Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Review

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#201 Posted by MICKEY-MOUSE (36853 posts) - - Show Bio

@spitfirepanda: The audience score is now at 79% and it keeps going down. The audience score always starts high and then evens out as a GA and not die hards post reviews.

The RT score started at 90 something percent and has steadily gone down. By Monday realistically it will probably be in the high 60s or low 70s .

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#202 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

@bl00dwerk: So what if it is a box office success? Then surely that would indicate that people like grittiness?

It's refreshing compared to Marvel's cheesy one-liners. I don't know what people expect with a film starring a Batman based on Dark Knight Returns Batman, the source material is gritty.

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#203 Posted by 106me (3732 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow seriously? Maybe I want a serious movie. Maybe I'm tired of the mid-battle jokes that ruined what would have otherwise been good fights (looking at you, Thor 2).

And I'm sorry, but is this an action? Or a comedy? Because last I checked they are two very genres.

I didn't see Sin City so I could laugh, and I didn't see Deadpool so I could get some thrills from mediocre fight scenes.

Both are great movies, but the premises serve two totally different purposes. You can't take a dark and serious story concept and fill it with jokes (not like Sweeney Todd dark humor, I mean like lighthearted humor) throughout the movie while still trying to make it dark and gritty, because that's just awkward writing.

Think about how awkward Sin City would have been if they tried to insert jokes when Marv tortured Kevin. That would be disturbingly morbid.

And you can't take lighthearted (but serious) premises, and fill it with intense, tragic gore scenes. Deadpool was funny because it was MEANT to be funny. It was just a lighthearted, for-the-faint-of-heart, dark humored movie. How disturbing would it be if, let's say they had a few tragic intense scenes in that movie? Would it still be funny if Deadpool's girlfriend was killed and the ending scene was of him holding his dying girlfriend immediately followed by rolling credits? NO. Everyone in the theater would be like "wtf...?"

So, whatever, this is just a bad review I'm going to ignore, and I'm just going to go enjoy the crap out of Batman v Superman.

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#204 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (9372 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting.

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#206 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1625 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider1992: why don't you just make up your own mind about it? And honestly, RT is not that good of an indicator of quality. That's the same site that gave both Iron Man 3 and Superman Returns (movies almost universally hated by the GA) higher scores than freaking Oscar-winning movies. So, yeah, I'm gonna make up my own mind about it.

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#207 Posted by w0nd (6803 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never disliked a character change so much than I did seeing Jesse as lex. I wanted him to stop talking immediately as soon as he was on screen. The suave smooth talking classy businessman came off as a mad scientist with adhd

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#209 Edited by reverse_batman (39 posts) - - Show Bio

The only way any of us is going to decide if this movie is good or bad. Is to go and see it for one's self. All these so called critics are bias and what they look for in a movie is not necessarily what any of us look for in a movie.

I haven't seen M.O.S. yet. But I'm going to watch it and then go and check out this film.

Then later on I can form my own opinions about those films. Then decide if I want to give Warner Bros. anymore of my money on their either good or crappy upcoming super hero films.

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#210 Posted by SanoHibiki (3425 posts) - - Show Bio

Just saw this movie – and liked it. Bless overall serious tone and lack of “Marvel humor”.

Downside – there are plenty of technical nit-picking from me plus massive meh at political propaganda, so overall 7/10.

P.S. Facepalm after reading this review..

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#211 Edited by Perethorn (6295 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie was awesome

I think people is just too used to Marvel style for this type of movies

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#212 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm checking it out tomorrow. I sorta wonder if the directors cut will fill in some of the story gaps? Either way, if it's decent I'll be satisfied but I hope Snyder keeps his promise that all the dc movies will carry different tones but are still connected. Sadly, viewers just aren't into 90's grit like they use too be. I still am but I guess I'm in the minority.

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#213 Posted by TimeLordScience (1940 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: spoilers:

As a Batman fan does Batman using firearms not trouble you?

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#214 Posted by Farkam (12036 posts) - - Show Bio

If you prefer dark films and dark comics, this is the film for you. And that's okay. What I like is that there is room for both serious comics/films and light-hearted ones. Based on the previews, the movie probably will be pretty good, but not a lot of fun. That seems to be what's coming across - good film, but not a fun film.

