First BATMAN: ARKHAM ORIGINS Teaser Trailer Debuts

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It was awesome but Batman dropped DS which is weird.

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Is the Batman of the 2000s not of the 80s.

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#5  Edited By Alexander505

Yes? Mah...I don't see why Batman should ever and ever lose against Slade...That's silly....Anyway, we'll see..

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#6  Edited By Nerx

It was awesome but Batman dropped DS which is weird.

agreed

I don't see why Batman should ever and ever lose against Slade

superior stats and tactical acumen

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That was super cool.

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No, DS is just overestimated :D and has a lot of PIS in his career. Anyway enjoy the video without creating debates as usual.

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ugh, I swear to hell if they have Slade lose to Batman (a younger, inexperienced Batman at that) in a straight fight AGAIN, I will flip. There is no reason Deathstroke should ever lose to Batman in a fair fight. It shouldn't even be close. Any fight between them should go as followed:

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#10  Edited By KnightRise

No, DS is just overestimated :D and has a lot of PIS in his career. Anyway enjoy the video without creating debates as usual.

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No, DS is just overestimated :D and has a lot of PIS in his career. Anyway enjoy the video without creating debates as usual.

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ugh, I swear to hell if they have Slade lose to Batman (a younger, inexperienced Batman at that) in a straight fight AGAIN, I will flip. There is no reason Deathstroke should ever lose to Batman in a fair fight. It shouldn't even be close. Any fight between them should go as followed:

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Forgive me gentlemen,but both your sentences are pure sh!t.No offense,but Deathstroke isn't a PIS character at all!His career suggests that he is probably the most powerful street leveler ever!And I am not exaggurating at all.

Now as for Ravager 4,Deathstroke has NEVER beaten Batman easy,and he NEVER will.I agree Slade gets a solid majority but Batman will always give him hell before he goes down.In this fight you posted,Deathstroke 's states himself that Batman is the best adverdairy he will ever face and that his injuries from their fight would last for weeks.He is even beaten by a tied-up guy with average skill.So no,Deathstroke can't beat Batman easy at all.

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@stronger said:

Forgive me gentlemen,but both your sentences are pure sh!t.

And this is when anything you said lost any and all credibility.

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You cannot lose that which was never around to begin with.

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- If these developers have the Audacity to have put Shiva in and allow Bruce to beat her, i'm going to be livid.

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This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

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Looks good so far.

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@ravager4 said:

@stronger said:

Forgive me gentlemen,but both your sentences are pure sh!t.

And this is when anything you said lost any and all credibility.

Tell me how could I express myself towards your sentences,more properly.Both you and alexander505 said some things completely incorrect and inaccurate.

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This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

Most correct sentence I 've heard so far.

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@stronger: If you want people to take you seriously, don't start off by insulting them. You instantly come off as a troll or angry fanboy, and thus lose all credibility you might have otherwise had.

@rustyroy said:

This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

Most correct sentence I 've heard so far.

Uh, yeah that also applies to Batman. I'm not saying Batman could never beat Slade in any circumstance, but If this game is trying to tell me that a younger, more inexperienced Batman can beat Deathstroke in pure hand to hand (and without much difficulty, if the trailer is anything to go by), then I'm not going to play it. No mount of skill should be able to overcome someone who is flat out faster, stronger, more durable, can react and think faster than you, and so on, and I'm quite frankly sick of the media outside of comics jobbing him out to lesser foes (got taken out off screen by Aqualad in YJ, jobbed out repeatedly in Injustice, and now this)

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@ravager4 said:

@stronger: If you want people to take you seriously, don't start off by insulting them. You instantly come off as a troll or angry fanboy, and thus lose all credibility you might have otherwise had.

@rustyroy said:

This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

Most correct sentence I 've heard so far.

Uh, yeah that also applies to Batman. I'm not saying Batman could never beat Slade in any circumstance, but If this game is trying to tell me that a younger, more inexperienced Batman can beat Deathstroke in pure hand to hand (and without much difficulty, if the trailer is anything to go by), then I'm not going to play it. No mount of skill should be able to overcome someone who is flat out faster, stronger, more durable, can react and think faster than you, and so on, and I'm quite frankly sick of the media outside of comics jobbing him out to lesser foes (got taken out off screen by Aqualad in YJ, jobbed out repeatedly in Injustice, and now this)

She's right. Now when ever I read a Deathstroke at school comic I have to hear and I quote "My nigga Batman whoop Deathstrokes ass in Injustice" then another friend comes over "Ya Batman banged that nigga". Then when I tell my friends other wise they don't believe me cause they don't understand how continuity works. Something needs to be done about this. But not this game specifically cause well you know it's awesome. But ya ravager4 I agree with you but Batman will fight DS like 3 times during the course of the story. Maybe he'd mop the floor with Bats the first 2 times then get beat the last time or Black Mask breaks his contract so he doesn't kill Batman.........maybe. But you should still play it cause even though DS got whooped it looked awesome :P.

