The first X-Man, Scott Summers possesses the mutant ability to fire powerful concussive blasts through his eyes that act as a portal to another dimension full of the force that makes up his optic blast. He is visually distinctive for the ruby quartz visor he wears to control his devastating power. A born leader, Cyclops succeeded his mentor Professor X to command the X-Men.
Who can Cyclops kill or beat out of the X-Men, x-force & X-factor. Including X-23. Warpath & Domino We know Cyclops power has grown over years, not just his ego but who can he kill or beat in fight. Include villains if you want.
I think he can take on pretty much everyone (X-Men/Factor/Force wise) except mutants with a healing factor. He's a great tactician with some hand to hand combat training, optic blasts and years of experience. I think Apocalypse, Juggernaut or some one in tha league are the only ones that are out of his range (villains wise).
@time: 'Really'? As opposed to 'kind of' or 'somewhat'? Specify. Note that Cyclops is quite the tactician, as well as being very physically fit, most likely trained in some form of hand-to-hand combat, and is not only rather intelligent but also eminently logical.
" He just takes off his glasses while looking in their direction. That takes care of just about everyone but Wolverine, Colossus and Iceman, I think. "
He could blast Colossus and Wolverine into the Sun, or at least space in general. Death by BFR easily. Iceman would own Cyke though.
" He just takes off his glasses while looking in their direction. That takes care of just about everyone but Wolverine, Colossus and Iceman, I think. "
He could blast Colossus and Wolverine into the Sun, or at least space in general. Death by BFR easily. Iceman would own Cyke though. "
Sun? I hope you're exaggerating.
I'm sure Cyclops has ways of putting down each and every X-Man given his tactical nature. We know he has a contingency protocol for Wolverine.
" He just takes off his glasses while looking in their direction. That takes care of just about everyone but Wolverine, Colossus and Iceman, I think. "
He could blast Colossus and Wolverine into the Sun, or at least space in general. Death by BFR easily. Iceman would own Cyke though. "
Sun? I hope you're exaggerating. I'm sure Cyclops has ways of putting down each and every X-Man given his tactical nature. We know he has a contingency protocol for Wolverine. "
Once he gets him into the atmosphere, providing Logan doesn't crash into an obstacle, Cyke wouldn't need to keep exerting any force. But my basic point was BFR victory.
@FadeToBlackBolt: if you hit someone into space at high enough speeds and with no gravity there just gonna keep going unless they hit something for a while is that what you meant?
he could take on most of the xmen and could probably knock out wolverine. He would have problems with Shadowcat or Colossus though, someone who wouldn't be affected by his optic blasts
" He just takes off his glasses while looking in their direction. That takes care of just about everyone but Wolverine, Colossus and Iceman, I think. "
He could blast Colossus and Wolverine into the Sun, or at least space in general. Death by BFR easily. Iceman would own Cyke though. "
Sun? I hope you're exaggerating. I'm sure Cyclops has ways of putting down each and every X-Man given his tactical nature. We know he has a contingency protocol for Wolverine. "
Once he gets him into the atmosphere, providing Logan doesn't crash into an obstacle, Cyke wouldn't need to keep exerting any force. But my basic point was BFR victory. "
I dunno man, its more like past the atmosphere than into, Cyclops could push him up higher than Mount Everest? I suppose if Gorgon can... I definitely agree with the BFR being gained though. Rather easily. (like if he targeted the ground and buried Wolverine)
" @SC: Into, out of, whatever, you know what I mean :P "
True, true. ^_^
Would be fun seeing him attempt it too, in fact if Wolverine was game, it might be the coolest fastball special since Ares self immolated himself and got tossed by Hercules. 0_o
Cyclops to me is very much over-rated. This is what I think
People who can beat him or kill him Jean Grey Storm Magneto Emma Frost Psylocke Charles Iceman Rachel Grey Polaris
People he can beat or kill Beast Rogue Archangel Domino Gambit Jubilee Stupid characters like Pixie Dazzlier Havork
Tight Matches
Wolverine, you say Cyclops can blast Wolverine in to space, like Wolverine will let him. Wolverine is a lot faster, has more experience and he has a healing factor. Cyclops may be able to knock him out in a round, but won't be able to kill him. All wolverine has to do is stab him once and he is dead. Come to think about it Cyclops would struggle dealing with X-23, let alone Wolverine.
