@Soulstealer: Well said!

Cyclops has a lot of pride for the mutant race just like anyone else would for their race. The only difference is that mutants are the next step in human evolution. And that can bring along a lot of fear and hatred from the baseline humans. No more mutants being born was something that was forced on mutantkind. Cyclops is just doing everything he can to preserve his race at this time. He's gone far beyond the call of duty compared to Professor X (Where is he these days?) and Magneto. Cyclops has come a long way and I'm very impressed with his much needed evolution.

@jrock85 said:

Character derailment.

Personally I think they been doing it since Morrison's run way back when (really since when he "sacrificed" himself to Apocalypse...

Cyke used to be my favorite X-Man back in the 90's (when I first got into comics) and I even got a few old school back issues and the Essential X-Men starting with the Giant X-men #1.

@ExtraLarge: why would he want to let his species die off?

90s Cyclops was really good. People say the Cyclops of the last 10 years is the "real" Cyclops, But people forget that 90s Cyke was a great leader and tactician. I think people sometime confuse his character development with his leading ability.

He may not be now but his actions are taking him down a dark path.

Being the only one making the "hard decisions" may turn out to be bad for scott and the X-men.

@oraclefyre said:

90s Cyclops was really good. People say the Cyclops of the last 10 years is the "real" Cyclops, But people forget that 90s Cyke was a great leader and tactician. I think people sometime confuse his character development with his leading ability.

Cyclops was always an extraordinarily good leader. Back in Claremont's run, he definitely showed this exceedingly well.

He's a great leader but not all great things are made to last and i'm sure we're gonna see that in AvX

Enough with the "AvX is gonna ruin him and make him evil" speculation crap.

I'm saying it's gonna go bad like beings who come into power end up happening in the MU it's history simply repeating itself

@god_spawn said:

Enough with the "AvX is gonna ruin him and make him evil" speculation crap.

After the cover of him and Emma tearing each other apart I've become convinced (and depressed) that this is exactly what will happen.

@BlackArmor said:

@god_spawn said:

Enough with the "AvX is gonna ruin him and make him evil" speculation crap.

After the cover of him and Emma tearing each other apart I've become convinced (and depressed) that this is exactly what will happen.

And covers majority of the time are wrong.

@god_spawn said:

@BlackArmor said:

@god_spawn said:

Enough with the "AvX is gonna ruin him and make him evil" speculation crap.

After the cover of him and Emma tearing each other apart I've become convinced (and depressed) that this is exactly what will happen.

And covers majority of the time are wrong.

Usually I'd be one of the first to dismiss it as a cover but I've read 2 interviews by two different AVX writers that basically state that Cyke and Emma (and Namor) are going to fight, last time you convinced me that Cyke would be fine partially because he and Emma are so popular as a couple but at the very least they're going to have some serious problems and if Marvel is willing to do that I don't see them thinking Cyke's life is all that sacred

@BlackArmor: And all these events have had minimal effect on things. Siege didn't do much. Fear Itself just made Steve Rogers Cap, Bucky Winter Soldier and Thor was gone for 2 issues in his own series. As I keep saying, even if they fight it's just going to bring things to square one. Scott and Emma may need the fight so Emma shows Scott the importance of her and other things. It's a wake up call.

Pretty much what scott needs.. a wake up call. Personally I think

@god_spawn: Marvel's perpetual status quo is a good point. But if they make him seen as a villain his safety isn't as assured. Admittedly I avoided Fear Itself and Siege like a plague but if I'm not mistaken hero's who are not seen as being heroes anymore don't usually get to go back to how things were before the event and with Cyclops gaining cosmic power he's certainly in a position to no longer be seen as a hero

@BlackArmor: Technically so was Iron Man after Civil War. Sentry in Siege became a villain (Void) and they went to his funeral. As I keep saying, he may be shaky for awhile as in people don't trust him but it's square one afterwards.

