks and send them to another dimension. (Again, right to left chronologically)

Loudness All Guns Blazing (Fused with DKL)

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The DKL's nine elemental furnaces are opened and fired simultaneously. The attack is powerful enough to break through Uriel's Dispel Bound in one hit. (Right to left chronologically)

Jaw Breaker Light Wings (Fused with DKL)

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The Dragon Knight Lucifer takes flight and charges. The attack was capable of shattering the dimensional wall and reality. (Right to left chronologically)

Bloodstone (Fused with DKL)

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Bloodstone creates a cursed space around Dark Schneider. All of the damage inflicted upon DS will be returned to the attacker with equal and proportional intensity. (Right to left chronologically)

**Note**In the 7th chronological scan (1st scan in order) Dark Schneider and Uriel are exchanging infinite amounts of attacks every instant.

Adam of Darkness Form

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Dark Schneider's latest and most mysterious form. Although not many details are known about it - DS was able recreate Uriel's dead sister, the Angel Amrael - both body and soul - from only his memory of her. This is something the Seraphs believed only God was capable of.

Miscellaneous

Telepathy: DS demonstrates the power to read minds on several occasions. Here's one:

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Energy Absortion: DS has the capability to absorb energy. This includes Michael's God Hard' (a supernova level attack). With the Judas Pain active he can also absorb energy infinite and use it to create and empower his body.

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Senses: DS has senses that are enhanced several thousand times.

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Size Manipulation: DS can alter the size of his body

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Cloning: DS has the ability to split his body into several dozens clones

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Precognition/Sharingan: ...DS can use Sharingan

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TLDR:

Speed: In base form he has moved too fast for beings who are x7000+ FTL to see. In Majin Form he is capable of attacking millions of times per second. With the DKL he is capable of attacking infinite amounts of times every instant

Strength: 100,000 tonner in base form. Millions of times stronger in Majin and another 130x stronger with the DKL.

Power: In base form he has city level attacks, possibly planetary. In Majin he has the power to destroy galaxies. In DKL he has generated the power equivalent to that of the big bang.

Durability: Big Bang level durability. Can regenerate on an atomic level if any part of his physical body, soul or astral matter exists. Has countless forcefields which ban any/all types of attacks.

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If you see any mistakes and/or would like to add anything, please let me know and I will change them ASAP!

Thank you.

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Damn this guy is powerful. How good is Darsh's physical strength?

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@shiryu: Sorry for the late reply!

His striking strength I believe is pretty high, 100+ tons iirc. I'm currently rereading bastard though so I will have to wait to post the scan.

That being said, he is a dark wizard, therefore most/all of his attacks are magically in nature - certainly his most powerful ones. They will be his go-to attacks.

Also. I edited the OP to include new scans thanks to @reikai. In it details the energy needed to bring the barriers between Heaven and Hell is equal to that of the big bang. Uriel and Dark Schneider break this barrier during their fight - although it is only for a fraction of a second.

Still not perfect, but I'm working on it. So if anyone sees something I missed, let me know. @princearagorn1

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@fallschirmjager: Two things,

one: I'd say just add the seraphs 7000x ftl calc directly. It isn't much of a calc, distance of 28000 lightyears is given, time of 4 years is given, dividing the two isn't much of a calc. People kind of don't trust it when it's called 'calc' lol

Two: As for strength, didn't he throw omega abigail pre-ts? you could add that.

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@princearagorn1: @shiryu: Found the scans of DS tossing Omega Abigail in base form.

100,000 ton feat - and you're right. This was before Majin power up (which would amplify him millions of times lol)

He's not lacking physical strength.

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@princearagorn1: @shiryu: Found the scans of DS tossing Omega Abigail in base form.

100,000 ton feat - and you're right. This was before Majin power up (which would amplify him millions of times lol)

He's not lacking physical strength.

glad to help :)

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Bump. Because I reached thousand images :)

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@princearagorn1: @reikaiFinal bump.

Ok. Finished my reread of Bastard! and the Respect thread should be flawless now.

I added a couple spells I forgot including Led Zeppelin, Testament and Jaw Breaker. I also added details of the Judas Pain, Demolition Gun - his regen capabilities and the scan of Darshe and Uriel exchanging infinite attacks every instant.

...I was debating weather or not to put his rape of Porno...but thought better of it (lololol)

Also...Sharingan!

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Has the manga progressed anymore? He should be getting even more ridiculous power amps in the future.

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@kingofash: only 27 volumes that I know of. I think the writer has health issues so releases are slow.

he should be getting more crazy powers though yeah. Especially given that he just rebirth-ed a freaking Angel after his fight with Uriel lol

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@fallschirmjager: Health issue isn't good. But the series will confront him with God, so his powers will rise when more comes out.

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This guy is easily above skyfather level.

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Schneider is one of the most overpowered characters in manga.

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Schneider is one of the most overpowered characters in manga.

Meh. Overpowered is relative. Characters are usually as powerful as the opponents they battle. DS literally goes to war with Heaven and Hell, Angels and Demons, God and Satan. He's going to be powerful as a result.

There are more powerful Manga characters too.

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@fallschirmjager:

First, thanks for making this great respect thread; a lot of people here at comicvine need to respect the awesomeness that is DS! I'm a huge Bastard!! fan and I've even managed to collect 16 out of the 19 English language volumes, which was somewhat difficult because they're all out of print. With that being said, some of the things you've posted here need to be corrected. (Also, just to give you some advice, it would be very helpful if you identified the volume and chapter # where you got the scans because then people could actually read the scans in context for themselves.)

Scan 2) Dark Schneider (base form) blitzing Konron. Konron had previously shrugged off all 4 seraph angels, including attacks from all of them simultaneously and extensive attacks from Uriel.

While it is true that Konron managed to fight off 4 Seraph class angels, you can't use the fact that DS beat Konron to power scale DS. It's not as simple as Dark Schneider > Konron > Seraph angels. The reason why you can't power scale in this situation is because Konron did not beat the Seraph angels in a straightforward fight, rather Konron used a technique called "void howling" to simply nullify the divine power of the angels. From volume 20, chapter 107-108:

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Therefore, Konron beat the Seraph angels because he used a technique that simply nullified their divine power, not because he was stronger than them. Dark Schneider was able to beat Konron because his powers are demonic in nature and are not affected by Konron's void howling technique. If it were not for Konron's void howling technique the Seraph angels would have crushed him just like DS was able to.

Scan 4) Majin Dark Schneider (Judas Pain active) and Fallen Uriel exchange millions of attacks, counterattacks and movements every second, attempting to break each other's dispel bound.

I think you should take some of these fan translations with a grain of salt. Bastard!! has only been translated up to volume 19 in English and the fans who translate these scans aren't professionals, so it's almost impossible to verify their work. However, I suppose it isn't completely inconceivable that DS and Fallen Uriel are moving this fast considering that DS blitzed Konron so fast that Michael, the strongest of the Seraph angels who is at least 7,000x FTL was unable to see what happened. Still, we don't actually know for certain what this scan says.

Scan 5) Dark Schneider (DKL) and Fallen Uriel (Augoeides) exchanging infinite amounts of attacks every instant (Uriel is defeated afterwards)

This is almost certainly incorrect. I very seriously doubt that we should literally believe that Fallen Uriel and Dark Schneider are exchanging an "infinite amount of attacks every second." First, because there's no precedent in the manga for anyone else being fast enough to strike an infinite amount of times; and second because the person who says that DS and Fallen Uriel are exchanging infinite attacks is Gala. Gala is a mere human who is nowhere near the level of DS or Fallen Uriel. Why should we believe that Gala has the ability to quantify the amount of exchanges between DS and Fallen Uriel? In any event, again, we don't have the accurate translation because this is only a fan translation.

Dark Schneider posses two of the most overpowered defensive spells in fiction. His shields, countless in number, known as Dispel Bound surround his entire body protecting him from every type of attack. Normally, each of these shields have to be broken through one at time before one can harm Dark Schneider (there are a few, extreme exceptions). Still, Dispel Bound has allowed Dark Schneider and Fallen Uriel to survive explosions that have broken the dimensional barriers between Hell and Earth, a force which equals the big bang. The Black Abyss, which is located 28,000 light years away from their battle and has the mass of fifty million suns, is completely destroyed during these explosions.

They are even capable of shielding him from reality warping attacks, such as probability manipulation. They defend against everything you can imagine and everything you cannot. Furthermore if that's not enough - these same shields also regenerate themselves at FTL speed. During his fight with Uriel, Dark Schneider and Uriel were exchanging millions of attacks per second in order to break through each other's dispel bounds and still couldn't do it. Its not until they exchange infinite amounts of attacks every instant that dispel bound is finally bypassed.

There are a couple of things you say here that are not quite correct. First, I'll explain what Dispel Bound is and how it works; second, I'll explain how it can be bypassed; and third, I'll clarify some things about the Black Abyss.

