Cassandra Cain's Post-Flashpoint respect-thread

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#1 Edited by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra Cain's Post-Flashpoint feats:

- Batman & Robin Eternal #1

Cass easly defeats Agent Grayson (Dick Grayson) while holding-back (on Dick Grayson's own admission), after the fight ended, Cass gave him a usb device, and then disappeared in front of him:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #2 - Ducks In A Row

Cass saves Blue Bird from The Orphan, and the 2 together force The Orphan to flee:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #3 - Seeing Red

It's not clear if Jason was fully-focused on Cass or not, due to him being talking to Dick Grayson while pointing his gun to Cass, but in this instance, Cass apparently speed-blitzes Red Hood (Jason Todd) momentarily, by getting up and kicking him down, faster than he could pull the trigger. In any case, it's either a speed-feat or a skill feat, or both:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #3 - Seeing Red

Cass was stated to not have actually tried to win on both of her fights against the former-Robins, despite having done very well on both ocasions:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #4 - Death In the Pot

Trying to prevent Cass from leaving the Bat-Cave, Harper point her gun to Cass, who looked at Harper and realized that she wouldn't use the gun (presumably, through Body-Reading), and just keeps walking:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #5 - Arms of the Thunderer

Cass and The Orphan manage to get out of a huge room without doors, faster than Batman and Robin (Dick Grayson) could jump from one building to another, which they did in just 3 seconds:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #5 - Arms of the Thunderer

Cass dominates The Orphan on their second fight:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #7 - A Night Out and Batman & Robin Eternal #8 - The Curtain Falls

Thanks to her Body-Reading, Cass learns a new fighting-style based on dancing moves, by just watching a group of balerinas performing in the issue before, and she used it in combat shortly after.

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #11 - Mind Fields

Cassandra's Post-Flashpoint origin / Notice that even at very young age, Cass could already take on any opponent put in front of her, she was even stated as being "unbeatable", something that was only self-assumed in the previous continuity, but never actually mentioned:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #13 - Home Is Where the Heart Is

Cass showing stealth and skill:

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #14 - Scare Tactics

Cass protects Harper from The Orphan by catching a dagger with her right hand, she also protects her further by saving her from the laser-beams fired from a army of robots, and overall taking care of them, to allow Harper to get to the control-room:

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#2 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread will be edited/updated, as Cass performs more feats.

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#4 Edited by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

@keenko said:

Great stuff, @bat_girl_cc.

Thanks! :)

And i just added another instance that i had forgot to put here, when i made the thread.

I'll keep updating it, as soon as Cass performs more feats.

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#5 Posted by Aahz (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not clear if Jason was fully-focused on Cass or not, due to him being talking to Dick Grayson while pointing his gun to Cass, but in this instance, Cass apparently speed-blitzes Red Hood (Jason Todd) momentarily, by getting up and kicking him down, faster than he could pull the trigger. In any case, it's either a speed-feat or a skill feat, or both:

Wouldn't really count this as feat. It's more the standard "Guns are useless" thing, Tim does for example something similar in the Death of the Family Tie in. Guns are traditionally ridiculously ineffective and slow in Batman comics.

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#6 Posted by Gpower (520 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm happy Dc isn't nerfing Cassandra in the new 52

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#7 Edited by Zainu (216 posts) - - Show Bio

@gpower: they already kinda nerfed her(from pre-COIE levels), but I'm just happy that she's exists.

Hope that we'll get to see better feats in the future~

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#8 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz said:

It's not clear if Jason was fully-focused on Cass or not, due to him being talking to Dick Grayson while pointing his gun to Cass, but in this instance, Cass apparently speed-blitzes Red Hood (Jason Todd) momentarily, by getting up and kicking him down, faster than he could pull the trigger. In any case, it's either a speed-feat or a skill feat, or both:

Wouldn't really count this as feat. It's more the standard "Guns are useless" thing, Tim does for example something similar in the Death of the Family Tie in. Guns are traditionally ridiculously ineffective and slow in Batman comics.

Skilled street-levelers just have very fast reactions in close-quarters, which sometimes makes the guns seem useless...But on this instance, we see Cass moving her entire body (getting back up) and then also moving her leg all faster than Jason could do a single simple finger movement, for me it's a clear speed-blitz, and Jason is a expert marksman and a skilled martial artist to a degree, and he was ready to shot her / kill her if need be (we know that Jason has no problem in killing criminals and he had no reason to hold-back on this instance since he thought that Cass was a assassin trying to kill him) all of which makes this a worthy feat in my opinion.

My only issue with it really, is Jason being talking to Dick Grayson, but that doesn't change the fact that he was right in front of Cass looking at her, he just couldn't react fast enough to shot her before getting "kicked away".

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#9 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

@gpower said:

I'm happy Dc isn't nerfing Cassandra in the new 52

Well, they did kinda of nerfed her when compared to when she first debuted, although its still too soon to say what New Cassandras limits skill-wise are, but better than this only old-Cass from over 10 years ago.

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@gpower: they already kinda nerfed her(from pre-COIE levels), but I'm just happy that she's exists.

