@Yai_Inn said:
@InkInk: So you're saying a bunch of people aren't reading this comic and then they're complaining about it...
I'm not positive whether this was a genuine inquiry (if so, InkInk has addressed it) or more of a snide dismissal of complaining based on secondhand knowledge. If it's the latter, though, do consider the nature of the complaints. It'd be one thing if people were saying the art or writing sucked without having read the book. But if the complaints stem from the premise and implications of the book, then it would actually hurt them to purchase it (just to confirm their suspicions) because Marvel will simply look at sales numbers in determining whether people want the book to continue. Just think of the flip side. If these complainers had picked it up, people would say "Yeah, but you still bought it, so it must not be that bad."
I'm also going to go ahead and post the addendums to my former post (now that I can actually do so without being blocked) in case they were missed due to being edits:
January 9th: 2:01 EST
@Yai_Inn: Everything you say about the business angle of this is true.
However, backlash is generated not by business but by emotion, and in terms of things that can legitimately be expected to p**s people off, I think you're hard up to find a better example. So if the crux of your argument (re: this topic, not necessarily the overall series' legitimacy) is that people shouldn't complain because Marvel's just looking at their bottom line, that's fine, but it ignores that comics are art as much as they are commerce, and art's the reason people are complaining. The fact that this particular book seems to be completely disregarding the emotional component of its readership is precisely what makes it so appalling to people like me.
You didn't really address why these characters had to be killed (as opposed to an original cast) other than to say that it's beneficial for making money (though as most people who are interested in Arena because of the characters are now boycotting it, I'm not sure where you get the idea that that's actually a great boon to sales).
And again, even if they must die, none of them can get good deaths, because their deaths are all simply part of this side story. At the end of the day, regardless of the minutiae, the sentence reads "died in Arcade's Murder World, Avengers Arena #x." The noblest of deaths within this story is still irrelevant to the greater world from which the characters came, which means even if they receive a somewhat respectful death insomuch as Arena is concerned, their death will in the grander universe sense be quite meaningless. Add to this the insult of blatantly disregarding character immortality (I just don't accept that "God" explanation), and yeah, again: backlash.
The weight is doubled, of course, when you have Hopeless in interviews specifically addressing worried fans and specifically promising to make the deaths meaningful, and then fridging and/or disregarding canonical rules while killing them in the first couple issues.
At the end of the day, I still feel this is a commentary on the erosion of comic books. I don't know which is worse: that Marvel thinks they can make money off of shockingly murdering teenagers, or that they may quite possibly be right.
January 10th: 11:10 a.m. EST
@Yai_Inn: You acknowledge that the people who will appreciate this book are the ones who don't like the characters, which leads me to two questions: 1, is that group large enough to justify an ongoing series and 2, is the readership that sadistic, that the only thing they like about the book is that it kills characters people care about?
It just seems to me that the people who fit into your category of "excited because at least they're in something" would be far better served by the same cast of characters in a book in which they weren't being slaughtered. Not only does that lend itself to greater longevity, but it brings in all the people currently refusing to buy it in hopes the thing dies. As business seems to be the focus of Arena's defenders, I guess my real question is, do you actually believe that the group of people who will buy this book because of death appeal is larger (and therefore more profitable) than the group who would buy the book simply because of the characters in it?
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