Ms Marvel Respect Thread

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#1 Edited by Kazuma_Bushi (1130 posts) - - Show Bio
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One of my favorite Marvel Heroine's and the character who probably should be the face of Marvel's female heroes.

Ms.Marvel V2 #1

Rescues a group of children and catches a truck

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Defeats Stilt-Man

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Ms. Marvel V2 #2

Fighting Brood

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Fighting more Brood and Cru

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Ms. Marvel V2 #3

Fights and defeats Cru

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Survives an explosion and re-entry into orbit

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Ms. Marvel V2 #4

Even with a broken arm she still manages to defeat Traveler

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Ms. Marvel V2 #5

Fights the Traveler again

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Combining her powers with Doctor Strange she finally manages to defeat Traveler

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Ms. Marvel #6

One-shots the Prowler

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Ms. Marvel #7

Flips Julia Carpenter's car over

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Ms. Marvel V2 #8

Fighting Julia Carpenter

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Ms. Marvel V2 #9

Fights Warbird

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Ms.Marvel V2 #10

Defeats Warbird

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Ms. Marvel V2 #12

Defeats Doomsday Man and an army of Zombies

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Ms Marvel V2 #16

Fighting a blood-lusted Wonder Man while he's under Modok's control

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Ms. Marvel #19

Fighting Tigra and Silverclaw

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Ms. Marvel #20

Defeats Stature

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Taking care of Tigra and Silverclaw

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Survives a huge explosion unscathed

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Ms. Marvel V2 #21

Fighting Cru again

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Survives re-entry into orbit while unconscious

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Kills an alien while depowered

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Ms. Marvel V2 #22

Defeats more aliens while depowered

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Ms. Marvel V2 #23

Destroys a planet while in her Binary form

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Ms. Marvel V2 #24

Fighting Brood while in her Binary form

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Kills the Brood Queen

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Ms Marvel V2 #25

Fighting A.I.M. agents

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Fighting a Skrull

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#2 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6730 posts) - - Show Bio

I respect this. I enjoyed that series. :)

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#3 Posted by linkjt (766 posts) - - Show Bio

love this,Carol is a badass!.

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#4 Edited by kgb725 (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Love it

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#5 Posted by Deadgod (2206 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome thread

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#6 Posted by daedalus25 (146 posts) - - Show Bio

Big thumbs up from me!

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#7 Posted by Malachi_Munroe (3798 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8 Posted by Kazuma_Bushi (1130 posts) - - Show Bio

@kazuma_bushi: OMG! I love you for this thread!

You didn't love my other threads? XD

I actually intended on adding more scans to this thread but I got super lazy lol

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#9 Posted by Malachi_Munroe (3798 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Edited by linkjt (766 posts) - - Show Bio

Amazing Carol.

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#11 Posted by fiodestromus (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

Are there any feats that could be added

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#12 Posted by Nate-Grey (109 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't have scans, but she's got a few fairly impressive feats as Captain Marvel, such as out-thinking and over-powering the Absorbing Man, who's usually one of Thor's sparring partners (admittedly, though, the Absorbing Man isn't very bright).

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#13 Posted by M9ke (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone tell me: what was Carol's original strength level?; when did she get her bump(s)?; what was her max strength level?

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#14 Posted by MarvelMan92 (5145 posts) - - Show Bio

what do you think of her as Carol Danvers ?

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#15 Posted by SheHulk528 (273 posts) - - Show Bio

This needs to be updated asap!Her new showings are so badass from Civil War 2,Hulk,and Avengers Infinity.I would do it but I don't have PC.

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#16 Posted by thor321 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

This needs to be updated asap!Her new showings are so badass from Civil War 2,Hulk,and Avengers Infinity.I would do it but I don't have PC.

huh???

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#17 Posted by poeticwarrior (3526 posts) - - Show Bio

@thor321 said:
@shehulk528 said:

This needs to be updated asap!Her new showings are so badass from Civil War 2,Hulk,and Avengers Infinity.I would do it but I don't have PC.

huh???

Carol straight up murdered Hulkbuster Iron Man and they were both going all out. She also knocked out a weakened Thanos.

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#18 Posted by thor321 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@thor321 said:
@shehulk528 said:

This needs to be updated asap!Her new showings are so badass from Civil War 2,Hulk,and Avengers Infinity.I would do it but I don't have PC.

huh???

Carol straight up murdered Hulkbuster Iron Man and they were both going all out. She also knocked out a weakened Thanos.

damn...