Kitty & Nightcralwer Cyclops would struggle against kitty, considering she can phase through anything. People always underestimate Kurt. Unless they can heal, have telepath abilty, or is very strong. All Kurt has to do do is teleport to cyclops and stap him. He can teleport before Cylcops can release a blast.
Bishop Bishop can absorbs energy, so whatever Cyclops throws at him, he can handle it. Consider he took on onslaught & Magneto. He quite a match for Cyclops
Multiple man In Wolverine & the X-Men, Cyclops couldn't defeat him, he needed X-Men to save him. Quite a tough match for Scott.
What about Cable, Cannonball, Warpath, Shatterstar and Quicksilver? Can Cyclops beat them?
Wolverine and the X-men was the worst kind of abomination. Cyclops can just take his glasses off and the block Multiple Man is on is gone.
Kurt I can see. Kitty all he has to do is pop her bubble and she's useless.
Cyclops has a pretty sick plan to kill Wolverine, see Wolverine #6. In a solo fight, they've fought before after Wolverine's first introduction to the X-men. In fact it was one on four or five when Cyclops fought(Cyclops was solo).
Bishop is an interesting fight, but I think he could take him. Indirect usage of his blasts, like knocking the ground out from under Bishop.
Cable was trained by Scott. Though I do think Cable wins this one just because of bad ass factor.
Any telepath would be hard for Scott to fight just because of the nature of Telepaths. But! Scott has the Black Box in his head, which is at least telepathically resistant, who's to say he can't do that to his whole mind? He's been around telepaths his whole life, he'd had to have some tricks.
Iceman is a joke, Cyclops would rock him. If anyone else had Bobby's powers than sure, but Bobby again is a joke.
Cyclops has been at the institute since he was a kid so hes had plenty of time to train I think it's stated somewhere that he's profecient in at least 6 unamed martial arts they may even have said black belts
this is why im sure he could go hand 2 hand vs wolverine he doesn't have to beat him just stun him long enough to let off a full power optic blast and turn him to ash
Cyclops has been at the institute since he was a kid so hes had plenty of time to train I think it's stated somewhere that he's profecient in at least 6 unamed martial arts they may even have said black belts
this is why im sure he could go hand 2 hand vs wolverine he doesn't have to beat him just stun him long enough to let off a full power optic blast and turn him to ash
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Turn him to ash, give me a beak. Wolverine can Heal, Cyclops can not. One blow to Cyclops and he is dead, one blow to Wolverine and he not. I find it amazing, what some people think, they think people with blast will get the better off people with healing factors and people who are brutal killers. Cyclops couldn't even beat Daken and Wolverine more of a brutal killer than he is.
I mean Kurt can kill Cyclops, just pop up behind him. End of story.
Cyclops has been at the institute since he was a kid so hes had plenty of time to train I think it's stated somewhere that he's profecient in at least 6 unamed martial arts they may even have said black belts
this is why im sure he could go hand 2 hand vs wolverine he doesn't have to beat him just stun him long enough to let off a full power optic blast and turn him to ash
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Turn him to ash, give me a beak. Wolverine can Heal, Cyclops can not. One blow to Cyclops and he is dead, one blow to Wolverine and he not. I find it amazing, what some people think, they think people with blast will get the better off people with healing factors and people who are brutal killers. Cyclops couldn't even beat Daken and Wolverine more of a brutal killer than he is.
I mean Kurt can kill Cyclops, just pop up behind him. End of story.