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@ravager4 said:

@stronger: If you want people to take you seriously, don't start off by insulting them. You instantly come off as a troll or angry fanboy, and thus lose all credibility you might have otherwise had.

@rustyroy said:

This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

Most correct sentence I 've heard so far.

Uh, yeah that also applies to Batman. I'm not saying Batman could never beat Slade in any circumstance, but If this game is trying to tell me that a younger, more inexperienced Batman can beat Deathstroke in pure hand to hand (and without much difficulty, if the trailer is anything to go by), then I'm not going to play it. No mount of skill should be able to overcome someone who is flat out faster, stronger, more durable, can react and think faster than you, and so on, and I'm quite frankly sick of the media outside of comics jobbing him out to lesser foes (got taken out off screen by Aqualad in YJ, jobbed out repeatedly in Injustice, and now this)

I've never said Batman is unbeatable. And When did he beat Deathstroke? They were evenly matched in the teaser. This Batman seems very heavily armored, more than AA and AC. DS and Batman are almost equal in H2H but DS has superior reflexes and durability. If Batman can get a armor more durable than DS then he can beat him. Also this is Arkham Origin, so Batman is not inexperienced and if he is then so is Slade. This is not Injustice and DS is one of the main baddies so this isn't going to be easy for him. But he will win in the game (maybe with a little prep) so if you don't like that then don't buy it. Btw don't show that scan to prove your point, that Batman was far weaker than his current form.

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@rustyroy: Oh boy, I can already tell how this is going to go. Firstly, yes they appeared about evenly matched... until Batman flipped him up onto his back. If that teaser was supposed to make Deathstroke look like a real threat, it did not accomplish that.

Secondly, Deathstroke is a ton more armored than Batman there, regardless of what kind of armor Batman is wearing, and even without the armor Slade is already far more durable. And as you mentioned, he also has better reflexes. And strength. And speed. Oh, and brain function. And... well, he beats Batman in every physical category, actually. A little more armor doesn't suddenly make up for that, and in fact probably hinders him more than helps him, as it would slow him down. He doesn't have the enhanced strength that Slade has to make armor weight negligible.

And I'm not sure what you mean by Batman not being more inexperienced (note the more. As in, more inexperienced than he was in the past couple games, not as in he's a greenhorn fresh off of training)... the game takes place several years in the past. So, yes, he would be more inexperienced. But that makes no difference for Deathstroke, who also beats Batman in the experience category. He's older, been around a lot longer. A few years back isn't going to make near as much of a difference for him as it would for Batman.

Furthermore, I've already stated that if Slade is poorly handled then I won't buy the game (the fact that Rocksteady isn't developing it, and that there's no Conroy, doesn't help), so I'm not sure why you're harping that. I realize that Batman will ultimately win in the end, because it's his game, and, well, he's Batman, but if doesn't at least get beaten in their first encounter, then I can't take it seriously. I just don't want Slade to look like a chump, as he does everywhere else outside of comics (except, oddly enough, in the Teen Titans cartoon and in Arrow, where's actually handled with respect).

Lastly, I was never trying to prove any kind of point with that scan. I didn't say "look at this, this is why Slade wins." I merely presented that as an example of how I believe a straight, fair fight between the two, no gimmicks, no prep work on either side, probably should go, if you take out all the Bat-god popularity nonsense that makes Batman win at everything.

Anyway... this isn't a battle thread and we've already gone way off track, so that's enough for now.

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@rustyroy said:

This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

i actually agree with this. do I think its right? no. but I agree. all it takes is one writer to say batman can one shot the presence lol nobody is safe in the world of comics not even our heroes....(dan slot if ur reading this I will find you and make u fix what you have broken)

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@ravager4:

@ravager4 said:

@stronger: If you want people to take you seriously, don't start off by insulting them. You instantly come off as a troll or angry fanboy, and thus lose all credibility you might have otherwise had.

@rustyroy said:

This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

Most correct sentence I 've heard so far.