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#19 Posted by SheHulk528 (273 posts) - - Show Bio

I also had this theory!Captain Marvel is an 100 toner now!Cause Hank did theorize that her powers are going to grow even further.So Im guessing she finally move from 92 to 100 tons.

Also the fact that tony had to use the Hulkbuster which is for mostly Hulk lvl threats after he was losing in his Extremis armor(One of his strongest armors) on Cap.M and she beat it.Does that mean she's considered an Hulk lvl threat?

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#20 Posted by Rubear (4643 posts) - - Show Bio

Not bad.

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#21 Posted by thor321 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

I also had this theory!Captain Marvel is an 100 toner now!Cause Hank did theorize that her powers are going to grow even further.So Im guessing she finally move from 92 to 100 tons.

Also the fact that tony had to use the Hulkbuster which is for mostly Hulk lvl threats after he was losing in his Extremis armor(One of his strongest armors) on Cap.M and she beat it.Does that mean she's considered an Hulk lvl threat?

well, yeah.

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#22 Posted by SheHulk528 (273 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol!ICarol has a feat that's missing also for her Binary.In Battle with Rogue at the X men mansion she punched Rogue into space.

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#23 Edited by KrleAvenger (26346 posts) - - Show Bio

@shehulk528: No because she was already stomped by other Hulkbuster suit despite the fact that she had help from other Avengers and that same Hulkbuster failed to beat Iron-man.

Carol also wasn't able to beat Stark in his weakest armor even tho she was amped by absorbing the energy of a whole city and wanted to kill Stark while Stark did not want to fight her. War Machine also noticed she is weaker than Iron-man because of his own experience.

Hell when Stark sucker punched her she was one shotted. Yes she was drunk but that was his weakest armor. Carol was also one shotted by Doctor Green, one of the weakest Hulk's ever and while she blitzed him with her Full strength to the point of being exausted, Hulk was laughing at her.

That fight you are talking about was writen by Bendis, one of the worst Writers when it comes to power levels. You claim how powerful Hulkbuster is powerful well in that same fight in that same comic Captain America (street level character) tanked Iron-man's missiles, same missiles that actually made Red Hulk and Classic Hulk scream in pain. Shows how much Bendis knows about character's abilities.

But yeah, Hulk >>> Iron-man >>> Carol.

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#24 Edited by thor321 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: and Thor is struggling against some random aliens and got pinned down who are as strong as regular humans. maybe a bit super human.

inconsistencies.

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#25 Posted by KrleAvenger (26346 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by SheHulk528 (273 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: All those encounters back than she weaker and Hank said her powers are gonna grow.Civil War 2 they grew.

The missle thing....Hmmm I think they were rushing just so they could get that book out of the way.But I believe he survived that because he got a upgrade from Hydra.There has to be a logical explanation.

Things change characters died,Some gotten stronger,some weaker etc....

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#27 Posted by KrleAvenger (26346 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: All those encounters back than she weaker and Hank said her powers are gonna grow.Civil War 2 they grew.

There is no evidence she became stronger. It was never explained when her powers will grow and how much they will increase. In fact, some of her powers, like energy manipulation for example were weakened.

The missle thing....Hmmm I think they were rushing just so they could get that book out of the way.But I believe he survived that because he got a upgrade from Hydra.There has to be a logical explanation.

Logical explanation is how Bendis wrote another shitty story when it comes to power levels like he always does. There is no evidence he gained any upgrade from Hydra. Cap is indeed durable enough to survive an explosion from missiles. Is he durable enough to tank missiles from Iron-man? Without PIS/WIS or context no. But under Bendis's bad writing and lack of knowledge of course he can. So Carol defeated an Iron-man who can't kill a street level character. Good for her.

Things change characters died,Some gotten stronger,some weaker etc....

Carol is still way weaker than Iron-man based on feats.

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#28 Edited by thor321 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: I'm trying to say that PL in this kind of comics are bull***.

Carol beat Iron - Man is bullshit to you(me also)but Thor struggling against some random aliens that are not even a building level is the biggest bullshit so Carol beating Iron - Man is not THAT much of a big deal to me.

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#29 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

It's hard to respect her now. Maybe sexy Brie Larson will do someth....nah nvm

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#30 Posted by EcstaticGrace (7138 posts) - - Show Bio

@shehulk528 said:

@krleavenger: All those encounters back than she weaker and Hank said her powers are gonna grow.Civil War 2 they grew.

There is no evidence she became stronger. It was never explained when her powers will grow and how much they will increase. In fact, some of her powers, like energy manipulation for example were weakened.