Dispel Bound is an automatic, passive defense system composed of a very large number of magical shields (and because we don't have an official translation it's not clear how many shields there are but we know there are a lot). It's an automatic defense system because it is always on even without the conscious or unconscious will of the user and it is a passive system because it doesn't attack the opponent actively it just passively defends the user. Furthermore, Dispel Bound is both a general and a specific defense system. It is a general defense system because all the shields must be broken to attack the user in any way and it is a specific defense system because each shield protects the user from a specific attack. (Also, the shields auto-regenerate at FTL speeds and Dispel Bound can be extended to those around the user like when DS uses it to protect the humans during his fight with Fallen Uriel.) Dispel Bound works like this: Dispel Bound creates a region around someone that nullifies abilities, in contrast to a spell bound which creates a region around someone or something that creates magical attacks. And this is important: Dispel Bound does not just nullify attacks, it nullifies abilities like regeneration, time manipulation, etc. So, for example, let's say you wanted to use telepathy against Dark Schneider. In order to do so you couldn't just destroy the shield that protects DS against telepathy, you would have to destroy every Dispel Bound shield and then use telepathy. And you would have to do this before any of the shields auto-regenerated.

Now, from what I remember there are only three ways to get around Dispel Bound: 1) You can be fast enough to destroy all the shields one-by-one and attack your opponent before the shields auto-regenerate; 2) You can destroy all the shields at once and then directly attack your opponent; or 3) You can simply be much stronger than the person using Dispel Bound (this 3rd one must be true otherwise Dispel Bound becomes a no limit fallacy). The first requires that you have insane speed and the second/third requires that you have insane power. This is how Raphael explains the first method in volume 22, chapter 121:

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Now, here are some examples in the manga where Dispel Bound was broken. Volume 22, chapter 121-122

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Dark Schneider's Dispel Bound stopped Uriel from regenerating. Then DS attacked Fallen Uriel several times directly, followed by Judas Priest which directly attacked his Eternal Atoms.

Now, here's an example of Fallen Uriel in his Augoeides form simply destroying Dark Schneider's Dispel Bound with one attack (this is from volume 23, chapter 125):

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As you can see, this was not a high speed attack but was rather one powerful attack. Fallen Uriel's attack was so powerful that it completely deactivated the Judas Pain (which is a hell of a feat) and seriously injured Dark Schneider.

Now, let me explain some things about the Black Abyss. A lot of what we know about the Black Abyss is very confusing for a couple a reasons: first, Kazushi Hagiwara lost his original notes, which is the reason why there's a 4 year time skip between volume 18 and volume 19. That time skip is not supposed to be there, lol. Second, the Black Abyss is confusing because it's actually 2 things. The Black Abyss is the name of a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy, which is equivalent to 50 million solar masses, and the Black Abyss is the name of a dimension sealed inside that black hole which is supposed to be hell. So, on one hand, the Black Abyss is a 50 million solar mass supermassive black hole and, on the other hand, it is a dimension sealed inside that black hole. Now, the Black Abyss--the black hole--is located in the center of the galaxy, but the dimension inside the black hole permeates space and time because...it is a dimension. Just because you destroy the dimensional barrier which keeps hell sealed inside the black hole does NOT mean that you destroy the black hole itself and vice versa. Basically, here's what I'm saying: Destroying the black hole only requires galaxy-level power but destroying the dimension sealed inside the black hole requires WAY more power than that. Furthermore, the Black Abyss--the dimensional barrier that separates hell from our world--was already extremely weak. This means that it requires less power to destroy it than if it was 100% strengthened. Therefore, you're absolutely wrong to claim that Dark Schneider and/or Fallen Uriel have the power of a big bang explosion.

Here in volume 17, chapter 97 we can already see that the Black Abyss--the dimensional barrier between hell and the outside world--is weakening:

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Basically, here's what happened. Uriel is tasked with patrolling the Black Abyss--the dimensional barrier. He's supposed to make sure nothing amiss is going on. However, Uriel's assistants realize that something is happening with the Black Abyss and contact Uriel. Uriel arrives and he realizes that the Black Abyss is weakening. He even states, "Seems the bolts on the gates of hell were a little loose," in the last scan. Uriel says this wasn't completely unexpected but what scares him, and everybody else, is that it's happening too soon. Apparently God decreed that Satan would be sealed inside the Black Abyss for 1,000 years but only 400 years have passed and yet the Black Abyss is weakening. This is why Satan was able to escape the Black Abyss.

A couple chapters later in volume 18, chapter 100 we see that the Black Abyss has weakened so much that Satan is now able to escape:

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As we can see from these two scans, Satan has materialized in our world by passing through the gate of hell sealed inside the Black Abyss. Now, we don't exactly know what happened after Satan escaped because there's a 4 year time skip between volume 18 and volume 19 but we do know some things happened: 1) Satan escaped from the Black Abyss; 2) Satan attacked Uriel and destroyed the Sandalphon (Uriel's battle ship); 3) Satan is making his way towards Earth--presumably to take care of some unfinished business with Dark Schneider who is the Adam of Darkness and who stole the 7 fragments of the Judas Pain from Satan's demon kings. But what remains unclear is how Dark Schneider was able to escape hell in the first place.

Also, here's some more evidence of just how weak the Black Abyss was (this is from volume 20, chapter 106 ):

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4 years after Satan escaped from the Black Abyss, the 4 Seraphim angles, Michael, Raphael, Uriel and Gabriel find themselves on Earth. This is where they meet Konron. As you can see from the scans, particularly scan 4, when Uriel throws Gungnir he actually breaks part of the dimensional barrier of the Black Abyss. And this is Uriel in base form even though he's using a star-busting attack. Raphael even remarks, "The distinct area dimensional shield is falling apart." In other words, the Black Abyss was so weak at this point that you didn't need an explosion with the force of the big bang to break apart the Black Abyss.

However, I will say this: when Dark Schneider and Fallen Uriel were fighting they didn't just break a distinct area of the Black Abyss like Uriel did with Gungnir against Konron, they actually did destroy the Black Abyss. But as the scan below shows, they only destroyed it for a brief moment.

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As you can see, Michael states, "They really destroyed the wall of hell...even if it was just for a brief moment." (This scan comes from Volume 24, chapter 130.)

So, in conclusion, not only was the Black Abyss--the dimensional barrier--already extremely weak (weak enough to be destroyed in certain areas by a star-busting attack) but Dark Schneider and Fallen Uriel did NOT even completely destroy it. They just destroyed it for a brief moment. With that being said, if the Judas Pain puts Majin Dark Schneider on the level of the Black Abyss--the supermassive black holes equivalent to 50 million solar masses--then with the DKL he is at the very least multi-galaxy level+. I can say this with confidence because even if the the Black Abyss was weakened, destroying it, even if for a brief moment, is still rather impressive and Fallen Uriel in his Augoeides form became 130x more powerful than he was in his base form, which means the DKL had to be incredibly powerful to defeat him.

Also, one final thing you said about Dark Schneider's spell, Black Sabbath:

One of Dark Schneider's most powerful spells. As explained by Dark Schneider, Black Sabbath creates a magnetically sealed vacuum - essentially a pocket universe and held together by a magical barrier. Matter is then teleported inside the pocket and heated up to a million degrees Celsius. The spell is then transported to another dimension.

Black Sabbath does not open up a pocket universe. In Bastard!! dimensions and universes are not the same thing. In Bastard!! a dimension is an aspect of reality, it is not another universe like it is in Marvel, for example. That's why Hell is never described as another universe but is described as a dimension. Black Sabbath works by creating a magnetically sealed vacuum, in which matter exists. Then DS teleports matter--presumably his target--into the magnetically sealed vacuum and the resultant collision between the atoms trying to occupy the same space causes nuclear fission and "neutron disintegration," basically the disintegration of matter at the sub-atomic level. After everything inside the magnetically sealed vacuum is undergone "neutron disintegration," DS then BFR's whatever is inside the magnetically sealed vacuum into another dimension.

The main reason why I decided to write this was because I've seen people using scans and arguments taken from this thread to argue things like, "Dark Schneider is universal," which is NOT true. Dark Schneider is certainly very powerful, but as of right now, based on feats and power scaling DS is, at most, a multi-galaxy buster with very hax defensive and offensive magical abilities.

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@uberhikari: Lots of things to address.

Also, just to give you some advice, it would be very helpful if you identified the volume and chapter # where you got the scans because then people could actually read the scans in context for themselves

I saved the scans as I was reading and did not label them by chapter or volume. If you want to provide numbers I'll happily edit them in, but it took me about a month as is to read over and collect as many scans as possible. Its not perfect, nothing is, I know, but I simply do not have time to do so again right now. Maybe in the future.