Actually what seems to be coming across is that it is a bad film, and a joyless one at it.

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#215 Edited by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@timelordscience: should it? As a comic fan are you not use to different character interpretations? It's not like these are the earth 1 or 2 characters. Besides, batman has pretty much killed someone in every movie except maybe the dark Knight rises? I just expect a more brutal interpretation of the character for this film. If he kills, so beit.

Edit: I'm not sure he killed anyone in batman forever and batman and Robin too, or in the Adam west movie. But every other movie, yeah he's killed.

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#216 Posted by Mekboy (2731 posts) - - Show Bio

I just came back from seeing this, it was okay IMO. Only okay.

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#217 Posted by Farkam (12036 posts) - - Show Bio

@timelordscience: should it? As a comic fan are you not use to different character interpretations? It's not like these are the earth 1 or 2 characters. Besides, batman has pretty much killed someone in every movie except maybe the dark Knight rises? I just expect a more brutal interpretation of the character for this film. If he kills, so beit.

Edit: I'm not sure he killed anyone in batman forever and batman and Robin too, or in the Adam west movie. But every other movie, yeah he's killed.

He killed a shark in the Adam West movie :(

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#218 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio
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#219 Posted by Farkam (12036 posts) - - Show Bio

@mekboy said:

I just came back from seeing this, it was okay IMO. Only okay.

Is the destruction porn up to par?

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#220 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@mekboy: so in your opinion would you rate it fresh enough to go see? I'm seeing it tomorrow, but fan perspectives I do appreciate.

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#221 Edited by Bl00dwerK (957 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@bl00dwerk: So what if it is a box office success? Then surely that would indicate that people like grittiness?

It's refreshing compared to Marvel's cheesy one-liners. I don't know what people expect with a film starring a Batman based on Dark Knight Returns Batman, the source material is gritty.

What does this have to do with Marvel? Every time someone says something negative about how dark DC's latest films are fun gets made of Marvel's jokiness. I don't consider anything about Man of Steel refreshing. I watched it and thought it was awful. I have a feeling this one will be awful, too, so I'm not wasting time or money. I'll catch it on HBO, or whatever. Also, just because a film is profitable (Transformers) doesn't mean it's any good...

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#222 Edited by TimeLordScience (1940 posts) - - Show Bio

@heatforce: I'm cool with different interpretations, Christopher Nolan's Batman, Burton's Batman and the comic book Batman are all different, doesn't mean I take issue with it. But Batman's commitment to not use guns has always been a consistent and central part of his character.

People were very concerned about Dick Grayson using guns in his solo. Turns out he never did shoot anyone, but a lot of fans would have thought it was out of character if he did. How would you feel if this becomes the dominant interpretation and Batman becomes the Punisher in comics because of brand synergy? DC has already shown it is willing to experiment with brand synergy. When it was planned to cast Wally as black in the Flash show, Wally was introduced as black in the New 52.

EDIT: less trouble with him killing people, moreso the methodology. He wouldn't kill people the same way his parents were.

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#223 Posted by Ruvik_ (1638 posts) - - Show Bio

Great movie it's better then age of ultron crap.

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#224 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@timelordscience: ahh understood. I dunno, I know batman used guns waaay back in the golden age but I do get why you don't like it.

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#225 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@ruvik_: actually if I like BVS as much ad I did AoU I will be satisfied. AoU did entertain me but it had problems. BvS sounds like it's the same but without much humor, which I don't care about.

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#226 Posted by SilverPool (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

Really wish this was MoS2 without Frank Millery elements.

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#227 Edited by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@bl00dwerk: well we compare it to marvel because that's what everyone else has done since MoS. But to each his own. Had someone warned me about ironman 2, thor 2, catwoman, wolverine origins, xmen 3, and batman and robin I probably would be saying the same thing lol.

