Big Barda appreciation. Who thinks she deserves some?

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#101 Posted by One_Eye (791 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
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I think we should get a new Mr. Miracle and Big Barda series
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YES
Agreed. I've always been a fan of any heroine that can hang with the powerhouses of the comic world.((That's one of the many reasons I love Powergirl so much:) ))
As for Barda I've always loved the dynamic of wife being the physically more imposing figure.  It makes me love the two of them even more so!
And why we're on the subject; does DC have ANY plans for the New Gods what with the mass reboot coming...?
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#102 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Barda will return in the DC Reboot.

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#103 Posted by Timandm (3393 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: So... When you ask, "Who thinks she deserves some?"       Some what exactly?
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#104 Edited by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

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Steve Rude and Jack Kirby
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#105 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: Apprecitaion, of course. That's the name of the thread.@turoksonofstone said:

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Steve Rude and Jack Kirby

Nice images. I particulary like the first one, by Jack Kirby, naturally.

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#106 Posted by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  
lol. My Fault that was Steve Rude's and Beatty's.  
Now it's Rude and Kirby. 
Can you believe DC just rejected Steve Rude's pitch for a Barda/Furies book? 
Fail again DC. I would have picked it up.
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#107 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@turoksonofstone said:

@PowerHerc: lol. My Fault that was Steve Rude's and Beatty's. Now it's Rude and Kirby. Can you believe DC just rejected Steve Rude's pitch for a Barda/Furies book? Fail again DC. I would have picked it up.

I would have bought it as well. Fail again DC, is right!

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#108 Posted by Timandm (3393 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: Ahh.
 
Well...Perhaps she's not been as appreciated as she should be because she keeps such big company....  I haven't read that much with her in it, but she seems like an excellent character...  So, what happened to Mr. Miracle?
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#109 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio

  After the Superman Porno comic, Barda deserves as much respect as possible.  

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#110 Edited by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: Good point. She does kind of get lost amidst the rest of the New Gods, sometimes.

Mr. Miracle was slain during the 'Death of the New Gods' story, but has apparently been ressurrected since.

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#111 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita: Lol.

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#112 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  It's true, but knowing DC, when they go so far to allow a character to be so brutally insulted, they're not gonna do anything to redeem that character.  Freaking DC, always finding out new ways to screw with their fans.
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#113 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita: Yes, they definitely didn't treat her with the respect she deserves/deserved. With all of DC's changing, mixing, shuffling and reshuffling of their continuity who knows if this is considered to have happened? But, alas, they pulished it and we saw/read it, so it happened. You make me think, though; That incident happened a long time ago, but it seems more like the kinda shit the big two pull these days.

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#114 Edited by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  We share the same sentiments.  When it comes to those abstract, characters who don't share the publicity nor the fame of their big name heroes, they seem to always get the bitter end of the deal.  In fact, it's twice as easy to name characters who don't get their needed respect, as it is to name the few characters who do get respect (I.e. any character that has a movie{s} are the one's who get their correct due).  The big two have the undeniable habit of taking a vast majority of awesome characters, and throwing them down the toilet like yesterday's news.  
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#115 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita: Agreed. They don't realize the value of their less known characters.

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#116 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  It's really  a spit in the face to the creators of these beloved characters.  "Hey, we know you put all that effort and thought into creating these characters, well, we just used the bathroom and we need toilet paper, and those character designs make a mighty fine paper."  It's these things that keep me from reading DC and Marvel anymore.
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#117 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita:

It definitely ends up being 'spit in the face' of the creators of the lesser known characters.

Do you think they do it with that in mind?

Do you think it's the creators who are doing it of their own volition or do you think they do it because of editiorial mandate/directive?

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#118 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  I wouldn't necessarily say they go and do this just to spit in the face of the creators, but I'm sure they know that what they are doing is a spit in the face.  Like With Captain Marvel, when you have so many big name writers who want to write a story about him Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, Gail Simone, and so many others who are known to sell comics, and you go and put a no name writer on a book just to depower the character, that's a spit in the f ace.  I think part of the blame is on the writers, but most is on the editorial mandate.  I mean, unless you're Geoff Johns, or Grant Morrison in DC and Bendis or Loeb in Marvel, you don't get the option to just go and say, "Hey, let's not kill off this character" or, "Hey, I want to write a story to bring (such and such) character back to life"  It's disappointing that names and status, mean more than good story telling.  It's funny, to me at least, that these companies complain about not selling well when they don't even make the attempt to put out such a wider variety of characters out to the general public.  But, once again, when you have people like Dan Didiot leading the charge in editorial, you don't get that opportunity to expand upon the universe that's been created.
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#119 Posted by MrUnknown (1727 posts) - - Show Bio

Big Barda is awesome! She should get her own series or if that is too much to ask then be a member of Justice League!!