While it is true that Konron managed to fight off 4 Seraph class angels, you can't use the fact that DS beat Konron to power scale DS. It's not as simple as Dark Schneider > Konron > Seraph angels. The reason why you can't power scale in this situation is because Konron did not beat the Seraph angels in a straightforward fight, rather Konron used a technique called "void howling" to simply nullify the divine power of the angels. From volume 20, chapter 107-108:

I wasn't power scaling him. I was merely demonstrating speed with the comment, nothing more. It was a very fast attack, given that Konlon and the Seraphs couldn't see it.

I think you should take some of these fan translations with a grain of salt. Bastard!! has only been translated up to volume 19 in English and the fans who translate these scans aren't professionals, so it's almost impossible to verify their work. However, I suppose it isn't completely inconceivable that DS and Fallen Uriel are moving this fast considering that DS blitzed Konron so fast that Michael, the strongest of the Seraph angels who is at least 7,000x FTL was unable to see what happened. Still, we don't actually know for certain what this scan says.

I don't speak Japanese. And just because its a fan translation doesn't automatically make it wrong. Unless you can prove otherwise, I'm going to stick with it. There's no reason not to until evidence to contradict it is given. And Raphael is the one explaining the clash, one of the Archangels. There isn't really a reason to doubt it if you have no concrete evidence to contradict it.

This is almost certainly incorrect. I very seriously doubt that we should literally believe that Fallen Uriel and Dark Schneider are exchanging an "infinite amount of attacks every second." First, because there's no precedent in the manga for anyone else being fast enough to strike an infinite amount of times; and second because the person who says that DS and Fallen Uriel are exchanging infinite attacks is Gala. Gala is a mere human who is nowhere near the level of DS or Fallen Uriel. Why should we believe that Gala has the ability to quantify the amount of exchanges between DS and Fallen Uriel? In any event, again, we don't have the accurate translation because this is only a fan translation.

Again. Unless you can translate it, there's no reason to say otherwise. The author can do whatever he wants, and isn't exactly known for being realistic. DS regularly breaks the 4th wall. Why shouldn't I believe it when no one can prove it otherwise? If a proper translation comes out and fixes it, then I will fix it. Until then, its the only thing I have. I'm not going to disregard something just because it was a fan translation. There are SEVERAL good groups out there doing fan translations for manga and anime. Claiming its inaccurate on that reason alone isn't true if you can't read Japanese yourself.

Moreover the art seems to depict a very high speed collision taking place. Its not exactly absurb to think that is what's happening, given they all ready did millions of attacks, counters and movements every second.

There are a couple of things you say here that are not quite correct. First, I'll explain what Dispel Bound is and how it works; second, I'll explain how it can be bypassed; and third, I'll clarify some things about the Black Abyss.

Dispel Bound is an automatic, passive defense system composed of a very large number of magical shields (and because we don't have an official translation it's not clear how many shields there are but we know there are a lot). It's an automatic defense system because it is always on even without the conscious or unconscious will of the user and it is a passive system because it doesn't attack the opponent actively it just passively defends the user. Furthermore, Dispel Bound is both a general and a specific defense system. It is a general defense system because all the shields must be broken to attack the user in any way and it is a specific defense system because each shield protects the user from a specific attack. (Also, the shields auto-regenerate at FTL speeds and Dispel Bound can be extended to those around the user like when DS uses it to protect the humans during his fight with Fallen Uriel.) Dispel Bound works like this: Dispel Bound creates a region around someone that nullifies abilities, in contrast to a spell bound which creates a region around someone or something that creates magical attacks. And this is important: Dispel Bound does not just nullify attacks, it nullifies abilities like regeneration, time manipulation, etc. So, for example, let's say you wanted to use telepathy against Dark Schneider. In order to do so you couldn't just destroy the shield that protects DS against telepathy, you would have to destroy every Dispel Bound shield and then use telepathy. And you would have to do this before any of the shields auto-regenerated.

Now, from what I remember there are only three ways to get around Dispel Bound: 1) You can be fast enough to destroy all the shields one-by-one and attack your opponent before the shields auto-regenerate; 2) You can destroy all the shields at once and then directly attack your opponent; or 3) You can simply be much stronger than the person using Dispel Bound (this 3rd one must be true otherwise Dispel Bound becomes a no limit fallacy). The first requires that you have insane speed and the second/third requires that you have insane power. This is how Raphael explains the first method in volume 22, chapter 121:

I know fully well what Dispel Bound is. My summary is just that, a summary. The scans are fully provided for anyone to read them, if someone wants to know details of each mechanics. I didn't want to flood the respect thread with walls of text, because no one would read it.

Are their inconsistency? Of course there are - there always is with everyone - but that doesn't' change the fact that Dispel Bound are largely unbeatable. Despite all the scans you show of dispel bound being defeated, not once is Uriel or Darshe ever in danger of dying. Moreover, The Archangels who are considerable less powerful offensively are present for all of these fights - and none of them come close to dying either. Dispel Bound might have been defeated for mere moments, but they are otherwise completely find the next moments. This means even on occasion when Dispel bound was defeated, it regenerated so quickly there was no opportunity to take advantage.

The battle is never decided until their final clash. And EVEN THEN, Uriel didn't die. Darshe was completely unharmed and its not until he rebirths Amrael (which if you want to argue powerscaling is easily his highest feat in terms of what that makes for his power level) that Uriel finally (imo) gives up his rage and dies.

Now, let me explain some things about the Black Abyss. A lot of what we know about the Black Abyss is very confusing for a couple a reasons: first, Kazushi Hagiwara lost his original notes, which is the reason why there's a 4 year time skip between volume 18 and volume 19. That time skip is not supposed to be there, lol. Second, the Black Abyss is confusing because it's actually 2 things. The Black Abyss is the name of a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy, which is equivalent to 50 million solar masses, and the Black Abyss is the name of a dimension sealed inside that black hole which is supposed to be hell. So, on one hand, the Black Abyss is a 50 million solar mass supermassive black hole and, on the other hand, it is a dimension sealed inside that black hole. Now, the Black Abyss--the black hole--is located in the center of the galaxy, but the dimension inside the black hole permeates space and time because...it is a dimension. Just because you destroy the dimensional barrier which keeps hell sealed inside the black hole does NOT mean that you destroy the black hole itself and vice versa. Basically, here's what I'm saying: Destroying the black hole only requires galaxy-level power but destroying the dimension sealed inside the black hole requires WAY more power than that. Furthermore, the Black Abyss--the dimensional barrier that separates hell from our world--was already extremely weak. This means that it requires less power to destroy it than if it was 100% strengthened. Therefore, you're absolutely wrong to claim that Dark Schneider and/or Fallen Uriel have the power of a big bang explosion.

Here in volume 17, chapter 97 we can already see that the Black Abyss--the dimensional barrier between hell and the outside world--is weakening:

You're completely missing where I get the Big Bang term. It has nothing to do with destroying the Black Abyss.

When Uriel and Darshe fight, they are fighting in Hell. During the Demolisher Gun vs Gungnir collision, reality BREAKS and a hole is opened. Darshe and Uriel crashed through this hole and find themselves on Earth.

Prior to the time skip when Darshe gets trapped in an alternate dimension, Lucifer shows up and tells them in order to break Darshe out they would need the energy equivalent to the big bang to break the dimension barrier between worlds. Abigail then goes on to figure out a way they might be able to generate such energy, by overloading the big ass ship's engines (I forgot what its called).

That is how I got the big bang term. It hasn't nothing to do with the black abyss. Its about the fact they broke reality, destroyed hell and found themselves on Earth afterwards. Darshe breaks this again by himself when he attacks Uriel with Jaw Breaker Light Wings.

Yes, this only happened twice, and only for brief moments. But it still happened. Even if they can't generate that power casually, they can do it.

Black Sabbath does not open up a pocket universe. In Bastard!! dimensions and universes are not the same thing. In Bastard!! a dimension is an aspect of reality, it is not another universe like it is in Marvel, for example. That's why Hell is never described as another universe but is described as a dimension. Black Sabbath works by creating a magnetically sealed vacuum, in which matter exists. Then DS teleports matter--presumably his target--into the magnetically sealed vacuum and the resultant collision between the atoms trying to occupy the same space causes nuclear fission and "neutron disintegration," basically the disintegration of matter at the sub-atomic level. After everything inside the magnetically sealed vacuum is undergone "neutron disintegration," DS then BFR's whatever is inside the magnetically sealed vacuum into another dimension.

The main reason why I decided to write this was because I've seen people using scans and arguments taken from this thread to argue things like, "Dark Schneider is universal," which is NOT true. Dark Schneider is certainly very powerful, but as of right now, based on feats and power scaling DS is, at most, a multi-galaxy buster with very hax defensive and offensive magical abilities.