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1. When i said turn him to ash I didn't literly mean ash I know that cyclops blast isnt heat but he could still do great damage and hold wolverine in h2h for awhile
2. Cyclops peeled skin off the Hulk he hurt apokolypse and onslaught wolverine wouldnt stay concies for a second literly if a full powered blast was unleashed on him
3. one hit it would have to be a really really good blow cyclops has been doing this a long time a stab or cut even a big life threatinig one wouldnt stop him for an hour or 2
4. if you think it would only take one hit have a scan or go home
@time: Obviously I'm a hypocrite because I have a Wolverine avatar but I think it's clear that there's some Cyclops fanboyism going on here. I don't care what scans anyone wants to show (a writer wants Wolverine blasted by Cyclops it's going to happen.... doesn't mean that it really would). People can ignore common sense all they want it doesn't change anything. All anyone is doing is saying that he'll blast people into space. Anyone want to argue how Cyclops survives the numerous types of attacks that can be used against him from the variety of opponents in the X-Men? I guess his leadership skills will stop those claws from puncturing his skull and his ability to strategize will stop Iceman from turning him into a popsicle.....
@time: Obviously I'm a hypocrite because I have a Wolverine avatar but I think it's clear that there's some Cyclops fanboyism going on here. I don't care what scans anyone wants to show (a writer wants Wolverine blasted by Cyclops it's going to happen.... doesn't mean that it really would). People can ignore common sense all they want it doesn't change anything. All anyone is doing is saying that he'll blast people into space. Anyone want to argue how Cyclops survives the numerous types of attacks that can be used against him from the variety of opponents in the X-Men? I guess his leadership skills will stop those claws from puncturing his skull and his ability to strategize will stop Iceman from turning him into a popsicle....."
Honestly on a small level i agree with you. but it doesnt matter what you think common sense is. if the writers say it goes it goes. I just posted a pic of cyclops owning wolverine so cyclops owns wolverine period. this is a comic. common sense rarely applies. You know cyclops eyes are a portal to a deminsion filled with red energy and his brain is a foarce feild? any common sense in that? No. it made more sense as converted sunlight but it changed so that is that. plus common sense sais cyclops wins so this is one time where there is common sense in comics
-------------------------- Yes, I know my opinion on the matter is greatly diminished as a) I'm one of the most vocal haters on the site, and b) a Cyclops fanboy, but Cyke would drop the majority of the X-Men.
He's a superb tactician, and he knows the strengths and weaknesses of his team. Aside from the fact that his blasts would hit anything in his frontal arc (speed isn't really very useful when everywhere around is bombarded with energy), the guy knows how to beatdown his team.
The Omegas would drop him, sure, but that's only because most of their powers are so insultingly ridiculous that the X-Men are pointless just by having one on the team.
If a good writer is writing Cyclops, he's a walking nuclear weapon. If a bad writer is writing him, he's just some guy with crappy laser vision that does nothing. That's not opinion either, Morrison, Whedon, Ellis all right Scott well and all have won Eisner and numerous other awards. People like Marjorie Liu write him terribly, and... well if you've read her stuff, you don't need me to tell you she's awful.
He also defeated Storm, Wolverine, Rogue, Colossus and Nightcrawler on his own, while injured.