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#120 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita said:

@PowerHerc: I wouldn't necessarily say they go and do this just to spit in the face of the creators, but I'm sure they know that what they are doing is a spit in the face. Like With Captain Marvel, when you have so many big name writers who want to write a story about him Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, Gail Simone, and so many others who are known to sell comics, and you go and put a no name writer on a book just to depower the character, that's a spit in the f ace. I think part of the blame is on the writers, but most is on the editorial mandate. I mean, unless you're Geoff Johns, or Grant Morrison in DC and Bendis or Loeb in Marvel, you don't get the option to just go and say, "Hey, let's not kill off this character" or, "Hey, I want to write a story to bring (such and such) character back to life" It's disappointing that names and status, mean more than good story telling. It's funny, to me at least, that these companies complain about not selling well when they don't even make the attempt to put out such a wider variety of characters out to the general public. But, once again, when you have people like Dan Didiot leading the charge in editorial, you don't get that opportunity to expand upon the universe that's been created.

Yes, well said. It's a damn shame that the politics of status pollute comics just like they do almost everywhere else. What you say about their obvious intent in mishandling/sinking many characters is, from a business perspective, sheer folly. Anyone with any business sense at all would want to maximize profits by getting the most out of all the products/properties he could. DC and Marvel seem to be determined to only spotlight their major characters, while simutaneously sitting on or shitting on some of their best characters.

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#121 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  I agree, if you want to get the money that you complain about not getting so much, instead of making another Wolverine title, take advantage of the fact that, as a company, both Marvel and DC have been around for over 40 or so years, and they've had enough talent throughout the years to just sit down and write multiple stories with multiple characters and all without a single fan having to complain, "this character is getting over saturated, I'm done with them."   But, these companies have no business sense so we'll forever get the over-saturation of great characters before they're killed off.  Then the cycle will just repeat.
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#122 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita: Yes, and while doing this endless cycle they've started they'll continue to tweek and mess with the very characters they tend to advocate until they're so different from how the true fans remember/see/like them, that they'll run all the most loyal, hardcore fans off. Then they really will be sunk. The busniess model and strategy they've embraced may prove to eventually be suicidal for them.

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#123 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  It's already started happening to so many great characters, and being a Marvel family advocate, we saw this happen with Mary, Billy, and Freddy over the years.  DC and Marvel still have the mainstream fans, but so many hardcore fans are already leaving for new ventures.  They really don't have any integrity.
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#124 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita: I agree completely. It's my opinion that no character has been under-used and more mistreated by DC than Captain Marvel (Billy Batson). I think they acquired him, and the rest of the Marvel Family, just to keep him from possibly supplanting Superman in sales and popularity (like he did in the 40's).

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#125 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  That's exactly what I think.  They didn't but the rights to the character to take advantage of his fan base, they just took advantage of the opportunity to prevent anyone else from taking advantage of the chance to create a hero that could compete with Superman.  Worst part is that if they can do it to characters like the Marvel family, they'll do it to others.  Respect for this characters is never given where it's due.
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#126 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita: I actually like Superman, but I feel like DC shouldn't try to artificially protect him/his popularity from a character they happen to own. Imagine the stories that could have been told if Supes and Cap were both given the spotlight in an effort to promote both. If that could/would happen: Everyone wins! As it is they've made Superman into a p.c. emo candy-ass and they've continually left Cap to languish in the background (when he appears at all) while Superman and Batman get 5 books each. Oh, and let's not forget Wonder Woman continually getting more chances at ongoing titles only to have them fail. Still she gets more, while Cap languishes. They do seem to like using Cap's greatest foe as a universal threat/villain, though. Black Adam is well handled and portrayed; he's a high-powered, mean as hell badass who can throw down with anyone. It's too bad they only show him this way so heroes other than Cap can take him down. Cap should be every bit the hero that Black Adam is the villain, but DC is only committed to one of these characters. The villain.

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#127 Posted by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita@PowerHerc:  
Sweet Mini Round-table between you. 
Deserves it's own thread.
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#128 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@turoksonofstone said:

@Amegashita: @PowerHerc: Sweet Mini Round-table between you. Deserves it's own thread.