I over simplified so people could understand it better. Several of Darshe's spells work like this, including both Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Testament. If you want me to change the term universe, fine, but it doesn't really change what happens with all 3 of the spells. They create magically sealed spaces, and heat up / summon souls / attack with absolute zero respectively. You can't enter any of these spaces, and in the case of Black Sabbath, DS has to BFR the spell to another dimension for safety reasons of not blowing up the planet.

The universal level of DS has nothing to do with Black Sabbath. Its the fact he can generate big bang level energies, which is most certainly universal. Can he casually wipe away a universe like say the Living Tribunal can? Absolutely not, but he is capable of generating those attacks.

Demolisher Gun + Gungnir clash did this. Jaw Breaker Light wings did this. If you account for power scaling, LAGB is probably capable of this as well, since neither of the former two attacks hurt either of Uriel or Darshe and LAGB was able to break dispel bound.

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@fallschirmjager: I'm getting the sense that you're being very defensive, and you really shouldn't be. I'm not attacking you, just offering some points of clarification.

I saved the scans as I was reading and did not label them by chapter or volume. If you want to provide numbers I'll happily edit them in, but it took me about a month as is to read over and collect as many scans as possible. Its not perfect, nothing is, I know, but I simply do not have time to do so again right now. Maybe in the future.

I never said that you should add volume and chapter #'s, only that it would be helpful if you did. If you don't have time to add them, that's fine.

I wasn't power scaling him. I was merely demonstrating speed with the comment, nothing more. It was a very fast attack, given that Konlon and the Seraphs couldn't see it.

It certainly seems like you were trying power scale DS. This is what you wrote:

Scan 2) Dark Schneider (base form) blitzing Konron. Konron had previously shrugged off all 4 seraph angels, including attacks from all of them simultaneously and extensive attacks from Uriel.

If you weren't trying to power scale DS why did you mention Konron was able to withstand the attacks of other Seraphim angels? You could have just said, "DS blitzing Konron so fast that none of the Seraphim angels could see him." The fact that Konron withstood the attacks of Michael, Gabriel, Uriel and Raphael is irrelevant to DS's speed.

I don't speak Japanese. And just because its a fan translation doesn't automatically make it wrong. Unless you can prove otherwise, I'm going to stick with it. There's no reason not to until evidence to contradict it is given. And Raphael is the one explaining the clash, one of the Archangels. There isn't really a reason to doubt it if you have no concrete evidence to contradict it.

First, I never claimed that because it's a fan translation that that means it's automatically wrong. What I said is that we should take these translations with a grain of salt--and we should. Second, you can't just continue to believe something until evidence to the contrary is produced, especially if you don't know that what you believe is actually true. The fact that there is no contradictory evidence is not evidence that your belief is accurate. My reason to doubt the translation is the fact that fan translations have been fallible in the past so they may be fallible here. Neither you nor I actually know what Kazushi Hagiwara wrote because none of us speak Japanese and there is no official English translation. That doesn't make the fan translation right or wrong, it just makes it indeterminate--hence the reason you should take it with a grain of salt. Finally, I never claimed the translation was wrong, in fact I even said that it's not inconceivable that DS and Fallen Uriel are that fast.

Again. Unless you can translate it, there's no reason to say otherwise. The author can do whatever he wants, and isn't exactly known for being realistic. DS regularly breaks the 4th wall. Why shouldn't I believe it when no one can prove it otherwise? If a proper translation comes out and fixes it, then I will fix it. Until then, its the only thing I have. I'm not going to disregard something just because it was a fan translation. There are SEVERAL good groups out there doing fan translations for manga and anime. Claiming its inaccurate on that reason alone isn't true if you can't read Japanese yourself.

Moreover the art seems to depict a very high speed collision taking place. Its not exactly absurb to think that is what's happening, given they all ready did millions of attacks, counters and movements every second.

First, again, I never said the fan translation was wrong, only that I'm extremely suspicious of it. There's no precedent in the manga of anybody being that fast--not even Satan who once created a mini-universe in base form. Second, the person who makes the statement--and that's all it is is a statement--is Gala. Gala is a human and he does NOT possess the ability to quantify an exchange of attacks between beings as powerful as DS and Fallen Uriel. Why should we take Gala's assessment as an accurate depiction of what's going on? What you're using is a statement from a character who doesn't have the ability to make such an assessment Third, even if the artwork depicts a very high speed battle, there's no way to determine the speed of the exchanges from stationary pictures.

Despite all the scans you show of dispel bound being defeated, not once is Uriel or Darshe ever in danger of dying.

Did you even read the scans I posted? For you to say this, either you didn't understand the manga or you didn't look at my scans. These scans come from chapter 120-125.

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In the first scan you see DS use Judas Priest on Fallen Uriel; Judas Priest directly attacks the Eternal Atoms. In order for someone to attack their opponent's Eternal Atoms, then must have bypassed Dispel Bound, therefore, DS must have already bypassed Fallen Uriel's Dispel Bound in order to attack his Eternal Atoms directly.

In the third scan you see Raphael say, "The battle is over. [Uriel] is resisting the disintegration of his Eternal Atoms!"

In the sixth and seventh scans DS attacks Fallen Uriel again and this time Uriel's Eternal Atoms disintegrate. In the seventh scan you can clearly see Uriel begin to completely disintegrate.

And in the tenth scan you can even see one of the demons who's watching the fight with Beelzebub state, "His Eternal Atoms are disintegrating"

And the only reason why Uriel didn't die right there was because Beelzebub interfered and released Uriel's Augoeides.

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In the fourth scan you can see one of the demons turn to Beelzebub and state, "You...you freed him!" In other words, Beelzebub freed Uriel's Augoeides which saved Uriel from the destruction of his Eternal Atoms.

And here's another example where DS almost died during this fight (this is from volume 23, chapter 125):

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Here, Uriel in his Augoeides form hits DS with an attack so powerful that it completely deactivates the Judas Pain. And in the last scan Raphael states, "He's going to meet his end...physically and spiritually...he's going to vanish." In other words, Raphael is saying that DS's Eternal Atoms are about to disintegrate.

So, how can you say that DS and/or Uriel were never in danger of dying? I've clearly just shown you two clear cut cases where both Uriel and DS were in danger of being killed. Uriel only survived because Beelzebub interfered and DS only survived because he summoned the DKL.

Thus, when you write this,

Dispel Bound might have been defeated for mere moments, but they are otherwise completely find the next moments. This means even on occasion when Dispel bound was defeated, it regenerated so quickly there was no opportunity to take advantage,

you're completely wrong. Both DS and Uriel had their Eternal Atoms directly attacked in this fight and they both almost died as a result of it.

The battle is never decided until their final clash. And EVEN THEN, Uriel didn't die. Darshe was completely unharmed and its not until he rebirths Amrael (which if you want to argue powerscaling is easily his highest feat in terms of what that makes for his power level) that Uriel finally (imo) gives up his rage and dies.

This is also not correct. Take a look at these scans (from volume 26, chapter 133):

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As you can see, Uriel was pretty much dead at this point; he was going to die regardless of whether or not he gave up his rage and/or DS reconstructed Amrael. Fallen Uriel's Augoeides had been destroyed and he was completely emaciated.

You're completely missing where I get the Big Bang term. It has nothing to do with destroying the Black Abyss.

When Uriel and Darshe fight, they are fighting in Hell. During the Demolisher Gun vs Gungnir collision, reality BREAKS and a hole is opened. Darshe and Uriel crashed through this hole and find themselves on Earth.

Prior to the time skip when Darshe gets trapped in an alternate dimension, Lucifer shows up and tells them in order to break Darshe out they would need the energy equivalent to the big bang to break the dimension barrier between worlds. Abigail then goes on to figure out a way they might be able to generate such energy, by overloading the big ass ship's engines (I forgot what its called).

That is how I got the big bang term. It hasn't nothing to do with the black abyss. Its about the fact they broke reality, destroyed hell and found themselves on Earth afterwards. Darshe breaks this again by himself when he attacks Uriel with Jaw Breaker Light Wings.

Alright, so it seems like you're pretty confused about a couple of things. First, Hell is the Black Abyss. The "alternate dimension" DS was trapped in was Hell a.k.a. the Black Abyss. We know this must be true because Satan is sealed inside the Black Abyss and the only way DS could meet Satan is if DS was also inside the Black Abyss a.k.a. Hell. The Black Abyss is both a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy and it is a dimension sealed inside that black hole. Get it? I know exactly where you got the big bang term from.

Second, at the end of volume 18 Fallen Uriel is at the Black Abyss (from volume 18, chapter 100):

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Scan 1) Explains that the Black Abyss is Hell. The scan states, "Said to exist in the central region of the galaxy, the super black hole star A of Sagittarius. Possessing forces sufficient to annihilate all matter within its gravitational field...located in the center of the galaxy where ferocious energy streams with the power of several billion times that of a supernova whirl around and boil over in storms...50 million times the mass of the sun, it has a schwarzschild radius several times greater than the event horizon of the sun. It is said to trap light, even time, as a gigantic prison in space. However, within this heavenly body of darkness which the angels called the Abyss...hides the super dimension where God imprisons the most heinous and dangerous enemies of creation. Within this dark realm stands the gate to Hell." In other words, Hell is the super dimension sealed inside the Black Abyss. That's why sometimes the dimension where Satan is trapped is alternatively known as Hell and also the Black Abyss. Hell and the Black Abyss are the same thing.

