This isn't a racist thread it's more of a "what the hell, how can they just do this..." thread.

So as we all know Wally is now a black guy in the New 52, and in the tv show Iris West is a black lady. But I seriously can't be the the only one who sees that they are starting to draw Iris to look more and more black slowly... I mean come on... This is Iris in the start of the book as a white red head woman.

She is literally a ginger.

So then a few months pass and Wally West is now a black kid, and there is a new Flash TV show where Iris is black in it, and that's okay... but then it started subtly in issue 31 where her hair was brown for no reason.

I think "Well maybe it's just the lighting, but then the next issue comes out." She she is in 31 having apparently cut her hair short with a much darker skin tone then her previous pale ginger tone.

The by issue 36 she is just a full on black woman...

And by issue 38 we learn she is only getting blacker...

After this and the Jimmy Olson casting for the Supergirl show...

I think DC might actually be racist to gingers...

She still looks like a white character to me. Her brother Daniel does too. And it's been stated that Wally is biracial, so...

Yea, she does still look white.

in the new 52 she was never a red head, she had dark hair right from the first issue

I don't see how she looks black.

Her complexion got WAY darker for like 3 issues of the Venditti/Booth run then the colorist started drawing her normally again. But yeah she's still white.

It's stupid, horrible when they do things like what you're suggesting but I simply don't have the energy to complain every time.

Other then her bad acting...i like that there breaking boundaries and allowing an interraical couple.

So i dont see a problem with it.

Lol, still looks pretty damn white to me

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Yup,They changed her to Black in Tv Series too.I don't get that.

That is just unexplained.And to top it all of Barry loves her and so on.Next thing you know,Barry is going to be black too.

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she looks like a black woman to me. Sort of like Actress Vanessa Willams.

@cloakx14: So are mixed women like her just considered Black in the states?

@ganon15: yes, same as Rihanna.

I know this is almost 2 years old but the one drop rule lol. That's why Obama's considered black, Mariah Carey is too, Halle Berry, Alicia Keys even though none of them actually look that black (as in very european looking) even Obama I could always tell he was mixed his features look very European influenced lol.

Anyways I can actually see Iris West being mixed at most.. I can see they tried going ethnic ambiguous, tan skin, darker hair full lips.

xoxo, -Saint Sophie

I hate when race changes are used to sell books.

@nerevarine_11: Check out this rebirth Issue.

Iris is right there. ANd she looks pretty white to me. And this issue is more recent than any other one where she looks black.

@krleavenger: Exactly. I mean there are some white people who are mixed but look more white, but that would be stretching it. For example I'm Mexican and Black, but if you saw me you'd say "Hes Hispanic" unless I told you otherwise. I just don't get why Black Wally is still even around...I'm not racist trust me but he's just a gimmick

@nerevarine_11: They wanted to create "a new type of character" but it is obvious it is more of a shocking factor. Than they retconned it, stating how that Wally is not New 52 version of Wally West but rather his cousin with the same name but they have different fathers and both of them are brothers of Iris. Either way, at the start of the New 52 Iris was fully white woman (see OP). In Rebirth she is fully white as well (my post above). And in Pre-Flashpoint POst-Brightest Day solo Barry Allen Flash Series Volume 3, she is white as well.

So this is nothing but a complete bullshit.

@saint_sophie: Which was actually changed back at Iris being 100% white. Post 19.

I've seen nothing, to include skin tones, that have given me the slightest impression that ANY of these images represent a black (heck or hispanic, or indian) woman. Not sure what people are on about.

@heroup2112: Because she looked like being part black. At least for me and clearly for other people as well. Does not matter. Iris is back at being fully white person.

@cloakx14 said:

she looks like a black woman to me. Sort of like Actress Vanessa Willams.

Where's the black woman? All I see is clearly mixed girl with blue eyes lol

Oh yeah, and DC is not racist to anyone or anything.

Iris was never black in the comics. You're raving like a madman.

@dredeuced: Calling someone madman for no reason is pretty immature. She looked half black by the way.

No she didn't. The colorist changed and every white person in the comic changed with her. People asked after literally the first comic with Dalhouse and Booth and Venditti confirmed she was still white, despite then Wally's change.

You are barking at the wind.

@dredeuced: I know. Still Iris looked more Black than most. There are few panels when Patty and Iris looked pretty much the same when it comes to their skin tone but there are also instances when Patty was more White than Iris.

And my point was not making Iris black/half black. I know She is still white. The thing that bothers me is the way She is drawn. And not just Iris but everyone since Brett Booth became an artist for the Flash series. Well besides the Blue Flash IMO.

I'm not barking. You are doing it. For some reason you need to start a debate on something that is not debatable. Even Stating how I'm raging like a madman which is nothing more than immature and Plain wrong.

She looked exactly as black as every other white person in that comic. She didn't look like any of the obviously black people in the comic.

You're right, this isn't debatable. You should've stopped talking about it over 2 years ago. You're the ridiculous person who was screaming race change when it was proven literally the day the first issue came out that she was white. It wasn't suddenly Wally coming back that turned Iris white again -- she was always white! The artists just changed and your weird, racist personal bias peaked through and brought out the worst of you.

You complained about something that wasn't real, then doubled down when proven wrong. It is an absurdity.

OP is blind.

Just so people know Ginger hair isn't a white thing. Blacks and other ethnic groups can be born with red hair, sheesh. science people.

Iris is black, she just not Dark skin. Most people, think if your light skin you're not black, but they're wrong because black can in many different shades from light skin, brown, Dark and that's it.

Yeah no

New52 strikes again

So you noroms (Not all of you, but many of you), can read books and see movies about Alternate universes and differering versions of characters, but anytime they go dark tone or black, that's a bridge too far?

You cry about SJW and pandering and yet you're being SJW and want pandering. I'll never understand the comic book nerd. Or the TV nerd who loves comics. When a minor character is altered, you have no problems, absolutely none. But a main character is altered for a particular universe, and you lose it? Then you preface it with "I'm not being or I'm not racist."

Hmmmm...

Who cares? Firstly Iris in the comics does not look black at all. Secondly, even if she was it doesn’t matter. There SHOULD be more black characters in comics anyway.

It seems there’s a misconception in this thread, that you have to be actually black (as in the color black; charcoal black) to actually be considered black. Which is unimaginably false, a African American/Black person can come in different shades and color. My brother and I are of similar shade of that woman posted above( My brother a smidge lighter) and both of our parents are of African American descent. As for Iris West, she looks black to me.

Iris west is not black wtf!

Black people don't have blue eyes you idiot!. Why do black people keep trying ruin comics. There plenty of other races that's tan skin and that have blue eyes but definitely not black. Her hair for starters isn't black hair is it!?

Iris west is not black wtf!

Black people don't have blue eyes you idiot!. Why do black people keep trying ruin comics. There plenty of other races that's tan skin and that have blue eyes but definitely not black. Her hair for starters isn't black hair is it!?