" okay any telepath or telekinetic could easily take scott down
as well as colossus and wolverine(scott has the contingency plan but it wont work)
kitty just stays phased, walks up to him and kicks his butt
kurt- easy win
BISHOP even if scott uses indirect blasts bishop couldnt be killed he would just absorb
iceman i think would get owned by cyclops if he went full power on optic blasts"
1. No Part of Scotts powers is a comparitivly weak mental shaild plus he has plenty experience around them however they still have a chance
2. I dont know if he could kill them but he could easily knock wolverine out or pill off all his skin and organs with a strong blast/ Cyc can blast through steel they never say Colosses is steel but They never say hes not. either way Scotts blast are above nuclear level (stated by Iorn man in civil war however he sais it in a complex way) they'll do heavy damage
3. Scott is way better than kitty in h2h he has 2 black belts she has none plus he can predict where shell apear he has studied all his temates tendancies including this
4.I dont have the pic I can get it if you want but Cyc knows exactly where he will apear as I said he studied all his teemates tendancys
5. in civil war a mind controler turns Cycs full foarce on biship biship is overloaded and nearly dies in under 30seconds
6. Actually this is the only guy on your list that beets a well written Cyc Iceman is an Omega level mutant and he can freeze cells in a thought this is a 3second match
" Wolverine and the X-men was the worst kind of abomination. Cyclops can just take his glasses off and the block Multiple Man is on is gone. Kurt I can see. Kitty all he has to do is pop her bubble and she's useless. Cyclops has a pretty sick plan to kill Wolverine, see Wolverine #6. In a solo fight, they've fought before after Wolverine's first introduction to the X-men. In fact it was one on four or five when Cyclops fought(Cyclops was solo). Bishop is an interesting fight, but I think he could take him. Indirect usage of his blasts, like knocking the ground out from under Bishop. Cable was trained by Scott. Though I do think Cable wins this one just because of bad ass factor. Any telepath would be hard for Scott to fight just because of the nature of Telepaths. But! Scott has the Black Box in his head, which is at least telepathically resistant, who's to say he can't do that to his whole mind? He's been around telepaths his whole life, he'd had to have some tricks. Iceman is a joke, Cyclops would rock him. If anyone else had Bobby's powers than sure, but Bobby again is a joke. "
@ BlackArmor In ultimate X-Men, Wolverine beat all of the X-Men, Storm, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Colossus & Jean Grey. I think the story was return to weapon X or tomorrow people. Can't remember which one. Cyclops might be able to knock wolverine out, but he wouldn't be able to kill him. Wolverine would be able to kill Cyclops. If you red Age of Apocalypse, Wolverine lost a hand and Cyclops lost a Eye. Who did Cyclops die by, on yeah his brother.
" @ BlackArmor In ultimate X-Men, Wolverine beat all of the X-Men, Storm, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Colossus & Jean Grey. I think the story was return to weapon X or tomorrow people. Can't remember which one. Cyclops might be able to knock wolverine out, but he wouldn't be able to kill him. Wolverine would be able to kill Cyclops. If you red Age of Apocalypse, Wolverine lost a hand and Cyclops lost a Eye. Who did Cyclops die by, on yeah his brother. "
Cyclops didn't die in AoA and saying Wolverine wins because of not being able to die is just admitting how dumb Wolverine has gotten. Anyone remembers when he could get killed by a Sentinel.
" @ BlackArmor In ultimate X-Men, Wolverine beat all of the X-Men, Storm, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Colossus & Jean Grey. I think the story was return to weapon X or tomorrow people. Can't remember which one. Cyclops might be able to knock wolverine out, but he wouldn't be able to kill him. Wolverine would be able to kill Cyclops. If you red Age of Apocalypse, Wolverine lost a hand and Cyclops lost a Eye. Who did Cyclops die by, on yeah his brother. "
Cyclops didn't die in AoA and saying Wolverine wins because of not being able to die is just admitting how dumb Wolverine has gotten. Anyone remembers when he could get killed by a Sentinel. "
He did die, what version of age of apocalypse are you reading, So can Cyclops be kill by a Sentinel. Wolverine can die, but he will survive a lot longer than Cyclops in a battle.
" @ BlackArmor In ultimate X-Men, Wolverine beat all of the X-Men, Storm, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Colossus & Jean Grey. I think the story was return to weapon X or tomorrow people. Can't remember which one. Cyclops might be able to knock wolverine out, but he wouldn't be able to kill him. Wolverine would be able to kill Cyclops. If you red Age of Apocalypse, Wolverine lost a hand and Cyclops lost a Eye. Who did Cyclops die by, on yeah his brother. "
Cyclops didn't die in AoA and saying Wolverine wins because of not being able to die is just admitting how dumb Wolverine has gotten. Anyone remembers when he could get killed by a Sentinel. "
He did die, what version of age of apocalypse are you reading, So can Cyclops be kill by a Sentinel. Wolverine can die, but he will survive a lot longer than Cyclops in a battle. "
Doing a recheck a What If? you are right he did die. In a fight were they start from a distance I'll give the fight to Cyclops, if they start the fight handcuffed together for what ever reason I would give it to Wolverine. It's not about how long both will last when all Scott has to do is loose the shades making it impossible for Wolvs to get close.