Scan 3-4) This shows Uriel's flagship Sandalphon and Uriel on it. The flagship Sandalphon at this point is stationed at the Black Abyss.

Scan 5) Uriel's assistant states, "Now that Michael is down in the Human world on assignment...Uriel, you have command of the Heavenly Forces..." In other words, Michael is on Earth and Uriel is at the Black Abyss.

Scan 6-7) These scans show Uriel at the Black Abyss when Satan finally breaks out.

Now, all of this happens in the last chapter of volume 18. After this, there is a 4 year time skip between volume 18 and volume 19. And the opening of volume 19 shows Michael, Gabriel, Uriel and Raphael all on Earth. Here are the first couple of pages of volume 19:

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The first scan clearly states that 4 years have passed and establishes that the setting is Earth. The second scan shows McaPine Toni Strauss on Earth, which has been turned into a barren wasteland during the interim between volume 18 and volume 19. And a couple of pages later we are introduced to Konron.

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After McaPine and Konron begin to fight, McaPine is outclassed is about to be killed. However, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel show up and save him:

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So, what does this all mean? At the end of volume 18 we learn that Michael has been stationed on Earth. Then at the start of volume 19 we are shown that MacPine is on Earth. Then we see the 4 Seraphim angels show up and save MacPine. In other words, the events that follow all happen on Earth.

Furthermore, during the fight between the 4 Seraphim angels and Konron, Uriel throws Gungnir and shatters the dimensional barrier between Earth and Hell. This happens in volume 20, chapter 106.

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Now, it's important that you pay careful attention to what I write next. The next scan shows that this altercation is taking place on Earth on the Floating Island. This scan is a couple of pages into volume 20, chapter 107.

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However, because Uriel has blown open open the dimensional barrier between Earth and Hell everyone is essentially transported to hell--to Konron's castle. So, the fight starts on Earth, moves to Hell, and then moves back to Earth. Basically, the dimensional barrier between Earth and Hell is so weak that the fight keeps going back and forth from one location to another.

I over simplified so people could understand it better. Several of Darshe's spells work like this, including both Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Testament. If you want me to change the term universe, fine, but it doesn't really change what happens with all 3 of the spells. They create magically sealed spaces, and heat up / summon souls / attack with absolute zero respectively. You can't enter any of these spaces, and in the case of Black Sabbath, DS has to BFR the spell to another dimension for safety reasons of not blowing up the planet.

You claimed that DS opens up a pocket universe. This is not true, therefore, you're wrong. It's that simple. DS does NOT open up a pocket universe, he BFR's the matter inside a spell bound into another dimension.

The universal level of DS has nothing to do with Black Sabbath. Its the fact he can generate big bang level energies, which is most certainly universal. Can he casually wipe away a universe like say the Living Tribunal can? Absolutely not, but he is capable of generating those attacks.

Demolisher Gun + Gungnir clash did this. Jaw Breaker Light wings did this. If you account for power scaling, LAGB is probably capable of this as well, since neither of the former two attacks hurt either of Uriel or Darshe and LAGB was able to break dispel bound.

Did you completely skip over everything I wrote? DS is NOT universal. Fallen Uriel is NOT universal. Hell is the Black Abyss. The Black Abyss was already severely weakened, therefore, it did NOT take big bang level energies to break the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth. And Gungnir is NOT an attack that can generate big bang level energy. Here's Konron stating that Gungnir's maximum output is star busting.

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Konron states, "If it reaches maximum output in space it can even blow apart a star." So how do you get from Konron stating that Gungnir's maximum output in space is star busting to Gungnir generates big bang level energy?!

If you think about what you're saying logically you'll realize it doesn't make sense. Satan is stronger than DS, right? Satan is stronger than all of the Seraphim angels, right? Well, if Gungnir can create big bang level energies, and big bang level energies are required to break out of Hell a.k.a. the Black Abyss, then why can't Satan break out of Hell if he's stronger than Uriel? The reason Gungnir was able to break the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth is not because it can generate big bang level energy but because the Black Abyss a.k.a. Hell was already severely weakened. You're fundamentally misunderstanding what's happening in the story.

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@uberhikari:

I'm getting the sense that you're being very defensive, and you really shouldn't be. I'm not attacking you, just offering some points of clarification.

You're being overly sensitive then. I was merely stating facts as I know them to be.

It certainly seems like you were trying power scale DS. This is what you wrote:

Scan 2) Dark Schneider (base form) blitzing Konron. Konron had previously shrugged off all 4 seraph angels, including attacks from all of them simultaneously and extensive attacks from Uriel.

If you weren't trying to power scale DS why did you mention Konron was able to withstand the attacks of other Seraphim angels? You could have just said, "DS blitzing Konron so fast that none of the Seraphim angels could see him." The fact that Konron withstood the attacks of Michael, Gabriel, Uriel and Raphael is irrelevant to DS's speed.

Because its a double confirmation. Konlon couldn't deal with the attack. The Seraphs couldn't see it. Konlon was capable of defending himself against the Seraphs. DS was glaringly faster than both. If it bothers you that much I can edit it, I suppose. But it makes sense to me at least.

First, I never claimed that because it's a fan translation that that means it's automatically wrong. What I said is that we should take these translations with a grain of salt--and we should. Second, you can't just continue to believe something until evidence to the contrary is produced, especially if you don't know that what you believe is actually true. The fact that there is no contradictory evidence is not evidence that your belief is accurate. My reason to doubt the translation is the fact that fan translations have been fallible in the past so they may be fallible here. Neither you nor I actually know what Kazushi Hagiwara wrote because none of us speak Japanese and there is no official English translation. That doesn't make the fan translation right or wrong, it just makes it indeterminate--hence the reason you should take it with a grain of salt. Finally, I never claimed the translation was wrong, in fact I even said that it's not inconceivable that DS and Fallen Uriel are that fast.

The scans still exist. Taking with a grain of salt if you want, but I see no reason why anyone shouldn't know they exist. This is a respect thread after all, its suppose to highlight his abilities, not ignore them.

First, again, I never said the fan translation was wrong, only that I'm extremely suspicious of it. There's no precedent in the manga of anybody being that fast--not even Satan who once created a mini-universe in base form. Second, the person who makes the statement--and that's all it is is a statement--is Gala. Gala is a human and he does NOT possess the ability to quantify an exchange of attacks between beings as powerful as DS and Fallen Uriel. Why should we take Gala's assessment as an accurate depiction of what's going on? What you're using is a statement from a character who doesn't have the ability to make such an assessment Third, even if the artwork depicts a very high speed battle, there's no way to determine the speed of the exchanges from stationary pictures.

Satan was basically destroying the galaxy just by "Awakening" . He at least the size of an entire solar system and was wrecked shit just by being near it. (I'm sure you aware of the scan). I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to attack that fast. Moreover its irrelevant if he can or cannot (more on that later in my post)

The Seraphs were incapable of seeing DS attack and yet Raphael told us what was going despite it looking like a mass of blurs. If he is incapable of seeing what's happening, there's no way he could know either - and yet he still tells us. That's because its the author who's telling us, the character is just a device. It doesn't have to make sense all the time.

Moreover again - I can't say its wrong because I don't read Japanese (I wish). Neither can you. You can be suspicious if you want, but I have no reason not to distrust someone who was willing to put in hours of work to translate this for free for anyone to read.

And again - this is a respect thread. Made to show what is capable of, not to ignore things. If its contradicted later I will happily change it.

Did you even read the scans I posted? For you to say this, either you didn't understand the manga or you didn't look at my scans.

I did both. And every time they were about to die, they powered up again and were fine. That's why I make the claim. While I admit I forgot Beezlebub was the one who released Uriel's Augoeidas (instead of Uriel himself), DS activated the DKL on his own. So even though he was "about to die"...he wasn't because he still had a trump card up his sleeve. Therefore it clearly takes something we haven't seen yet to put Darshe die, because he wasn't in danger of losing if he still had his trump card up his sleeve. The fact he didn't activate until the last moment doesn't really change anything. Its his last resort, by definition we wouldn't see it until he had no other choice. But considering it basically increases his powers exponentially, that still doesn't mean he was close to being defeated given the enormous power he has afterwards.

As you can see, Uriel was pretty much dead at this point; he was going to die regardless of whether or not he gave up his rage and/or DS reconstructed Amrael. Fallen Uriel's Augoeides had been destroyed and he was completely emaciated.

