"Zack Snyder loves Superman, and Batman v Superman proves it"

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#1 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (11696 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2016/03/29/zack-snyder-loves-superman-and-batman-v-superman-proves-it/#70e3b19f258e

Very informative.

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#2 Posted by rukus4ever (123 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting read. I noticed those themes in the movie. As I stated in my opinion post, I simply think Snyder set up Superman to be the inspiration for the JL and this generation of heroes with BvS. I just think he and WB bit off more than they can chew and didn't execute the plot advancement, characterization and theme well. The movie didn't really drive home the important points. And that's why someone had to write an article explaining what the movie should have made obvious. And it's why so many others have written articles denigrating the movie.

About the article itself:

Near the end, the article reads, "...since everyone is entitled to their opinion and to their preferences. No one preference is better than another, and we shouldn’t defend this film in a way that claims other people’s preferences and views are 'wrong' or 'not true fans' and so on." But he follows this in the next paragraph with, "And any serious assessment of the film should recognize this, and address it, otherwise those reviews and assessments are quite frankly shallow in their examination and very mistaken in their conclusions." Additionally, he started the article with, "This assertion hinges on such a dramatic misreading of the film, I’m frankly stunned that even some otherwise typically smart and insightful writers have bought into this myth and perpetuated it." It's fine if this is what he thinks, but don't say you think others are entitled to their opinion if you're going to insult those who have a different opinion.

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#3 Posted by ConnorKent (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman and Superman in this animation would disagree with this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb7b8uHiNcQ

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#4 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (11696 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting read. I noticed those themes in the movie. As I stated in my opinion post, I simply think Snyder set up Superman to be the inspiration for the JL and this generation of heroes with BvS. I just think he and WB bit off more than they can chew and didn't execute the plot advancement, characterization and theme well. The movie didn't really drive home the important points. And that's why someone had to write an article explaining what the movie should have made obvious. And it's why so many others have written articles denigrating the movie.

About the article itself:

Near the end, the article reads, "...since everyone is entitled to their opinion and to their preferences. No one preference is better than another, and we shouldn’t defend this film in a way that claims other people’s preferences and views are 'wrong' or 'not true fans' and so on." But he follows this in the next paragraph with, "And any serious assessment of the film should recognize this, and address it, otherwise those reviews and assessments are quite frankly shallow in their examination and very mistaken in their conclusions." Additionally, he started the article with, "This assertion hinges on such a dramatic misreading of the film, I’m frankly stunned that even some otherwise typically smart and insightful writers have bought into this myth and perpetuated it." It's fine if this is what he thinks, but don't say you think others are entitled to their opinion if you're going to insult those who have a different opinion.

I think he means everyone is entitled to their opinion on the film's OVERALL quality, but when it comes to it's theme, message, and plot, you can definitely be wrong.

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#5 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3976 posts) - - Show Bio

I totally agree with this. Batman and Lex were both the villains of this movie, but Batman turned back toward the light. The entire movie was the cynicism of humanity against the optiism of Superman, and it really causes him to question whether he's doing the right thing.

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#6 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (17120 posts) - - Show Bio

That's a really good article.

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#7 Posted by allend4bbt (76 posts) - - Show Bio

That's a really good article.

I concur. What's weird is all I hear about is how great Batman is and how this is essentially a Batman movie, but I think this article shows how Supes was honored and had his own well thought out perspectives captured on screen. Love or hate Snyder, I enjoy the discussion that is sparked by his two most recent movies. People still debate MOS to this day, and I think BvS will be debated up to JL.

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#8 Edited by adrikito (331 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman v Superman have won more than 783 millions in this moment(more than Deadpool 755)..Of course Zack love them

http://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/batman-v-superman-jungle-book-box-office-1201749921/

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#9 Posted by SaintWildcard (21880 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish I could believe this.... but I just can't.

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#10 Edited by comicfan42 (8 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not a poorly written article, but it's not very well done film analysis. The author is taking subtext only from his own ideas, not from anything the film actually offers up through it's own narrative. Superman has no emotional or character arc within the set confines of the movie that Snyder and his team presented to the audience. This lack of any sort of explicit character building could be redeemed in a superior film with a compelling story or using Superman to illustrate some sort of grander theme or idea. Neither of these are present in the current cut of B v S, Superman has neither an opinion or clear goal as the movie chugs along and then illogically dies against a poorly explained and animated threat. The funeral scenes are only there to set up a Justice League film and a last ditch attempt to appeal to any pathos the viewer has left after the bludgeoning this movie throws at you.

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#11 Posted by rukus4ever (123 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish I could believe this.... but I just can't.

Same here.

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#12 Posted by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

@adrikito said:

Batman v Superman have won more than 783 millions in this moment(more than Deadpool 755)..Of course Zack love them

http://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/batman-v-superman-jungle-book-box-office-1201749921/

Box office totals doesn't equal character appreciation. Bay's Transformer's make more money and he's known as the man who ruined the Transformers franchise to the fans. Same case here.

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