@time said: So can Cyclops be kill by a Sentinel.
The point I was trying to make is Wolverine use to be able to be killed by a Sentinel, but now if we were to see him get killed by one we would all call bull.
Cyclops: Full on optic blast- takes out a bunch of x men... unless he wasn't willing to kill or if they weren't in front of him, in a group.
Another Scenario: Cyclops wants them off his lawn and he takes off his visor. Red Page.
After that, everyone who survives this, takes him out like Colossus or Kitty Pryde or Magneto or just someone who can block/escape his attacks.
Another Scenario: Cyclops is in a room and uses his advanced spatial awareness to simultaneously take out dozens of x men, but then again, a telepath could just mind rape him...
" @ BlackArmor In ultimate X-Men, Wolverine beat all of the X-Men, Storm, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Colossus & Jean Grey. I think the story was return to weapon X or tomorrow people. Can't remember which one. Cyclops might be able to knock wolverine out, but he wouldn't be able to kill him. Wolverine would be able to kill Cyclops. If you red Age of Apocalypse, Wolverine lost a hand and Cyclops lost a Eye. Who did Cyclops die by, on yeah his brother. "
Cyclops didn't die in AoA and saying Wolverine wins because of not being able to die is just admitting how dumb Wolverine has gotten. Anyone remembers when he could get killed by a Sentinel. "
He did die, what version of age of apocalypse are you reading, So can Cyclops be kill by a Sentinel. Wolverine can die, but he will survive a lot longer than Cyclops in a battle. "
Doing a recheck a What If? you are right he did die. In a fight were they start from a distance I'll give the fight to Cyclops, if they start the fight handcuffed together for what ever reason I would give it to Wolverine. It's not about how long both will last when all Scott has to do is loose the shades making it impossible for Wolvs to get close.
@time said: So can Cyclops be kill by a Sentinel.
The point I was trying to make is Wolverine use to be able to be killed by a Sentinel, but now if we were to see him get killed by one we would all call bull.
"
sorry to be late to the argument it didnt apear in my Pms
I never said cyclops could kill wolverine i said he could knock him out or reduce him to a skeleton but after convercing with a science nerd i change my mind cyclops can kill him
Cyc can pill skin off the hulk wolverine can be cut by a knife so Cyc can blast of all wolverine's various meats and skins from his body
Cyc can hold his optic blast full power 15 minutes he simply stares at wolverines skeleton (wich as proven in cival war is still alive) for the full 15 minutes wolverine cant get up from the pain of being a skeleton and not having muscle so cyc does this for 15 minutes and kills all cells in wolverine's body with not a single living cell left wolverine is dead
Yeah, I agree Cyke could take out most of them one on one, but would have more difficulty with combinations/groups. I think the telepaths would be the hardest as they could potentially effect his mind before he has a chance to take them down.
A lot of people forget that the optic blasts through the visor are controlled blasts and they are incredibly powerful. Now when he takes the visor off he loses quite a bit of control but he literally blasts anywhere his eyes can see. As for which of the X-Men he could defeat, well I would say he could beat all of the younger X-Men, though I'm sure there is one or two I am forgetting whose powers would make it a difficult task. As for the older more experienced X-Men well I am sure that most of them are experienced enough that given the right circumstances the battle could go either way, though given his strong tactical aptitude he would probably have an edge.
The only thing that would prevent Cyclops from winning against any X-Man would be his desire to limit damage and/or not kill them. He really hasn't been upgraded as much as people say he has in comparison to some of his teammates who jumped to Omega status. Way back in the beginning of the series, it was already noted that he could blast through miles of ground, could punch a hole through mountains and in general was capable of much destruction. Combine that with his tactical acumen, discipline and familiarity with the other X-Men and I think he is capable of killing any of them. Some of the older and more powerful X-Men, like Storm, Emma or Havok, could give him a good run, but I think he would take the majority. The only people he could never defeat would be Jean or Bobby (no way to kill either of them).
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