I personally believe that he was in option for some role in that Batman trillogy, but after he don't get it... he start talking this nonsense.

Better than the first Iron Man movie. The second 2 Iron Man movies were mierda.

That man did a lot of drugs.

So he is just another guy with an opinion. Good for him

Lmao

I would too when a cbm stomps over your cbm in the same year.

Meh..

The absolute madman...

People are entitled their opinions, that doesn't mean you gotta drag past DRUG problems into the equation. And one thing I agree: WHY did Bat have to pretend to be the villain? To preserve Dent's image? That doesn't make sense, just put the whole thing on the Joker. No one will question it and it's closer to the truth than putting the whole thing on Batman...

TDK was an amazing trilogy, but it had plenty of WTH moments.

They do explain why Batman had to take the fall. Dent was throughout being set up as the legitimate white knight of Gotham that was going to replace the vigilantism of Batman with law and order, he could still do that as a martyr, but he couldn't if it came to light he had gone insane and started killing people based on a coin toss.

Srly! Put the whole thing on Joker! It preserves BOTH: Bats and Dent's image, it's closer to the truth, and it could be twisted as 'Dent became a martyr fighting for justice, while Bats with all the vigilantism shtick accomplished nothing'. Bat will come out as more or less useless in face of all the injustice, while Dent 'sacrifice' is heroic and still fighting for the system without vigilantism. And Bruce could STILL 'retire' after that with 'Batman clearly is not what this city needs, he didn't make an actual difference'. Lie, but after that particular twist, the public won't question it...

Problem was that they couldn't. Dent whacked a dirty cop, shot a driver which killed the driver and knocked another bent cop over the head before targeting Gordon's family. The police had Batman at the scene of Dent's death, Batman was seen meeting with Dent by that crackpot he made off with, he already had his hands on the mob boss and broken his legs, and he was always after crooked cops. All Gordon needed to fabricate was his own and Barbara's statements about the last encounter (which was why his marriage fell apart), and get the loon to say he saw Batman shouting at Dent.

You can't put these things on the Joker, the loon was actively employed by him, and when Dent died the Joker was already on his way to Arkham, he had already ruined the mobster and the two cops meant nothing to the grand scheme of things.

So what if the timline doesn't fit? Gordon would have to fabricate their statements anyways and who is going to say otherwise? If the Joker is clinically insane enough not to be put to the death row, then why is he sane enough to TESTIFY of all things?

Its probably because, The Dark Knight is a combination of three words that is too big for little minds.

The Joker wouldn't need to testify, as a matter of fact, they shouldn't want to involve him at all because he would expose them the first chance they got. All Gordon would need to do is:

• Go out and say: Batman killed Dent and the others.
• Convince his wife and son to say the same.
• Get the loon to say he saw Batman confronting Dent. But this is optional, since... why would you believe anything he said? Like the DA putting a gun to his head?
• Bribe Ramirez, the bent lady-cop, to keep her mouth shut (which seemed easy enough)

Thats all you need, because you had a swarm of cops seeing Batman race away from where Dent was killed. You had the statement of a now dead mobster that Batman threw him off a building. And the statement of a nutter that Batman and Dent had disagreements... it doesn't take much to convince minds of the public to see that Batman, already a violent vigilante, snapped under all of this and went too far.

Point is that the fewer people who knew about this, the better. Ramirez could be bribed (the story is what we say and IA wont have to get involved), two are family, and the last guy is in the funny farm.

Who cares?

@outside_85: It's just as easy to blame the crazy guy that kills and tortures people at the drop of the hat. If Ramirez could be bribed to keep her silence about Dent, why wouldn't they be able to bribe Ramirez to keep silent... about Dent?

So:

• Go out and say: the Joker (the sociopath, psychopath, murderous lunatic) killed Dent;
• Convice his wife and son to do the same;
• Bribe Ramirez.

The same amount of people would 'know'.

Still meh.

Because the crazy guy didn't kill random people for random reasons. Whats his reason for killing the mobster and the old cop?

@outside_85: Joker's reason to kill people is because 'it's funny', no one would need to give a 'reason'. if anybody asks Gordon 'why would the Joker kill Dent'... 'Idk, why would he kill all those other people'.. aside from the bank thing that can theoretically be explained as greed. Anyways, I think we'll have to agree on disagree ^^

I think you misunderstand what Ledgers Joker was doing. It wasn't for the laughs, but to prove that given the right 'motivation' everyone was as horrible as himself.

It's the 'Killing Joke' motivation, in that he didn't maim and sexually assault Barbara Gordon to get his jollies up, and he didn't show Jim the photo's for the fun of it, it was to prove that everyone was like him... one bad day, was all it would take, even if he had to force it out.