The missle thing....Hmmm I think they were rushing just so they could get that book out of the way.But I believe he survived that because he got a upgrade from Hydra.There has to be a logical explanation.

Logical explanation is how Bendis wrote another shitty story when it comes to power levels like he always does. There is no evidence he gained any upgrade from Hydra. Cap is indeed durable enough to survive an explosion from missiles. Is he durable enough to tank missiles from Iron-man? Without PIS/WIS or context no. But under Bendis's bad writing and lack of knowledge of course he can. So Carol defeated an Iron-man who can't kill a street level character. Good for her.

Things change characters died,Some gotten stronger,some weaker etc....

Carol is still way weaker than Iron-man based on feats.

Yes there is. Ms Marvel v2 #21 and #22 says that when Carol and Cru separate, they'll both become stronger. Carol and Cru separated in Ms Marvel v2 #23.

My question for awhile has been why are alot of these armors suggested to be physically superior to the older ones by posters? When they've done pretty much the same stuff in regards to combat and some less in regards to feats.. where does anyone get the idea there more stronger or faster. I can understand overall power, but physicals. Not really.

I see a lot of Bendis feats for Iron Man used in threads for Stark supporters, they go out the window when there against or something? Given what I've been involved in recently I've also seen alot of things referenced for Iron Man in several threads over, with pretty critical context.

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@krleavenger: I'm trying to say that PL in this kind of comics are bull***.

Carol beat Iron - Man is bullshit to you(me also)but Thor struggling against some random aliens that are not even a building level is biggest bullshit so Carol beating Iron - Man is not THAT much of a big deal to me.

It really isn't if you compare how they've been operating.

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#31 Posted by KrleAvenger (26346 posts) - - Show Bio

@thor321: I don't care what is a big deal to you. It does not matter how big of a gap between power levels is. Inconsistency is inconsistency. You are trying to say how Carol beating Iron-man is something that should not be debatable because there are worse things like Thor struggling against street level characters? Sorry but that sounds like bullshit to me.

Yes there is. Ms Marvel v2 #21 and #22 says that when Carol and Cru separate, they'll both become stronger. Carol and Cru separated in Ms Marvel v2 #23.

But we don't know how much. Or do we?

My question for awhile has been why are alot of these armors suggested to be physically superior to the older ones by posters?

When they've done pretty much the same stuff in regards to combat and some less in regards to feats.. where does anyone get the idea there more stronger or faster. I can understand overall power, but physicals. Not really.

Man I don't know. Trust me, there are a lot of Modern armors weaker than Classic Armors. For instance there is Heroes Return Armor from late 90s. It was his standard armor just before 2000s and that armor is his weakest armor by feats.

The Iron-man that lost to Carol is featless Hulkbuster who failed to damage Captain America by any significant margin.

I see a lot of Bendis feats for Iron Man used in threads for Stark supporters, they go out the window when there against or something?

While most people would consider that argument to be full of double standards, it is not that way. It is ok to use feats from Bendis if they are comparable to character's consistent showing. For instance, if Thor destroys the planet and it is written by Bendis than it is valid because Thor shown to be capable of destroying the planet more than once.

If Thor punched Iron-man with his full strength and he fails to take him down it is a bad writing because Thor is more than capable of taking down Iron-man with his full strength. If an instance like that is written by Bendis then we use that argument on how it is written by Bendis who usually writes other characters as too strong or too weak. However, sometimes he writes a comic where character does something he is capable of based on consistent showing and those are feats Iron-man supporters use. At least I do. I don't know about the others.

Given what I've been involved in recently I've also seen alot of things referenced for Iron Man in several threads over, with pretty critical context.

What do you mean?

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#32 Edited by thor321 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: well, I'm not much on this forums so I don't know but tehre are BS things in the comics as well.

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@thor321: I don't care what is a big deal to you. It does not matter how big of a gap between power levels is. Inconsistency is inconsistency. You are trying to say how Carol beating Iron-man is something that should not be debatable because there are worse things like Thor struggling against street level characters? Sorry but that sounds like bullshit to me.

I never said that.

I said that PL are pretty much inconsistent and we cannot do much about it. its not the first time.

I'm a Thor fan(obviously because of my name haha)and when I saw him struggling against some random weak ass aliens, I find that to be worse than this. that guy fought Galactus, Silver Surfer, Celestials, Hulk etc and yet his struggles against some aliens. really??? but I'm not gonna bitch much about it. we have our dear Female Thor who fights Odin on equal grounds LMAO.