@god_spawn: I guess we'll see how far down the path of shakiness but the moment he goes from shaky to evil (if he does) we might as well consider him dead where he stands (or floats if hes still Cyenix). What bothers me most is that if he does go evil or is killed it won't be well written or in character

@BlackArmor: Nothing about this event is well written except for a few tie ins. But neither was Siege or Fear Itself and those didn't do much.

@god_spawn: I guess we'll see if that applies here.....well the bad writing definitely applies here but I mean about the not doing much part

@BlackArmor said:

@god_spawn: I guess we'll see how far down the path of shakiness but the moment he goes from shaky to evil (if he does) we might as well consider him dead where he stands (or floats if hes still Cyenix). What bothers me most is that if he does go evil or is killed it won't be well written or in character

I don't see him getting killed off but definetly his actions whatever future ones we see will set them back to square one

@Hareil0079 said:

@BlackArmor said:

@god_spawn: I guess we'll see how far down the path of shakiness but the moment he goes from shaky to evil (if he does) we might as well consider him dead where he stands (or floats if hes still Cyenix). What bothers me most is that if he does go evil or is killed it won't be well written or in character

I don't see him getting killed off but definetly his actions whatever future ones we see will set them back to square one

It's a vicious cycle and honestly, that's pretty much all their events have done. Just set something back to square one.

@ReVamp said:

@oraclefyre said:

90s Cyclops was really good. People say the Cyclops of the last 10 years is the "real" Cyclops, But people forget that 90s Cyke was a great leader and tactician. I think people sometime confuse his character development with his leading ability.

Cyclops was always an extraordinarily good leader. Back in Claremont's run, he definitely showed this exceedingly well.

Very true. I grew up reading 90s comics and that's led me to be more familiar how he was in the 90s. But it just frustrates me to no end how people say that Cyclops was a dud before the 2000s. People somehow manage to blame his "crappy leadership" on Jean, which is just a cop out it my opinion and a pathetic excuse. Cyclops leadership has always been great. I remember someone calling Scott of the last 10 years more "relevant" somewhere. If I had his optic blasts I would use them often and frequently. I hate how people seem to treat Scott like separate entities based on the era (which I realised I did, but for arguments sake). Scott has always been Scott. Sure he's gone through changes, but he's merely reacting to circumstance, which is natural.

So yeah...I just get really defensive when it comes to Slim.

No, but the writers are not doing him any favors in portraying him in a way that does not leads others to feel this way. Too many situations where he is shown in a manner where is unusually arrogant or confrontational when it really is not necessary. I'm pretty sure once AvX is over and the writers no longer need to manufacture conflict to push the event he will be portrayed in a more even keel manner again.

even in the most recent comics, cyclops is not portrayed as a supremisits, just as a man who has been pushed to far. he still believes in prof. x dream, he just accomplishes this dream in his own way.

I'd say he is a Mutant nationalist before a Mutant supremacist. Sort of like the Black Panther Party in the 1960s. People like to compare the mutants to the 1960s civil rights movement, commonly Xavier is MLK jr and Magneto is Malcolm X (both having a change of heart). Using these parameters I would say Cyclops is Huey Newton (mixed with Bobby Seale), only Cyclops is more successful in establishing a "nation" for there respective groups.

@god_spawn: Look,we might have disagreed in the past,but i sure as hell agree with you in that one.Cyclops has nothing to do with magneto.Magneto tried to kill all humans to ensure mutant survival,while cyke only defends mutants under attack ,without killing people

Uhmm he did murdered Xavier, his mentor, someone who was like a father to him. Also, he was the Dark Phoenix during AVX who wanted to destroy the whole world and the heroes. That's including his teammate as well, xm. So yes, he's supporting magneto's path. That's no question.

You're wrong.

Right.

@mrnihal: would you please stop bumping year-old Cyclops threads?

Why?Mute your notification.Is this against rules?