Pretty much dead isn't dead. He's is still hanging on by thread. Even if said thread is about to break - he's still alive. The previous clash that took place - which if true (and there's no evidence to contract its not, regardless if you're suspicious of it) would annihilate 90% of fictional characters completely - wasn't enough to destroy him. That speaks to the level of power these guys have.

Hell and the Black Abyss are the same thing

Ok, I admit you were correct here. I've only read Bastard twice and do not claim to be the end-all-be-all expert.

However you seem to be confused on several aspects.

-First of all, the attack Uriel attacks Konlon with isn't Gungnir, its plainly written as "Plasma Strike Vanden Prouse" in the scans you yourself linked - even if he is using Gungnir (the spear) to execute the attack that does not mean its the same technique. They don't even look the same and Gungnir was used post-Augoeidas meaning it was much more powerful than if he would have used it in basic form.

-Also Michael says the shield is falling apart during this attack. The blast between Demolisher Gun and Gungnir destroys everything. That is a huge difference in on panel feat that you seem to be ignoring.

Konron states, "If it reaches maximum output in space it can even blow apart a star." So how do you get from Konron stating that Gungnir's maximum output in space is star busting to Gungnir generates big bang level energy?!

You are not accounting for power scaling. DS is more powerful than the Seraphs. and Fallen Uriel fights - basically evenly with DS and even overpowers him on occasion. This means Uriel received massive power gains once he fell, because he and the other Archangels in their base forms were not on his level. This is obvious as Michael is clearly stated to be the strongest of the 4 (and twice as strong as Raphael and Uriel if we accept the "levels"). And her strongest attack was a supernova - which Darshe casually absorbed as nothing but a head. There's no way Uriel is only a star buster after he falls, otherwise he would have been annihilated just as easily as Konlon was, by DS.

Therefore Konlon's comment about Gungnir being a star buster in basic form isn't relevant anymore. And when we finally actually see Gungnir, he's using it in Augoeidas form - which means he got even MORE power ups.

Did you completely skip over everything I wrote? DS is NOT universal. Fallen Uriel is NOT universal. Hell is the Black Abyss. The Black Abyss was already severely weakened, therefore, it did NOT take big bang level energies to break the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth. And Gungnir is NOT an attack that can generate big bang level energy. Here's Konron stating that Gungnir's maximum output is star busting.

You're still confused.

-Konlon's statement, as discussed is not relevant anymore.

-I never said Gungnir is a big bang level attack. I said the combination of Demolisher Gun + Gungnir was

If you think about what you're saying logically you'll realize it doesn't make sense. Satan is stronger than DS, right? Satan is stronger than all of the Seraphim angels, right? Well, if Gungnir can create big bang level energies, and big bang level energies are required to break out of Hell a.k.a. the Black Abyss, then why can't Satan break out of Hell if he's stronger than Uriel? The reason Gungnir was able to break the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth is not because it can generate big bang level energy but because the Black Abyss a.k.a. Hell was already severely weakened. You're fundamentally misunderstanding what's happening in the story.

-Considering DS is the Adam of Darkness and able to replicate a feat the Angels and Kings of Hell thought only God himself (who logically is more powerful that EVERYONE) was capable of, as well as the general featlessness of Satan himself, Satan isn't more powerful than DS. Moreover if the Judas Pain are capable of destroying the black abyss outright (as stated) and Satan isn't capable of breaking out it, and the Judas Pain are in possession of DS (we know this to be true) than DS>Satan. And Fallen Uriel > Satan. Because Fallen Uriel = DS (not quite, but almost).

-Logically this doesn't make sense - but its fiction. Logic rarely has a place here. Satan is practically featless, mean while DS' power was compared to god himself at one point. We can only go by the feats we have to present.

-Gungir didn't break the barrier. Demolisher Gun + Gungnir did. And they destroyed of all Hell (which you yourself proved was the Black Abyss) in the process.

You claimed that DS opens up a pocket universe. This is not true, therefore, you're wrong. It's that simple. DS does NOT open up a pocket universe, he BFR's the matter inside a spell bound into another dimension.

I edited the term universe.

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Because its a double confirmation. Konlon couldn't deal with the attack. The Seraphs couldn't see it. Konlon was capable of defending himself against the Seraphs. DS was glaringly faster than both. If it bothers you that much I can edit it, I suppose. But it makes sense to me at least.

Why do I keep getting the sense that you're not actually reading what I write? First you claim that you weren't using power scaling but what you write here is exactly power scaling. Second, Konron was NOT capable of defending himself against the Seraphs. I've already shown you the scans that prove it. Konron was using a technique called void howling which nullified the Seraphim angels' divine powers. That's not a defense, that's a power-nullification technique. Konron was NEVER stronger than the Seraphim angels; he was canceling out their power. Do you not see the difference between being stronger than your opponent and nullifying your opponent's power in order to make them weaker than you? It's precisely because the Seraphim couldn't use their powers against Konron that you CAN'Tpower scale in this situation. Konron used technology to implant Amrael in his chest thereby allowing him to cancel out the divine power of angels, without that technology he would have been stomped by the Seraphim. So, for the last time, you can't say Dark Schneider > Konron > Seraphim. Konron is not as strong as a Seraphim angel, he merely canceled out their divine power.

The scans still exist. Taking with a grain of salt if you want, but I see no reason why anyone shouldn't know they exist. This is a respect thread after all, its suppose to highlight his abilities, not ignore them.

You can keep the scans in--I never said you should take them out. Only that people should know the context behind the scans, which is that they are fan translated, they are subject to error and the real status of what is being said in that scan is indeterminate. That means we should take them with a grain of salt.

The Seraphs were incapable of seeing DS attack and yet Raphael told us what was going despite it looking like a mass of blurs. If he is incapable of seeing what's happening, there's no way he could know either - and yet he still tells us. That's because its the author who's telling us, the character is just a device. It doesn't have to make sense all the time.

This is NOT correct. We don't actually know what Raphael is saying because neither of us read Japanese and that scan hasn't been officially translated into English. That's the point I keep trying to make. This has nothing to do with how much I distrust fan translations, it's a matter of error.

This is what you initially wrote:

Despite all the scans you show of dispel bound being defeated, not once is Uriel or Darshe ever in danger of dying. Moreover, The Archangels who are considerable less powerful offensively are present for all of these fights - and none of them come close to dying either. Dispel Bound might have been defeated for mere moments, but they are otherwise completely find the next moments. This means even on occasion when Dispel bound was defeated, it regenerated so quickly there was no opportunity to take advantage.

And this is wrong for several reasons. First, both Uriel and DS were in danger of dying. Uriel was saved by Beelzebub and DS was saved by activating the DKL. Second, they were not "fine the next moment." When Uriel had his Augoeides destroyed he was NOT fine. He was on his death bed by that point. And when DS activated the DKL he was NOT fine. The pressure that the DKL put on his mind, spirit, and soul could have killed him--and it almost did. Look at what Raphael says in these scans (volume 23, chapter 126):

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Raphael flat out states in scan 4, "With every Judas Pain that is activated, and the fusion with the Dragon Knight...DS is getting closer to vanishing." So, no, DS did not just get a power up and then was completely fine. The more he uses the Judas Pain and the DKL, the more strain he puts on his Eternal Atoms and the closer he gets to death. You seem to think that if someone isn't dead, then they're perfectly fine.

Third, neither DS nor Uriel were saved by Dispel Bound. Your claim that "[Dispel Bound] regenerated so quickly there was no opportunity to take advantage" is NOT correct. Again, Uriel was saved by Beelzebub and DS was saved by activating the DKL. Neither of those instances had anything to do with Dispel Bound.

Like I said before, Dispel Bound can be beaten in 3 ways: 1) be fast enough to break each Dispel Bound shield one-by-one and attack your opponent's Eternal Atoms before the shields regenerate; 2) be strong enough to simply destroy every Dispel Bound shield simultaneously; or 3) have power that exceeds your opponent's power so you don't have to break any Dispel Bound shields. (The third is logically necessary otherwise Dispel Bound becomes a no limit fallacy.)

First of all, the attack Uriel attacks Konlon with isn't Gungnir, its plainly written as "Plasma Strike Vanden Prouse" in the scans you yourself linked - even if he is using Gungnir (the spear) to execute the attack that does not mean its the same technique. They don't even look the same and Gungnir was used post-Augoeidas meaning it was much more powerful than if he would have used it in basic form.