Thanks. You should've joined in. It'd be good to hear your opinions.

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#129 Posted by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

@Amegashita: I actually like Superman, but I feel like DC shouldn't try to artificially protect him/his popularity from a character they happen to own. Imagine the stories that could have been told if Supes and Cap were both given the spotlight in an effort to promote both. If that could/would happen: Everyone wins! As it is they've made Superman into a p.c. emo candy-ass and they've continually left Cap to languish in the background (when he appears at all) while Superman and Batman get 5 books each. Oh, and let's not forget Wonder Woman continually getting more chances at ongoing titles only to have them fail. Still she gets more, while Cap languishes. They do seem to like using Cap's greatest foe as a universal threat/villain, though. Black Adam is well handled and portrayed; he's a high-powered, mean as hell badass who can throw down with anyone. It's too bad they only show him this way so heroes other than Cap can take him down. Cap should be every bit the hero that Black Adam is the villain, but DC is only committed to one of these characters. The villain.

They have a weird hold on the Wonder Woman rights at DC and MUST periodically publish a Wonder Woman book or they could lose the rights. Just sayin'. 
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#130 Posted by JonesDeini (3874 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  
Love, love, love this woman!
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#131 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonesDeini said:

@PowerHerc: Love, love, love this woman!

Me too!

@turoksonofstone: Thanks for the info. I didn't know this.

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#132 Posted by jrock85 (2882 posts) - - Show Bio

Hell yes, Barda deserves some appreciation! Here's hoping she'll  be around after the reboot.

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#133 Posted by JonesDeini (3874 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85 said:
Hell yes, Barda deserves some appreciation! Here's hoping she'll  be around after the reboot.
She damned well better had be!
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#134 Posted by JonesDeini (3874 posts) - - Show Bio
@turoksonofstone said:
@PowerHerc said:

@Amegashita: I actually like Superman, but I feel like DC shouldn't try to artificially protect him/his popularity from a character they happen to own. Imagine the stories that could have been told if Supes and Cap were both given the spotlight in an effort to promote both. If that could/would happen: Everyone wins! As it is they've made Superman into a p.c. emo candy-ass and they've continually left Cap to languish in the background (when he appears at all) while Superman and Batman get 5 books each. Oh, and let's not forget Wonder Woman continually getting more chances at ongoing titles only to have them fail. Still she gets more, while Cap languishes. They do seem to like using Cap's greatest foe as a universal threat/villain, though. Black Adam is well handled and portrayed; he's a high-powered, mean as hell badass who can throw down with anyone. It's too bad they only show him this way so heroes other than Cap can take him down. Cap should be every bit the hero that Black Adam is the villain, but DC is only committed to one of these characters. The villain.

They have a weird hold on the Wonder Woman rights at DC and MUST periodically publish a Wonder Woman book or they could lose the rights. Just sayin'. 
Did not know that man. Much like Fox with Marvel's film rights. I really do feel that DC has a policy about keeping there Big 3 in the spotlight at the expense of others. This is especially true of those with similar power sets or skills with Cap and Supes being a perfect example. Wondy is a part of the official "Trinity" but let's be real. DC doesn't care about her. The real DC Trinity is Batman, Superman, and currently Green Lantern. Basically whoever DC's golden boy writer of the moment is gets to determine that Third spot. It's no accident that Hal's front and center on that "Drawing The Line" poster. 
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#135 Posted by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@JonesDeini:  
Agreed. Batman is the only one with a truly secure"Trinity" spot now.
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#136 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonesDeini: I completely agree.

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#137 Posted by JonesDeini (3874 posts) - - Show Bio
@turoksonofstone:  
Grant Morrison and Chris Nolan'll do that for you. Supes has to have a defacto spot no matter how uninteresting his title's may be.  
 
@PowerHerc:  
I think that the DCAU really get's it a lot more than the comics do. I think nothing shows this more than the Patriot Act ep of JLU. In fact JLU pretty much shows how to use their roster of characters to their full capacity. 
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#138 Posted by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@JonesDeini:  
time will tell on that defacto spot...
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#139 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonesDeini: The creators of JLU were quite skilled at giving every character a moment to shine. DC editiorial should take note.

