Big Changes For Batman
It took me a while to realize Darkseid set the chain of events that even led to Batman in the first place.
It's Cameron Stewart, Chris Burnham and Frazer Irving. I think Burnham did the Gordon in a dress scene.
With two Batmen operating suspicion is thrown off Bruce.
Norm is right real world issues probably won't affect the storyline.
OMG it was awesome but I'm still a little fuzzy on some of the Dr. Hurt stuff. Can we get the actual list of what to read? It seems like EVERYTHING is part of this.
Return of Bruce Wayne 1-6
Battle for the Cowl 1-3
Road Home (8 one-shots)
Batman (701 and 702, more?)
Batman and Robin (All?)
Red Robin (?)
Vanishing Point (kind of?)
What else? I know there's more. Can anyone fill in those blanks.
Bruce Wayne revealing that he funds Batman to the world gives me a terrible chill down my spine. The whole press conference reeks of Spider-man and Brand New Day. I know the differences, but it's relatively the same. A hero is publicly linking himself to his secret identity.
I liked it better when Batman was returned to being an urban myth that Gotham wasn't 100% sure was real. With Morrison gone from writing, I seriously hope there is a plan for all of this. It could all blow up into an ungodly mess.
The whole time travel bit with Darkseid sounds to be one convoluted mess. Even the way it was implemented. The whole idea that Bruce was made into this time traveling bomb. One, why did it have to be him and not some zealot of Darkseid? Two, why would it have to be in modern times for the detonation? Finally, the whole drama of time being put at risk was undermined by the release of the Road Home books. We now know nothing comes of that. It's as if you whisper a secret to someone, then shout the answer to everyone at the table.
I'm still of the mind that there should only be one Batman since there is only one Batman. I'm still trying to figure out what became of Cassandra Cain.
hmm...I've read some of the earlier stuff (batman RIP, final crisis, and some other stuff) but I'm waiting for some of the more recent comics to be collected before reading up on this. I've heard a lot of spoilers from others IRL and on the net though. A really awesome video. I was a little sceptical before, but now I'm definitely picking this stuff up when I can :)
Oh, and I personally don't think Batman being turned into Darkseid's weapon was really some grand master plan. I think he pretty much thought it up on the fly when he was being confronted by him to be a contingency plan. If Darkseid ended up winning he would just disarm hi when he returned, and if he lost, it was a way for him to get back at all his enemies.
I don't like this idea at all this comic sucks, really it does it brings too many questions with no answers after this there will be another Crisis as I don't see it lasting. One thing is for sure Why does Darkseid give a crap about Batman? it makes no sense in Darkseid's character run he's never shown interest in him before so why now?
This comic over hypes Batman as a character it's like everyone hasn't thought about any other DC hero but just hype Batman...why?
And why would darkseid make Batman his weapon? thers thousands more powerful than he is and smarter than he is so why batman of all people?
And no I am not a batman hater in fact I'm a big batman fan but this just over hypes him and it makes Darkseid look bad.
morrison's greatness isn't in the complexity of the story -- when unraveled, the plot is pretty straightforward. his gift is in story telling. the final confrontation between hurt and batman has been years in the making, and it really feels like every piece of the puzzle was important and masterfully unfolded in front of us. plus, as we talked about in the video, we particularly love that the repercussions of this run are lasting--the conclusion isn't just a reset button as it is in many other books.
is there anyway you or someone can put a list right here in the comments on the issues that I need to buy and read..so i can catch up because when Batman Inc comes out I'll buy the previous batman comics but wont read Batman Inc until I'm updated...thats the plan I wanna do.
" @Lovenuggets: Totally worth it though it's an epic story. It's what got me into comics. :) "
"I'm still trying to figure out what became of Cassandra Cain. "
Bruce Wayne - The Road Home: Batgirl hints heavily at her impending return. I can't wait to see what Bruce's "plan" was for her. She's one of my all-time favourite DC characters, so the sooner she comes back, the happier I'll be.
This was an awesome mini-podcast almost... I look forward to listening to the podcast proper later this weekend.
I'm glad the New X-Men was brought up, because just as Morrison brought lasting change to that franchise, it definitely feels like lasting landmark change is being made here... it's both scary and exciting. It's awesome to have that feeling of consequence or movement despite this being a medium where The Spectre, Mephisto, or Reed/Tony/Stephen can and do rewrite reality to remove public identities.
Awesome that the public library was mentioned, seriously. I bet a good half of B&N / Borders success comes from people who've forgotten how to use their public library!
Finally, I think it's great that if you take bits of the conversation out of context and you totally like crazy people (ex: "his sense of survival allowed him to carry omega energy through time in order to destroy the universe")... but that I know exactly what you're talking about and it makes sense to me. ;-)
To paraphrase the Weekend Warriors: "I worry that comics are for kids and a silly childish medium... but then I see a hyper intelligent gorilla with a battle spoon and a sniper rifle shoot Lex Luthor out of a helicopter and I am comforted... I've made all the right decisions in life."
Have a great weekend.
I really loved the entire story. Everything ties together, everything has a huge impact. I even like the idea of having two Batmen running around. Because I wouldn't have wanted Dick to go back to being Nightwing, and of course Bruce Wayne is supposed to be Batman, and this Insider persona doesn't suit him that much.
I'm still not entirely convinced about the whole Batman inc. stuff..
I 'll surely give it all a try and see how things go. But my monthly budget won't be that happy about it. Following too many darn series starting this/next moth!
Loved Joker's idea for his next joke at the end of #16, I hope the characters given a little time then comes back with his results. I agree Dick can't go back to Nightwing now, which is a shame because I always liked the get-up.
On a Comic Vine related note, I really would love to see more videos like this with spoilers and all discussions between people who probably know a lot more than I do. I know you're probably already pushed for time but this format you just showed me really appeals!
On a side note, did anyone else notice that all three had dark hair and dark eyes? They could be their very own Bat-family! Bat-Inc sign up sheets are in the lobby.
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