Hope that we'll get to see better feats in the future~

This New Cass (Scott Snyder/James TynionIV) is better than Adam Becheen Cass and Grant Morrison Cass from what i can tell, and while Kelly Puckett Cass and Joe Kelly Cass are better those are her golden-days, and i don't think will ever be surpassed or even replycated.

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#10 Posted by lxlGiftedlxl (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

Great respect thread.

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#12 Edited by lxlGiftedlxl (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

@bat_girl_cc: No problem. Keep representing the kung fu queen of the Batfamily.

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#13 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by TheHeaven_Guardian10 (2520 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm extremely happy my favorite female finally made her debut in New 52, in a very awesome and badass fashion. I personally enjoyed it very much, now if she can get some hardcore interactions with Mr. Drake. The circle well be complete lol haha lol.

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- Batman & Robin Eternal #26 - New World

- Cassandra's first bullet-timing feat on this new continuity:

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(Cass see's that Harper is about to get shot, and moves in, just in time to take her out of the bullets way and got herself shot instead)

- Cass completely dominates The Mother in close-combat, including disarming The Mother and beating her down in a completely one-sided fight:

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And The Mother had showed some great displays of close-combat skill, specially with swords, managing to overwhelm Damian Wayne, Tim Drake, and Jason Todd, one after the other, in a row, and rather quickly, and she also held her own against Dick Grayson later on:

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#16 Posted by Aahz (1272 posts) - - Show Bio


And The Mother had showed some great displays of close-combat skill, specially with swords, managing to overwhelm Damian Wayne, Tim Drake, and Jason Todd, one after the other, in a row, and rather quickly, and she also held her own against Dick Grayson later on:

Sorry but that scene is really PIS/jobbing. A few pages before she she could barley held her own against Harper Row and than she can suddenly fight all 4 Robins at the same time and one shot 3 of them? Even something Batman, Shiva or Deathstroke should not be able to do this.

Thats as stupid as midnighter being able to take down 12 orphans, or Spoiler being able to hold her own against one of them and later easily zapping three of them, when guys like Black Canary, Katana, Jason or Robobatman weren't able to handle one of them.

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@bat_girl_cc said:

And The Mother had showed some great displays of close-combat skill, specially with swords, managing to overwhelm Damian Wayne, Tim Drake, and Jason Todd, one after the other, in a row, and rather quickly, and she also held her own against Dick Grayson later on:

Sorry but that scene is really PIS/jobbing. A few pages before she she could barley held her own against Harper Row and than she can suddenly fight all 4 Robins at the same time and one shot 3 of them? Even something Batman, Shiva or Deathstroke should not be able to do this.

Thats as stupid as midnighter being able to take down 12 orphans, or Spoiler being able to hold her own against one of them and later easily zapping three of them, when guys like Black Canary, Katana, Jason or Robobatman weren't able to handle one of them.

The Mother wasn't going all out against Harper, because she still had high hopes for Harper, The Mother herself later on states that she's very disapointed with Harper, also it seemed like more than physical fight their fight was a very verbal and mental fight, Harper Rows words were clearly affecting The Mother, same as Dick Graysons did later on, we can see that as one of the fighters goes from dominating the fight to start losing it (Grayson vs Mother) plus The Mother is clearly better in sword-fighting than in just hand-to-hand, although Cassandra's feats its still impressive as she managed to easly disarm The Mother, and even the beating that Cass gave her was impressive since Mother has fast reactions as she showed when she fought the Robins.

And people like Batman, Lady Shiva, and Deathstroke, should be able to walk all over the Robins, Pre-Flashpoint Lady Shiva and both versions of Deathstroke can and have, Dick Grayson on the previous-continuity and Damian Wayne on the current-continuity even had to give Slade money! for him not to kill them.

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#18 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

@aahz: Midnighter is on a completely diferent level of combat in comparisson to the others...he's a very meta-human, and a skilled fighter with pre-cog...Dick holding his own against him on the Grayson series makes way less sense that Midnighter beating 12 fighters.

I agree with you on Spoiler though, she was a bit overpowered.

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#19 Posted by Aahz (1272 posts) - - Show Bio

And people like Batman, Lady Shiva, and Deathstroke, should be able to walk all over the Robins, Pre-Flashpoint Lady Shiva and both versions of Deathstroke can and have, Dick Grayson on the previous-continuity and Damian Wayne on the current-continuity even had to give Slade money! for him not to kill them.

But not against all 4 of them at the same time. And usually one Robin was able to hold his own against them at least for some time.

Midnighter is on a completely diferent level of combat in comparisson to the others...he's a very meta-human, and a skilled fighter with pre-cog...Dick holding his own against him on the Grayson series makes way less sense that Midnighter beating 12 fighters.

I don't know much about Midnighter, my assumption is that he is arround Deathstrokes powerlevel. If he is really able to take easily down 12 guys simultaneously that are stronger than Black Canary, Katana, Jason or Robobatman, he would be much stronger, imo to powerfull for a Batfamily story.

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#20 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

What do you think of Cass on this new continuity? @jashro44@44orhsaj i want to know your thoughts on "new Cass" :p

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