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#228 Posted by danhimself (21433 posts) - - Show Bio

Well....I didn't expect it to get SO many bad reviews, but a few bad reviews were expected...And the problem with this movie is that most people are used to the kiddish fun movies like GotG, Avengers, IM,etc...So when a darker and more serious movie comes out, they don't have anything good to say about it...Marvel has also made Captain America 2 which was quite dark, yet people liked it... The problem might be that Marvel fanboys have literally killed DC Universe by finding faults in all their previous movies and putting them in your face....Why is it a must now-a-days that before someone saves the universe, he needs to make a joke...?? Why..?? I watch movies with the thought that they can happen in real life...I can't see that happening in real life and looks too fake for the Movie meduim (But still cool in comics tho...Stick to that)...I thought Civil War was going to be serious, but just before they started battling, Iron Man had to shout: "Underoos" instead of kid or spidey or anything at all...

why can't it just be the movie's fault for not being that good? You can have a well written light hearted film (GotG) and you can have a well written dark and gritty film. From what I'm hearing BvS just isn't that well written. Also just want to point out that the reviewer never once compared it to any Marvel films

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#229 Edited by Mfundroid (2916 posts) - - Show Bio

My family and I watched this film today. This review matches exactly how we feel. The fact that people refuse to accept the fact that this film may just be "okay" is quite pathetic.

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#230 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@mfundroid: I heard the action was pretty in IMAX. What did you think?

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#231 Posted by snarkybits (410 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoever wrote this sure loves big words and poetic description.

Yep, kinda hard to get through...for me, anyway.

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#232 Posted by AkshSarpanch (3573 posts) - - Show Bio

@heatforce: the action was amazing. Tbh, this movie was awesome.

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#233 Posted by the_stegman (40245 posts) - - Show Bio

@snarkybits: I try not to be mean, but the way this reviewer writes, he seems like he's trying to make himself seem super smart and "deep" by using flowery dialogue. Why couldn't G Man write it??

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#234 Posted by SoA (6246 posts) - - Show Bio

dark and gritty works for batman. for superman? not so much.and CV giving it 3 stars...? damn. well now we have pg-13 suicide squad movie to look forward to! yaaay.

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#235 Edited by Farkam (12036 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:
@abdullahzubair said:

Well....I didn't expect it to get SO many bad reviews, but a few bad reviews were expected...And the problem with this movie is that most people are used to the kiddish fun movies like GotG, Avengers, IM,etc...So when a darker and more serious movie comes out, they don't have anything good to say about it...Marvel has also made Captain America 2 which was quite dark, yet people liked it... The problem might be that Marvel fanboys have literally killed DC Universe by finding faults in all their previous movies and putting them in your face....Why is it a must now-a-days that before someone saves the universe, he needs to make a joke...?? Why..?? I watch movies with the thought that they can happen in real life...I can't see that happening in real life and looks too fake for the Movie meduim (But still cool in comics tho...Stick to that)...I thought Civil War was going to be serious, but just before they started battling, Iron Man had to shout: "Underoos" instead of kid or spidey or anything at all...

why can't it just be the movie's fault for not being that good? You can have a well written light hearted film (GotG) and you can have a well written dark and gritty film. From what I'm hearing BvS just isn't that well written. Also just want to point out that the reviewer never once compared it to any Marvel films

Gtfo Marvel fanboy. Batman punching Superman is the pinnacle of modern cinema, only us intellectuals can comprehend it's vast philosophical depth!

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#236 Edited by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@soa: it could get an r-rated release

Edit: blue ray release like bvs

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#237 Posted by SoA (6246 posts) - - Show Bio
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#238 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@soa: so you only ever see movies once and never buy the release? That's pretty epic lol.

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#239 Edited by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@akshsarpanch: well I'm happy you liked it. I hope I come out thinking the same thing tomorrow. If not, I'm sure I'll be satisfied, I like snyder. I don't like all his decisions but to me his action scenes are a work of art.