No, you're confused. First, Gungnir is the name of Uriel's spear and it is the name of an attack; you're confusing the two. Here's the scan I linked but that you didn't read entirely:

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Do you see it now? Konron is NOT talking about the attack gungnir he's talking about the maximum output of gungnir the spear. Konron states, "This divine spear!!! If it reaches maximum output in space it can even blow apart a star." That spear at maximum output is a star buster. That's what Konron clearly states, right? So, if gungnir the spear has a maximum output of star busting, but it requires big bang level energies to break the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth, then how come gungnir is able to break the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth? THAT'S BECAUSE THE DIMENSIONAL BARRIER HAS ALREADY BEEN WEAKENED! I keep trying to explain this to you but you just don't seem to get it. The barrier has been weakened, that's why Satan was able to escape the Black Abyss a.k.a. Hell. Again, you did NOT read the scans I posted. And here is a scan to prove it (from volume 17, chapter 97):

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Do you see this? When Uriel's assistants on his flagship Sandalphon realize that the dimensional barrier is weakening they summon Uriel. Uriel shows up and flat out states, "Seems the bolts on the gates of Hell were a little loose..." In other words, the dimensional barrier is weakening. How can you ignore this evidence? That's why Uriel's gungnir (the spear) was able to destroy the dimensional barrier in a localized area on Earth 4 years later. Now do you get it? Uriel's gungnir only has star busting capacity as stated by Konron, but gungnir was able to blow a hole in the dimensional barrier of Hell because that dimensional barrier had already been weak for 4 years. That's the ONLY reason why Satan was able to escape the Black Abyss, because it was weakening.

This means that NONE of the attacks or combined attacks in the fight between DS and Fallen Uriel had to generate the energy level of a big bang to break and/or destroy the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth because the barrier was already in a weakened state. This is why you are wrong to say that DS is universal.

Therefore Konlon's comment about Gungnir being a star buster in basic form isn't relevant anymore. And when we finally actually see Gungnir, he's using it in Augoeidas form - which means he got even MORE power ups.

So, do you now realize why you're confused? You're comparing two completely different things: you're confusing gungnir (the spear) with gungnir (the attack). Konron's comment about gungnir (the spear) is 100% relevant. Konron states that the maximum output of gungnir (the spear) is star busting power, and yet Uriel is able to use gungnir to break open the dimensional barrier between Hell and Earth. Assuming that Konron is right about gungnir that would mean either it doesn't require big bang level energy to break open the dimensional barrier between hell and Earth (which we know is NOT true) or the dimensional barrier is significantly weaker than it once was (which we KNOW is true).

At this point if you don't understand what I'm saying, then you just fundamentally misunderstand what's happening in the manga.

Considering DS is the Adam of Darkness and able to replicate a feat the Angels and Kings of Hell thought only God himself (who logically is more powerful that EVERYONE) was capable of, as well as the general featlessness of Satan himself, Satan isn't more powerful than DS. Moreover if the Judas Pain are capable of destroying the black abyss outright (as stated) and Satan isn't capable of breaking out it, and the Judas Pain are in possession of DS (we know this to be true) than DS>Satan. And Fallen Uriel > Satan. Because Fallen Uriel = DS (not quite, but almost).

This is all wrong. First, did you say Satan is featless? Here is Satan creating a mini-universe in base form BEFORE he fell:

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If we're going strictly by feats and not character statements, then this is the MOST impressive feat in the entire manga.

Second, this is what Raphael actually said:

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The power of the Judas Pain does NOT equal the power of the Black Abyss a.k.a. Hell. Like I explained before, the Black Abyss refers to two different things: 1) it refers to the super massive black hole equivalent to 50 million solar masses located at the center of the galaxy and 2) the dimension of hell sealed inside that black hole. Raphael appears to be saying that the Judas Pain is equal to the former NOT the latter. He specifically states, "The jewel itself is only a small crack in time and space...it has enough power to destroy an entire galaxy." Raphael did NOT state that the Judas Pain could destroy the Black Abyss, i.e., the dimension of Hell itself.

Moreover, even if Raphael did say that the Judas Pain could destroy the Black Abyss, DS does NOT possess all 8 fragments of the Judas Pain. Beelzebub confirms this in volume 21, chapter 116:

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The Judas Pain is broken into 8 fragments. 7 reside within Satan's devil kings and the 8th piece resides within the Adam of Darkness a.k.a. Dark Schneider. Dark Schneider managed to steal 6 fragments of the Judas Pain, but Beelzebub still has the last fragment. Therefore, Dark Schneider only has 7 out of the 8 fragments of the Judas Pain.

Gungir didn't break the barrier. Demolisher Gun + Gungnir did. And they destroyed of all Hell (which you yourself proved was the Black Abyss) in the process.

This is also wrong, gungnir (the spear) did break the barrier. Did you even look at the scans I posted?

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Here's gungnir (the spear) breaking through the dimensional barrier and Raphael stating, "The distinct area dimensional shield is falling apart." That's how they were all transported from Earth to Hell.

So, for the final time, DS is NOT universal and Fallen Uriel is NOT universal. They are multi-galaxy busters.

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Why do I keep getting the sense that you're not actually reading what I write? First you claim that you weren't using power scaling but what you write here is exactly power scaling. Second, Konron was NOT capable of defending himself against the Seraphs. I've already shown you the scans that prove it. Konron was using a technique called void howling which nullified the Seraphim angels' divine powers. That's not a defense, that's a power-nullification technique. Konron was NEVER stronger than the Seraphim angels; he was canceling out their power. Do you not see the difference between being stronger than your opponent and nullifying your opponent's power in order to make them weaker than you? It's precisely because the Seraphim couldn't use their powers against Konron that you CAN'Tpower scale in this situation. Konron used technology to implant Amrael in his chest thereby allowing him to cancel out the divine power of angels, without that technology he would have been stomped by the Seraphim. So, for the last time, you can't say Dark Schneider > Konron > Seraphim. Konron is not as strong as a Seraphim angel, he merely canceled out their divine power.

Did you actually read the OP or anything I wrote?

The comment has to do with SPEED. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POWER.

Its clearly labeled under the speed section.

The scans still exist. Taking with a grain of salt if you want, but I see no reason why anyone shouldn't know they exist. This is a respect thread after all, its suppose to highlight his abilities, not ignore them.

You can keep the scans in--I never said you should take them out. Only that people should know the context behind the scans, which is that they are fan translated, they are subject to error and the real status of what is being said in that scan is indeterminate. That means we should take them with a grain of salt.

The Seraphs were incapable of seeing DS attack and yet Raphael told us what was going despite it looking like a mass of blurs. If he is incapable of seeing what's happening, there's no way he could know either - and yet he still tells us. That's because its the author who's telling us, the character is just a device. It doesn't have to make sense all the time.

This is NOT correct. We don't actually know what Raphael is saying because neither of us read Japanese and that scan hasn't been officially translated into English. That's the point I keep trying to make. This has nothing to do with how much I distrust fan translations, it's a matter of error.

How is it not about your distrusting fan translations? You're basically saying the translation could be incorrect, meaning you don't trust them because they're not official. That is the definition of not trusting a fan translation.

Your whole argument can be summed up as "Anything past volume 19 is a fan translation and I don't accept it".

In which case, why are we evening arguing, when all of this isn't official and its all wrong as far as you're concerned? Should I even bother responding to anything else you've said? Because you're basically undermining any argument you make going forward.

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Well, I don't see this discussion going any further. I just wanted to provide some context and clarification to help improve the thread. Overall, I think this is one of the better respect threads I've seen for DS and I'm glad you made it.

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@uberhikari: Thanks I guess, lol. I still disagree with you on several points though.

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Who is Dark Schneider?

Dark Schneider in Base and Majin forms, respectively.

Dark Schneider is the protagonist of the manga Bastard! He is over 400 years old and is a master of most magics in his world (including ancient magics). 15 years prior to the manga he lead an army and nearly conquered the world in 4 years, but was tricked and sealed away inside a child's body. He is brought back when the Kingdom that defeated him needs his help. He is brought back when his vessel is kissed by a virgin.

Once freed, Dark Schneider goes on to save the world from the Four Riders of Havoc - his former generals. Although he eventually turns them back to his side - he is eventually sent to Hell.

In hell Dark Schneider manages to steal the Judas Pain - a jewel made from the blood, tears and pain from Judas which amplifies Dark Schneider's powers millions of times.

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Speed

Scan 1) Author's description of Seraph Angels. They are FTL.

Scan 2) Dark Schneider (base form) blitzing Konron.

Scan 3) The Seraphs are incapable of seeing Dark Schneider's attack on Konron.

Scan 4) Majin Dark Schneider (Judas Pain active) and Fallen Uriel exchange millions of attacks, counterattacks and movements every second, attempting to break each other's dispel bound.