Uh, yeah that also applies to Batman. I'm not saying Batman could never beat Slade in any circumstance, but If this game is trying to tell me that a younger, more inexperienced Batman can beat Deathstroke in pure hand to hand (and without much difficulty, if the trailer is anything to go by), then I'm not going to play it. No mount of skill should be able to overcome someone who is flat out faster, stronger, more durable, can react and think faster than you, and so on, and I'm quite frankly sick of the media outside of comics jobbing him out to lesser foes (got taken out off screen by Aqualad in YJ, jobbed out repeatedly in Injustice, and now this)

would you really not play it??? I mean ive played games with horrible plot lines because ethe gameplay was fun.

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@sog7dc: Story is more important to me than gameplay, to be honest. I'm not going to play a Batman game that skimps on story just because the gameplay is fun, not when the past two games have already been excellent in both departments. I'm already worried about Rocksteady not developing this game. Mishandling one of my favorite characters to make Batman look better would not be a step in the right direction for me.

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@sog7dc: Story is more important to me than gameplay, to be honest. I'm not going to play a Batman game that skimps on story just because the gameplay is fun, not when the past two games have already been excellent in both departments. I'm already worried about Rocksteady not developing this game. Mishandling one of my favorite characters to make Batman look better would not be a step in the right direction for me.

im worried that rocksteady isn't doing it and that conroy isn't batman....but ill still give em 60 bucks lol I have hope

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@ravager4 said:

@sog7dc: Story is more important to me than gameplay, to be honest. I'm not going to play a Batman game that skimps on story just because the gameplay is fun, not when the past two games have already been excellent in both departments. I'm already worried about Rocksteady not developing this game. Mishandling one of my favorite characters to make Batman look better would not be a step in the right direction for me.

Woah woah there settle down, do we even know if this version of Deathstroke is superhuman or not? He could be like the one on Arrow or like Bane was in TDKR, a very strong human but not superhuman. He probably won't be superhuman I imagine he is just a highly trained street level normal human like Batman is. So lets put down our "BATGODZ RUINING MY FAV CHARACTER!" torches for a second.

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@jack_donaghy: Um, why wouldn't he be? Actually, taking away his abilities in the same world where Poison Ivy is running around with giant plant monsters and Clayface even exists would make no sense and be even worse. The only reason he has no enhancements on Arrow is because there are no powers at all in that world. But the Arkham games follow the comic world. There is no reason whatsoever for him to not have his enhancements.

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#29  Edited By Stronger

@ravager4 said:

@stronger: If you want people to take you seriously, don't start off by insulting them. You instantly come off as a troll or angry fanboy, and thus lose all credibility you might have otherwise had.

@rustyroy said:

This is a Batman game, of course he will win. And I've said this before and I'll say it again - No one in comics is unbeatable not even God.

Most correct sentence I 've heard so far.

Uh, yeah that also applies to Batman. I'm not saying Batman could never beat Slade in any circumstance, but If this game is trying to tell me that a younger, more inexperienced Batman can beat Deathstroke in pure hand to hand (and without much difficulty, if the trailer is anything to go by), then I'm not going to play it. No mount of skill should be able to overcome someone who is flat out faster, stronger, more durable, can react and think faster than you, and so on, and I'm quite frankly sick of the media outside of comics jobbing him out to lesser foes (got taken out off screen by Aqualad in YJ, jobbed out repeatedly in Injustice, and now this)

1.If it makes it any better,I am very sorry if I insulted you in any way.

2.Even if Batman is much younger,how do you know Slade has the same powers or story as the comics?Slade could not have the enhancements or he could be actually much younger than he is in comics.Anyway,everybody knows Deathstroke would win a solid majority against Batman in a random encounter in comics.This is a Batman game and of course Slade has to be depowered or something.

3.I started this cause you said Deathstroke should handle Batman easily.Of course this is incorrect and I had to correct it.Batman has given Deathstroke hell,even when he was in the most unpleasant position.IMO Deathstroke should get a fair 6-7/10 random encounter battles,and Batman should get a 3-4 depending on the situation.

4.I agree Deathstroke is kind of a jobber in other media apart from comics,but that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy the game only cause your favourite character loses.It sounds a bit immature.It's not like you will change something.I love Deathstroke too.He is kind of my 2nd or 3rd favourite comicbook.I am one of the worst DS fanboys in comicvine and I admit it.If you don't believe me,you could check other threads.All that doesn't mean I am not going to buy Injustice.After all,it's just a fighting game.A lot of characters like Joker,Harley Quinn and Catwoman wouldn't stand a chance against the heavy hitters like Superman,Wonder Woman,Black Adam and Ares.