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#140 Posted by JonesDeini (3874 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  
Agree, some of the best episodes didn't feature the big 3 prominently.  
@turoksonofstone:  
Indeed, man. Looks like they're trying to return him back to prominence with Morrison on Action, Perez on Superman,and having him front and Center in the JLA artwork  
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#141 Posted by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@JonesDeini:  
In the end the revamp version will have to pass a test, that test is YOU the loyal DC fan. This is not going to be the same old Superman we know. Despite the talents on hand, I don't see it working.
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#142 Posted by Silkcuts (6040 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc: AGREED!
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#143 Posted by daak1212 (8386 posts) - - Show Bio
@JonesDeini said:
@turoksonofstone said:
@PowerHerc said:

@Amegashita: I actually like Superman, but I feel like DC shouldn't try to artificially protect him/his popularity from a character they happen to own. Imagine the stories that could have been told if Supes and Cap were both given the spotlight in an effort to promote both. If that could/would happen: Everyone wins! As it is they've made Superman into a p.c. emo candy-ass and they've continually left Cap to languish in the background (when he appears at all) while Superman and Batman get 5 books each. Oh, and let's not forget Wonder Woman continually getting more chances at ongoing titles only to have them fail. Still she gets more, while Cap languishes. They do seem to like using Cap's greatest foe as a universal threat/villain, though. Black Adam is well handled and portrayed; he's a high-powered, mean as hell badass who can throw down with anyone. It's too bad they only show him this way so heroes other than Cap can take him down. Cap should be every bit the hero that Black Adam is the villain, but DC is only committed to one of these characters. The villain.

They have a weird hold on the Wonder Woman rights at DC and MUST periodically publish a Wonder Woman book or they could lose the rights. Just sayin'. 
Did not know that man. Much like Fox with Marvel's film rights. I really do feel that DC has a policy about keeping there Big 3 in the spotlight at the expense of others. This is especially true of those with similar power sets or skills with Cap and Supes being a perfect example. Wondy is a part of the official "Trinity" but let's be real. DC doesn't care about her. The real DC Trinity is Batman, Superman, and currently Green Lantern. Basically whoever DC's golden boy writer of the moment is gets to determine that Third spot. It's no accident that Hal's front and center on that "Drawing The Line" poster. 
Not necessarily, Geoff Johns seems to be making his own trinity int he form of Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Flash.  Not the establish trinity but currently the three most prominent forefront characters in DC.
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#144 Edited by JonesDeini (3874 posts) - - Show Bio
@daak1212:  
Totally agree that Johns wants his own Trinity, he's been lobbying for Barry/Arthur for years, but the only one he's firmly slid into that lot is Hal. Batman's not going anywhere anytime soon and Supes kind of get's an auto spot and priority at DC. As far as a personal trinity goes I'll definitely say that you nailed his 3 favs. I think he could've given Aquaman that kind of prominence with Brightest Day. Hey may pull it off with Flashpoint though. 
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#145 Edited by turoksonofstone (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@daak1212 said:

@JonesDeini said:

@turoksonofstone said:
@PowerHerc said:

@Amegashita: I actually like Superman, but I feel like DC shouldn't try to artificially protect him/his popularity from a character they happen to own. Imagine the stories that could have been told if Supes and Cap were both given the spotlight in an effort to promote both. If that could/would happen: Everyone wins! As it is they've made Superman into a p.c. emo candy-ass and they've continually left Cap to languish in the background (when he appears at all) while Superman and Batman get 5 books each. Oh, and let's not forget Wonder Woman continually getting more chances at ongoing titles only to have them fail. Still she gets more, while Cap languishes. They do seem to like using Cap's greatest foe as a universal threat/villain, though. Black Adam is well handled and portrayed; he's a high-powered, mean as hell badass who can throw down with anyone. It's too bad they only show him this way so heroes other than Cap can take him down. Cap should be every bit the hero that Black Adam is the villain, but DC is only committed to one of these characters. The villain.