Scan 5) Dark Schneider (DKL) and Fallen Uriel (Augoeides) exchanging infinite amounts of attacks every instant (Uriel is defeated afterwards)

Exact Seraph speed is fairly easily to calculate. During the time skip of Bastard! "nearly" four years pass. During that time the Seraphs travel from the Black Abyss to Earth, a distance of 28,000 light years. This gives us a bare minimum estimate of Seraph speed at x7000++ FTL. (Given it wasn't quite 4 years and we don't know if they were traveling the entire time) And Dark Schneider was blitzing and moving too fast for these guys to see - in base form. He speed increases millions of times once the Judas Pain are active and another 130x when he fuses with the DKL. (Logically - as he was keeping up with DS, Uriel received similar boosts post-Fallen and Augoeides forms respectively)

Durability

Dispel Bound

Dark Schneider posses two of the most overpowered defensive spells in fiction. His shields, countless in number, known as Dispel Bound surround his entire body protecting him from every type of attack. Normally, each of these shields have to be broken through one at time before one can harm Dark Schneider (there are a few, extreme exceptions). Still, Dispel Bound has allowed Dark Schneider and Fallen Uriel to survive explosions that have broken the dimensional barriers between Hell and Earth, a force which equals the big bang. The Black Abyss, which is located 28,000 light years away from their battle and has the mass of fifty million suns, is completely destroyed during these explosions.

They are even capable of shielding him from reality warping attacks, such as probability manipulation. They defend against everything you can imagine and everything you cannot. Furthermore if that's not enough - these same shields also regenerate themselves at FTL speed. During his fight with Uriel, Dark Schneider and Uriel were exchanging millions of attacks per second in order to break through each other's dispel bounds and still couldn't do it. Its not until they exchange infinite amounts of attacks every instant that dispel bound is finally bypassed.

Eternal Atoms

If you thought that was the extent of Dark Schneider's durability - you'd be wrong. Beings such as Dark Schneider possess what are known as Eternal Atoms. Possesed by higher beings such as Archangels, demons and Dark Schneider himself, they are described as the building blocks of life. So long as one of these atoms exist, DS is capable of regenerating completely.

Morever, these atoms exist on three separate planes of existence - the physical, the spiritual and astral - body, soul and mind respectively. This means, unless all three are simultaneously destroyed, he can regenerate the other two.

Essentially, anyone who is not capable of attacking someone spiritually, physically and astral cannot defeat DS.

Dispel Bound protects all three levels of existence by the way.

Regeneration

Examples of Dark Schneider's inability to die so long as he possess eternal atoms and his ability to regenerate.

Scans 1-2) Dark Schneider's body is blown away and he decides to chill out as a talking head for an extended period of time - because he's an asshole and wanted to watch the Seraphs get their asses kicked.

Scan 3) Dark Schneider's head is blown off and regenerate immediately.

Scan 4) Dark Schneider regenerates his body.

Strength

Scans 1-2) A description of DS' Golem, who is similar to Omega Abigail. Weights 100,000~ tons.

Scans 3-5) Dark Schneider in base form tosses Omega Abigail. (Keep in mind his strength will multiple millions of times in Majin Form)

Destructive Capability

Scan 1) The Black Abyss is destroyed as a side effect of DS and Uriel's battle.

Scan 2) Description of the Black Abyss, a super-massive black hole with the equivalent mass of fifty million suns.

Scans 3-4) Reality shatters and the dimension barriers between worlds cracks open.

Scans 5-7) Explanation, with Lucifer stating the power to break the dimension barrier between worlds would take the equivalent power to that of the Big Bang.

Scans 7) The Judas Priest Dark Schneider are capable of destroying the Black Abyss.

Spells

Being a master magician Dark Schneider has a variety of spells in his arsenal with varying level of powers and abilities.

Venom

Dark Schneider's go-to and signature spell. It summons destructive enzymes from hell which disintegrate the matter of its target.

Summonings

Dark Schneider is capable of summoning beings to help aid him in fights. Two of his most powerful including a dragon and a 100,000 ton Golem.

Exodus

A fire attack with a base heat of 20,000 degrees Celsius. The heat is amplified by millions when Dark Schneider has the Judas Priest or is fused with the Dragon Knight Lucifer. The attack in base form was powerful enough to destroy Efreet, who is the Elemental of fire in Bastard!

Halloween

Dark Schneider opens the gates of hell and releases a powerful energy blast. It is capable of destroying entire armies and cities. This attack is amplified millions of times when Dark Schneider is using the Judas Pain.

Led Zeppelin

Dark Schneider calls forth souls from Hell that seek to devour its target. Being evil in nature, they can only be stopped by other beings from ehll.

Black Sabbath

One of Dark Schneider's most powerful spells. As explained by Dark Schneider, Black Sabbath creates a magnetically sealed vacuum - whats known as a spell bound. Matter is then teleported inside the pocket and heated up to a million degrees Celsius. The spell is then transported to another dimension.

Testament

Testament is a spell originally used by one of Dark Schneider's generals Kal-Su. Testament creates a spell bound around the target of the attack - which is then hit by an absolute zero blast. The movement of atoms are completely stopped and everything within the field is annihilated.

Dark Kain (Majin Form)

An extremely powerful dark energy blast. The attack easily annihilates Konron - a fallen angel and Viscount of hell.

Judas Priest (Majin Form)

An extremely powerful attack. The spell simultaneous attack the physical body, the soul and the astral matter, targeting the eternal atoms of the target, effectively erasing it from all existence.

Dragon Knight Lucifer

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One of the most powerful weapons in the Bastard! universe. Also called the L01, the techno-organic weapon fused with magical powers was originally designed to combat against Demons and Angels. The weapon is summoned and then fused with the person using it. Theoretically the weapon has no limits on how powerful it can become and is dependent on the being fusing with it - using said beings power as a type of "fuel". The weapon is intended to be a last-resort weapon as the user cannot unfuse with it.

Demonlisher Gun (Fused with DKL)

Two of the cannons on the Dragon Knight Lucifer open and fire. This attack is strong enough to cancel out Uriel's Gungnir - which in its base form is capable of destroying a star. In the scans above, the attacks are powerful enough to shatter reality and break the dimension barriers between worlds.

(Chronologically the scans read right to left, manga style :D)

Giran Ira (Fused with DKL)

Dark Schneider summons a black hole that can absorb opponent's attacks and send them to another dimension. (Again, right to left chronologically)

Loudness All Guns Blazing (Fused with DKL)

The DKL's nine elemental furnaces are opened and fired simultaneously. The attack is powerful enough to break through Uriel's Dispel Bound in one hit. (Right to left chronologically)

Jaw Breaker Light Wings (Fused with DKL)

The Dragon Knight Lucifer takes flight and charges. The attack was capable of shattering the dimensional wall and reality. (Right to left chronologically)

Bloodstone (Fused with DKL)

Bloodstone creates a cursed space around Dark Schneider. All of the damage inflicted upon DS will be returned to the attacker with equal and proportional intensity. (Right to left chronologically)

**Note**In the 7th chronological scan (1st scan in order) Dark Schneider and Uriel are exchanging infinite amounts of attacks every instant.

Adam of Darkness Form

Dark Schneider's latest and most mysterious form. Although not many details are known about it - DS was able recreate Uriel's dead sister, the Angel Amrael - both body and soul - from only his memory of her. This is something the Seraphs believed only God was capable of.

Miscellaneous

Telepathy: DS demonstrates the power to read minds on several occasions. Here's one:

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Energy Absortion: DS has the capability to absorb energy. This includes Michael's God Hard' (a supernova level attack). With the Judas Pain active he can also absorb energy infinite and use it to create and empower his body.

Senses: DS has senses that are enhanced several thousand times.

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Size Manipulation: DS can alter the size of his body

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Cloning: DS has the ability to split his body into several dozens clones

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Precognition/Sharingan: ...DS can use Sharingan

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Im interested in the manga and just started watching the anime. Does the anime ever reach this level of power?

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#30  Edited By Fallschirmjager

@trueking95: the anime is shit, never watch it. it only covers a small portion of the manga and cuts out a lot of things of what it does cover. And it doesn't flow well, since its a 6 episode OVA instead of series. Each episode doesn't really follow the last, it just tells a part of the story.

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@fallschirmjager: Do you have the feat of Satan creating a universe in his hand, please?

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#32  Edited By Fallschirmjager

@kingofash: Yeah.

He admits its only an imitation of God's though.

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#35  Edited By lol

Cool thread

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Very Good thread.

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holy schneider (see what i did there) this guy is too much op 4 me. But really that is some massive power make you wonder.

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@fallschirmjager: Um so hold on a second. If Darsh can use Sharingan, isn't it plausible that he can employ various other crossovers abilities as well?

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@lowlaville: Probably. The manga is on indefinite hiatus though so its pure speculation.

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Amazing

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#43  Edited By hizack123

Hey!, you forget that he broke a 4th wall on regular basic!

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Nice respect thread.

Who would be a good opponent for this character?

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@kirkseven:

Any character that's...

FTL

Galaxy Buster

Can attack the body/spirit/soul combined in one energy attack.

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#46  Edited By VarricPatermann

@kirkseven said:

Nice respect thread.

Who would be a good opponent for this character?

Only characters with conceptual hax or at least characters that can destroy a space-time continuum.

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