When you look and compare all of the speedsters, is Flash truly the fastest? If you throw him up against Runner or Makkari, wouldn't they be able to beat him? I mean, all 3 of them are speedsters first and foremost, and Runner is very fast. He was fast enough to outrun Silver Surfer if I remember correctly. Makkari is the eternal of speed. That is what he focused on, and Makkari is extremely fast. I mean, I kind of find it hard to believe that Flash is the fastest comic book character when there are characters like Runner and Makkari around.
Barry Allen
Character » Barry Allen appears in 5080 issues.
Having discovered his mother murdered and his father blamed for the act, forensic scientist Barry Allen sought to clear his father's name and find the real killer. After being doused in chemicals and struck by lightning, Barry was granted the gift of super-speed. Now he protects his hometown of Central City as The Flash, the fastest man alive and founding member of the Justice League.
Is Flash truly the fastest character in all of comic books?
I've never seen any other character go as fast as Wally is portrayed to have gone..........
Zoom is the only one who can look as fast as Wally..... But he has no kinetic energy, he just warps his time stream to appear fast......
So Wally probably is the fastest speedster.............
"Zoom isn't actually fast, though."
Fast. adj.
Moving or able to move, operate, function or take effect quickly. Quick, swift, rapid.
Sounds like Zoom is pretty fast to me.
I think people get confused because characters in the comics will say that Zoom has no speed. That is, he has no connection to the speed force. Zoom has been refered to as "the fastest man alive" so I'd say that when he had his powers, he was definately faster than the Flash.
Zoom is technically faster then flash bc he runs via timestream and there are no limitations to it bc he shares the power with no one else. so that would make wally 2nd fastest. =(
Bart Allen is the fastest Flash it's said to be, I used to think it was barry though...once they go Speed Force nothing can go faster so yeah, they're all faster then SS, Makari, Northstar and Runner...so is Zoom since as others mentioned, he can slow time around him down and just move faster then everyone else.
Zoom II / Hunter Zolomon is currently depowered so whether or not he has speed is irrelevant. And despite hyperbolic descriptions of his powers, in terms of actual demonstrable speed feats, Wally has him beat (barring one story arc- with every other appearance them being on par).
Of actually repeatedly demonstrated speed, Wally West is the fastest.
re: Which Flash is Fastest?
The rough answer is whomever is the title Flash. The only reason for that is because he's called "The Fastest Man Alive" and that's kinda undercut if there's another Flash out there who's actually faster.
That said, there are different standards of proof. If you go by hearsay, adult Bart was the Fastest. Everyone said so in the comic but he never showed it. If you go by title, the main Flash book is currently Barry's so he's the fastest. If you go by "feats" (that is, events that took place in-story in current continuity) or demonstrations of actual speed, Wally's the fastest until another Flash does something more impressive (which, for the time being, is unlikely because Barry's being written more street level currently). You could also by citation (same as "feats" but instead of cherry picking only the fastest speeds, picking specific examples when their speed was compared or talked about in comics; or taking an "average" of how their speed is portrayed) which goes in every direction for specific instances but the " average" would be that they're all equal.
The real answer for any individual fan is whichever Flash you like the best. :P
Those trying to be more diplomatic about it might try to differentiate their powersets. Jay is a veteran who's been through WW2, he has a bunch of hat-tricks where he uses his metal helmet much like Captain America uses his shield, he is first... but because of age his endurance and top speed isn't there. Barry always had a high top speed that he didn't have to earn and thus he focused on learning a lot of quasi-scientific speed tricks that don't make sense today but we take them for granted as part of Flash's powerset (intangibility, whirlwinds, etc) revolving around molecules and aura. Wally's arc was all about recapturing the speed he had when he was Kid Flash, going beyond it, and discovering the Speed Force and its tricks so his techniques tended to be more metabolism / speed-based / kinetic-energy related but more powerful than Barry. Finally, Bart, due to his youth, has the highest potential since he's learning about the Speed Force young, whereas Barry never knew and Wally learned it older... but so far is not quite as fast.
Anyways, you can interpret the question a bunch of different ways.
" have to say all though flash is the fastest sa superman has the all time speed feat not even flash has beaten that feat yet "I don't get it
EDIT: I mean before he was crippled. Lol.
" @Mainline: But Zoom, Hunter, istechnically the fastest, though he's not actually running fast. "The "is" part is wrong, at best you can make an argument he was the fastest. That's all I'm saying.
" @Mainline: The one who's in the wheelchair, you know, the guy who was crippled thanks to Geoff Johns selfishness. But Zoom, Hunter, is technically the fastest, though he's not actually running fast.Even before then he was only ever faster in Blitz. Every time he appeared afterwards The Flashes (besides Jay) were on par with Zoom II in terms of speed. For story reasons, sure, he was declared faster in Blitz, but in practice that all went away afterwards, The Flashes have demonstrated faster speed both historically before and afterwards. In other words, hanging Zoom II's speed on Blitz is like saying Doomsday is the strongest character ever... the characters and stories have evolved since then.
EDIT: I mean before he was crippled. Lol. "
I'm not so big on the Flash's history, but what makes Wally faster than Barry?
EDIT: Nevermind, mainline pretty much answered my question.