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@ravager4 said:

ugh, I swear to hell if they have Slade lose to Batman (a younger, inexperienced Batman at that) in a straight fight AGAIN, I will flip. There is no reason Deathstroke should ever lose to Batman in a fair fight. It shouldn't even be close. Any fight between them should go as followed:

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That fight was extremely close. Deathstroke was barely walking afterwords.

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@ravager4 said:

@rustyroy: Oh boy, I can already tell how this is going to go. Firstly, yes they appeared about evenly matched... until Batman flipped him up onto his back. If that teaser was supposed to make Deathstroke look like a real threat, it did not accomplish that.

Secondly, Deathstroke is a ton more armored than Batman there, regardless of what kind of armor Batman is wearing, and even without the armor Slade is already far more durable. And as you mentioned, he also has better reflexes. And strength. And speed. Oh, and brain function. And... well, he beats Batman in every physical category, actually. A little more armor doesn't suddenly make up for that, and in fact probably hinders him more than helps him, as it would slow him down. He doesn't have the enhanced strength that Slade has to make armor weight negligible.

And I'm not sure what you mean by Batman not being more inexperienced (note the more. As in, more inexperienced than he was in the past couple games, not as in he's a greenhorn fresh off of training)... the game takes place several years in the past. So, yes, he would be more inexperienced. But that makes no difference for Deathstroke, who also beats Batman in the experience category. He's older, been around a lot longer. A few years back isn't going to make near as much of a difference for him as it would for Batman.

Furthermore, I've already stated that if Slade is poorly handled then I won't buy the game (the fact that Rocksteady isn't developing it, and that there's no Conroy, doesn't help), so I'm not sure why you're harping that. I realize that Batman will ultimately win in the end, because it's his game, and, well, he's Batman, but if doesn't at least get beaten in their first encounter, then I can't take it seriously. I just don't want Slade to look like a chump, as he does everywhere else outside of comics (except, oddly enough, in the Teen Titans cartoon and in Arrow, where's actually handled with respect).

Lastly, I was never trying to prove any kind of point with that scan. I didn't say "look at this, this is why Slade wins." I merely presented that as an example of how I believe a straight, fair fight between the two, no gimmicks, no prep work on either side, probably should go, if you take out all the Bat-god popularity nonsense that makes Batman win at everything.

Anyway... this isn't a battle thread and we've already gone way off track, so that's enough for now.

First of all I like Slade too and I also hated the way they handled him in YJ but this is Batman we're talking about. He and Slade are almost evenly matched, Batman's gadgets make up for the Slade's physical superiority. He doesn't need prep time to beat DS, he's always prepared. Also Batman got a huge power upgrade in recent years, he defeated Slade. They both are almost equal and Batman can win a fight against Slade 4 out of 10 times. Also 15 years of training is enough experience. And it seems like he's been active for at least 5 years, so it doesn't make much difference for Batman also.

Secondly body slamming Slade on the ground doesn't make him win or lose the match. Batman is one of the few non-super characters that can make that move against Slade. They are equally skilled fighters so Batman can get the the upper hand for a moment just like Slade can in the next. Take Undertaker and Kane for an example, they are almost equally matched so when they fight, both of them get the chance to beat the out of each other. This was just a teaser, give them time and I'm sure they'll make Slade a Bad ass. This game is not like Injustice, from what I heard and seen so far Slade is one of the major bosses in the game and I sure they'll make him hard to beat.

Also what was Rocksteady before making Arkham Asylum, just because they're not making the game doesn't mean it will be bad. The director is great too, so I'm not worried. And I'm actually happy that Kevin Conroy is not voicing the character, its a young Batman so someone new and fresh will be great. Gameplay is the most important part of a game, the story comes second, there are movies and comics for that kind of stuff.

Lastly Slade is also riding on the Slade-god popularity. Come on, its okay for Slade to beat a team of Super-powered heroes with just a sword and without breaking a sweat but if Batman does it using every gadget he has and giving everything he's got then its nonsense? How much training did he get? More than Batman? How good is his resources? Better than Batman?

If you want to end this conversation its okay but I had to reply.

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No, DS is just overestimated :D and has a lot of PIS in his career. Anyway enjoy the video without creating debates as usual.

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