They have a weird hold on the Wonder Woman rights at DC and MUST periodically publish a Wonder Woman book or they could lose the rights. Just sayin'. 
Did not know that man. Much like Fox with Marvel's film rights. I really do feel that DC has a policy about keeping there Big 3 in the spotlight at the expense of others. This is especially true of those with similar power sets or skills with Cap and Supes being a perfect example. Wondy is a part of the official "Trinity" but let's be real. DC doesn't care about her. The real DC Trinity is Batman, Superman, and currently Green Lantern. Basically whoever DC's golden boy writer of the moment is gets to determine that Third spot. It's no accident that Hal's front and center on that "Drawing The Line" poster. 
Not necessarily, Geoff Johns seems to be making his own trinity int he form of Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Flash.  Not the establish trinity but currently the three most prominent forefront characters in DC.
Agreed, but Batman will now always bethe DC powerhouse.($$$)
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#146 Posted by daak1212 (8386 posts) - - Show Bio
@JonesDeini said:
@daak1212:  Totally agree that Johns wants his own Trinity, he's been lobbying for Barry/Arthur for years, but the only one he's firmly slid into that lot is Hal. Batman's not going anywhere anytime soon and Supes kind of get's an auto spot and priority at DC. As far as a personal trinity goes I'll definitely say that you nailed his 3 favs. I think he could've given Aquaman that kind of prominence with Brightest Day. Hey may pull it off with Flashpoint though. 
I think he was planning to do it with Aquawar.
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#147 Edited by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  I agree, it's pretty reflective of the state of comic books as a whole, there have been some good stories told with both Billy and Clark in them, but those are a dime a dozen.  What's most disappointing, as a fan in general, is how they continually made the bright Marvel family into some emo dbags.  Let alone, every Billy fan wants to kill Freddy, but that's what comics are now.  They become darker, and darker until at some point, we can't even determine who is a hero, and who is a villain.  In fact, ever since Geoff Johns came along to change the villain Black Adam, into the anti-hero.  There are some good stories with him, but it's disappointing that characters seem to get more respect when they're anti-heroes than when they are true blue heroes.  Well that's DC for you, always trying to catch up to Marvel and their anti-hero-ness.  As a Marvel Family fan, that's really the most aggravating.  Black Adam has become powered to the point where there's no way Billy could fight him.  It's even worse when you see the Sivana family in the last Batman comic and no signs of Billy, but I'm ranting now, best to stop.  To summarize it, DC he has so many great characters, but of course   
 
@turoksonofstone:  Seriously?  Wow, that's pretty interesting.  Now if only certain character's could have the same copyright ...  
 
@daak1212:  I see what you're talking about, but until the Flash, and Aquaman get 5 titles each focusing on them and their families, they'll never be the true new trinity.
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#148 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

@Amegashita: You nailed it! DC wants to make to many of their characters more like Marvel's characters. Black Adam getting changed into an anti-hero is bullshit! He's a supervillain; always has been, always will be. Making him more powerful than Billy is even worse. Black Adam maybe/could be equal to Billy in power or maybe even slightly less powerful, but he should never actually be clearly more powerful than the Big Red Cheese. I've also noticed all the Billy fans not likeing Freddy and all the Freddy fans not liking Billy. What is this shit? Twilight? Personally, I like both characters and have since the late 70's. Liking one doesn't mean you can't like the other. Sivana popping up as a foil for Batman, with Captain Marvel/Marvel Family nowhere to be found, is another pile of shit. Doesn't Batman have enough villains to fight without having to use Cap's? It's sad, really.

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#149 Posted by cosmo111687 (1583 posts) - - Show Bio

There's nothing not to love about Big Barda. Would love to see a new series with her in it. (Something like "New Furies" or "Valkries", Barda recruits female allies from worlds ravaged by Darkseid in her effort to free the Furies from Granny Goodness. Guest-starring Mr. Miracle.)

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#150 Edited by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc:  It's somewhat understandable, I mean, there's a reason why Marvel sells better than DC, but it's not because of their anti-heroes, which is what DC is pretty much assuming.  It's even worse when Black Adam has the same power set as Billy, and even when Billy controls all magic as Lord Marvel (which still was the worst thing ever) Black Adam can mop the floor with him.  What kind of bs is that?  As for the Billy fans hating the Freddy fans is that Billy is the only Cap, let alone, Freddy and Billy are the same age (or should be) so it makes no sense for Billy to give up his mantle to Freddy when the age difference is nothing like between Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson.  Let alone, if Billy wouldn't even let his sister use the name Captain Marvel, why would he let Freddy?  I like Freddy, not as Captain Marvel, but as a character, until Judd Winnick ruined him and Billy.  Doctor Sivana would never be a plausble foil for Bruce, ever.  Him and his family was designed to counteract Billy's family, in fact in my eyes they're representative of the Seven Virtues vs the Seven Deadly Sins, the virtues represented by Billy's family, and the Sin's Sivana's family.  It's just, crap. 
 
@cosmo111687:  That would be an awesome series, I'd give it a thorough read through.

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