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#240 Edited by O-Face (105 posts) - - Show Bio

@abdullahzubair said:

Well....I didn't expect it to get SO many bad reviews, but a few bad reviews were expected...And the problem with this movie is that most people are used to the kiddish fun movies like GotG, Avengers, IM,etc...So when a darker and more serious movie comes out, they don't have anything good to say about it...Marvel has also made Captain America 2 which was quite dark, yet people liked it... The problem might be that Marvel fanboys have literally killed DC Universe by finding faults in all their previous movies and putting them in your face....Why is it a must now-a-days that before someone saves the universe, he needs to make a joke...?? Why..?? I watch movies with the thought that they can happen in real life...I can't see that happening in real life and looks too fake for the Movie meduim (But still cool in comics tho...Stick to that)...I thought Civil War was going to be serious, but just before they started battling, Iron Man had to shout: "Underoos" instead of kid or spidey or anything at all...

why can't it just be the movie's fault for not being that good? You can have a well written light hearted film (GotG) and you can have a well written dark and gritty film. From what I'm hearing BvS just isn't that well written. Also just want to point out that the reviewer never once compared it to any Marvel films

I think the problem might be the editing and not the writing. This was originally a 3 hour movie that had 30 minutes cut from it.

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#241 Posted by Bl00dwerK (957 posts) - - Show Bio

The cast is doing damage control. You know it's bad when they set up an "interview" to do it...

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#242 Posted by TheNoobStomper (795 posts) - - Show Bio

Watching it in 1 hour,be right back to comment on it

But the reviews are bashing this film

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#243 Posted by SoA (6246 posts) - - Show Bio

@heatforce: kinda true , if i watch a movie i gotta wait a few years to watch again otherwise i get bored

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#244 Edited by Mekboy (2731 posts) - - Show Bio
@farkam said:
@mekboy said:

I just came back from seeing this, it was okay IMO. Only okay.

Is the destruction porn up to par?

Towards the end, yes. Otherwise, no.

@mekboy: so in your opinion would you rate it fresh enough to go see? I'm seeing it tomorrow, but fan perspectives I do appreciate.

I honestly didn't like it as much as Man of Steel. So assuming MoS gets a 10/10, I'd give this movie a ~9.

Keep in mind I don't know these DC characters well at all so your perspective on them might be entirely different when you finally go see the film.

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#245 Posted by XtremeGuardian (46 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not sure why everyone feels that Marvel is to blame for the BvS hate. Marvel movies do have a certain levity and comedy built into them, but those are not the only movies Marvel puts out. Winter Soldier was a much more serious film as it appears the coming Civil War movie will be. Marvel also put out the critically and general audience success that is Daredevil which nails dark and gritty tones while maintaining some level of connection to the audience. Hove them or hate them, you cannot deny that Marvel movies and shows have been maintaining a fairly fresh rating across all their titles despite seriousness and tone.

DC has embraced a dark and depressing tone that is actually turning people away from their films, re-imagining characters as more violent heroes willing to kill. In this movie specifically, they also created a bloated mess of a story that tried too hard to create a cinematic universe rather than be a good film. There are just too many cracks to ignore and it shows in the review scores. The same reviewers supported Nolan's darker trilogy of Batman films, so they are not universally against DC or dark and gritty superhero movies.

You are allowed to like a movie whether it is bad or good, but there comes a point of utter denial when the response is everyone else is wrong and does not understand this movie. The movie over reached and fell flat with many viewers. To blame reviewers and Marvel as somehow being the cause of this is ridiculous. This is not some giant conspiracy. You can make a serious and gritty film that still has heart, DC just failed at that.

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#246 Edited by MonThackma (164 posts) - - Show Bio

I have no plans to see this, but the fact that everyone hates it may cause me to reconsider.

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#247 Posted by Heatforce (6290 posts) - - Show Bio

@mekboy: oh I'm always down for different character interpretations. I do love elseworlds and what ifs.

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#248 Edited by O-Face (105 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenoobstomper said:

Watching it in 1 hour,be right back to comment on it

But the reviews are bashing this film

Actually, most of the reviews have been pretty mixed. Most of them say there are great things in it, but it has a sloppy narrative.

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#249 Edited by O-Face (105 posts) - - Show Bio
@XtremeGuardian said:

DC has embraced a dark and depressing tone that is actually turning people away from their films, re-imagining characters as more violent heroes willing to kill.

I've been reading/watching the reviews and almost no one cares that Batman is willing to kill. Nolan's Batman killed, Schumacher's Batman killed, and Burton's Batman killed. Most critics call him the best part of the movie, with many saying he is the best Batman, even in the negative reviews.

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#250 Posted by DigitalNomad77 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@petey_is_spidey: guess you weren't on any Ghostbusters or Fantastic Four movie forums in the past year...

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