" @Mainline: Zoom hasn't really lost any speed races. "Sure he did, Rogue War, Flash v2 #225, Wally beats him in speed- otherwise he wouldn't have been able to touch him to save the day- and that's without the speed steal he used in Blitz.
@Amegashita said:
" @Mainline: Well Zoom is still technically the fastest, Hunter, on the other hand, is not. "I get that you're a Zoom fan but this is a silly argument... you can't be the fastest if you can't defend your title. "Hey Zoom, wanna race? What's that... you forfeit? I win!"
Nice assumption, but that is wrong. It's not nice to assume things about people you barely know.get that you're a Zoom fan but this is a silly argument... you can't be the fastest if you can't defend your title. "Hey Zoom, wanna race? What's that... you forfeit? I win!" "
I agree that it's a "nice assumption" because you're doing cartwheels to justify why Zoom II is the fastest- not only do you have to rely on a "technicality" in terms of what speed means, but you have to ignore his current state, ignore his most recent showings, ignore the highest showings of other characters, and hang everything on one story over half-a-decade ago in order to show favor to one character's mantel's ranking... along with gymnastics about "intentions", hyperbole with saying "synonymous with fastest" (despite the debate as to whether "fast" even applies showing otherwise), and finally taking what Johns did personally by calling it "selfish"... it's a pretty clear picture and a reasonable assumption." @Demas said:
Nice assumption, but that is wrong. It's not nice to assume things about people you barely know. "get that you're a Zoom fan but this is a silly argument... you can't be the fastest if you can't defend your title. "Hey Zoom, wanna race? What's that... you forfeit? I win!" "
Also, don't like me using the word selfish, then I'll change it into hypocritical, considering all the things he's done to other characters. Yet, when it comes to his character, because he doesn't want his character being used incorrectly, he crippled him.and finally taking what Johns did personally by calling it "selfish"... it's a pretty clear picture and a reasonable assumption.
1. Relying on a technicality
2. Ignoring current state.
3. Gymnastics to argue the "mantle" is still fast even if the person isn't.
4. Ignoring the most recent showings.
5. Ignoring the highest showings of other characters.
6. Taking a 7 year old story at face value while creating unwritten excuses for every story since.
7. Hyperbole with respect to "synonymous" despite clear debate and contention on the issue
8. Feeling as if Johns has taken something from you or DC's domain (which wouldn't matter if you weren't attached to the character)
So my grounds are clear, looks more like reason to me than spurious accusation. If you have to do that much work to argue someone is the fastest, you're either a fan or stubborn or both. Regarding intentions, that's pretty much destroyed by when and how Wally caught him at the end of Rogue War and his stated motivations in Rogues' Revenge... it takes pretty colored memory of those stories to argue Zoom was choosing not to go his fastest in those stories.
2.) I wasn't ignoring his current condition, obviously he wouldn't be the fastest with that which is why I specifically said I was talking about pre-crippling and pre-losing powers.
3.) The mantle is still fast, Hunter isn't but that doesn't make the mantle so.
4.) Haven't ignored anything.
5.) His highest showing has shown that he was faster than the Flash family, so yeah.
6.) Uh-huh, you can keep believing that.
8.) It doesn't matter to me, I'm not a Flash fan nor am I a fan of his enemies. I'm a Billy Batson, and Marvel Family fan. I just don't like a writer like Geoff Johns, or any writer for that matter, preventing a character from being used just because he doesn't like someone else using them the way they were, especially when he does a lot of degrading and disrespecting of characters himself.
If you have to do that much work to argue someone is the fastest, you're either a fan or stubborn or both.
Back at'cha =P
You're ignoring his condition by claiming the mantel is fastest which is pretty ridiculous, especially when it was disproven even has Hunter held the mantel. You're ignoring Rogues' Revenge and Rogue War, both where he was motivated- said so- and was still outraced. You're relying entirely on one time that Zoom was faster, which is like saying Doomsday is forever the strongest or that Superman will always beat Captain Marvel because he beat him that one time. The Flash family and Zoom have since left that time behind and all present showings put them on par with each other.
Once again, I haven't ignored anything. I admit that I never read any of things you've mentioned and if you what you've said is true, then I will change what I said. More importantly, why does it matter so much to you. What I said shouldn't matter to you, and you shouldn't care.
And just to say this, the context of Zoom's powers should not allow anyone to actually keep up with him as easily as you make it sound, I will definitely have to look into those things since it really makes no sense.
" And just to say this, the context of Zoom's powers should not allow anyone to actually keep up with him as easily as you make it sound, I will definitely have to look into those things since it really makes no sense. "I appreciate you looking into it, you'll see he isn't what he was hyped to be.
Regarding the power description, that's never really a basis for extrapolation. The Sentry by all rights should be completely invulnerable to physical harm based on his power description, but nonetheless he gets hurt by physical blows, crashing helicarriers, etc. Even if it is the source and explanation of their powers, the practical application is what matters. And, as applied, Zoom is only so fast. It's the same for every character. Even The Flash. They can regulate their friction and kinetic energy, but that doesn't mean they can touch things and make them freeze or burst into flames because we don't extend their powers beyond showings and Zoom has only been shown to be so fast.
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