I guess this is the same thing to you when Carol beat Iron - Man.

besides, its Bendis. he doesn't care about those stuff. he is doing his own narrative without thinking.

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#33 Posted by KrleAvenger (26346 posts) - - Show Bio

@thor321: OK sorry I did not understand your comment. Yeah well I said the same thing. It is inconsistent so I'm explaining why it is inconsistent.

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#34 Edited by EcstaticGrace (7138 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger said:

@thor321: I don't care what is a big deal to you. It does not matter how big of a gap between power levels is. Inconsistency is inconsistency. You are trying to say how Carol beating Iron-man is something that should not be debatable because there are worse things like Thor struggling against street level characters? Sorry but that sounds like bullshit to me.

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Yes there is. Ms Marvel v2 #21 and #22 says that when Carol and Cru separate, they'll both become stronger. Carol and Cru separated in Ms Marvel v2 #23.

But we don't know how much. Or do we?

My question for awhile has been why are alot of these armors suggested to be physically superior to the older ones by posters?

When they've done pretty much the same stuff in regards to combat and some less in regards to feats.. where does anyone get the idea there more stronger or faster. I can understand overall power, but physicals. Not really.

Man I don't know. Trust me, there are a lot of Modern armors weaker than Classic Armors. For instance there is Heroes Return Armor from late 90s. It was his standard armor just before 2000s and that armor is his weakest armor by feats.

The Iron-man that lost to Carol is featless Hulkbuster who failed to damage Captain America by any significant margin.

I see a lot of Bendis feats for Iron Man used in threads for Stark supporters, they go out the window when there against or something?

While most people would consider that argument to be full of double standards, it is not that way. It is ok to use feats from Bendis if they are comparable to character's consistent showing. For instance, if Thor destroys the planet and it is written by Bendis than it is valid because Thor shown to be capable of destroying the planet more than once.

If Thor punched Iron-man with his full strength and he fails to take him down it is a bad writing because Thor is more than capable of taking down Iron-man with his full strength. If an instance like that is written by Bendis then we use that argument on how it is written by Bendis who usually writes other characters as too strong or too weak. However, sometimes he writes a comic where character does something he is capable of based on consistent showing and those are feats Iron-man supporters use. At least I do. I don't know about the others.

Given what I've been involved in recently I've also seen alot of things referenced for Iron Man in several threads over, with pretty critical context.

What do you mean?

Iron Man's physical feats depend on other characters he has none that are to impressive on his own. Similar to characters like Spider Man even in regards to strength. That's a fact. Not saying he'd lose to Spider Man but in his entire history he might have one feat characters like Ben Grimm and Spider man can't replicate. And Stark has several appearances.

We get an idea by later feats how much stronger she is. She operated differently ever since #23 on a physical standpoint. On top of that a suggested amp is an amp all the same.

Really someone told me authors Statements suggest this is Stark's strongest Hulkbuster.

If Thor punched Iron-man with his full strength and he fails to take him down it is a bad writing because Thor is more than capable of taking down Iron-man with his full strength. If an instance like that is written by Bendis

I've been saying the same thing for a long time now..The problem with story perspective fights is we can only assume how much force is being used in a punch.

Keeping in mind I'm in a CAV against Iron Man and this is a Carol Danvers thread. I think it would be more respectful to the OP to create a thread if any complaint are wanted to be made against CW II.

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#35 Posted by thor321 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: np.

I'm accustomed to this shit for a long time.

New Marvel is bad to begin with so its bound to have inconsistencies.

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#36 Posted by KrleAvenger (26346 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: I have to tell you one thing. You are saying hiw Stark does not have feats on his own and that is far from truth. He has several feats like lifting a meteor, stopping falling satelite, destroying one of the largest mountains on the planet, busting more mountains, tanking nukes that can destroy large countries, traveled from Earth to the Sun, escaping the black hole, escaping from explosion...

Stark has more showing on his own than he has against other characters.

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#37 Posted by EcstaticGrace (7138 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: All I ever typically see on threads is who he's punched in the face. It was ignorant of me to suggest he doesn't have feats on his own. Alot of this stuff would be great to see sometime in the future.

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#38 Posted by KrleAvenger (26346 posts) - - Show Bio
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#39 Posted by SheHulk528 (273 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow!I never thought it was that serious...

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#40 Posted by poeticwarrior (3526 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Captain America was hit with a direct blast, he was blasted away from the explosion, not that he was hit with it directly. Iron Man was fighting Captain Marvel, and the missiles just hit Captain America by mistake. When you look at the panel, it shows Captain America being blown away.

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