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The Walking Dead 3.08 'Made to Suffer' Discussion

Michonne versus The Governor. Take your bets.

It’s about damn time. That’s all I have to say about Tyreese finally making his appearance in the AMC The Walking Dead universe. Sure, the context is completely different, but since he was one of my favorite characters in the original comics, I’m just glad to finally have him around – played by Chad Coleman of The Wire fame no less. However, the “Highlander” rule for black folks on The Walking Dead is getting a little ridiculous.

While the introduction of Tyreese ranks as one of my favorite moments from this week’s episode, it definitely wasn’t the week’s biggest moment. And for the mid-season finale, “Made to Suffer” delivered quite a few great bits. Firstly, we finally get the first major confrontation between the survivors of the prison and those of Woodbury. More specifically, we get to see just how the Governor winds up with that eye-patch of his.

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The overall fight between Michonne and the Governor was quite a brutal affair. Not only did Michonne stab a large piece of glass through the Governor’s eye, but she also shoved a sword right through his zombie daughter’s head. Michonne was clearly not playing around. But I will say, once Andrea walks into the room to end the fight, I’m surprised she took the fish tank zombie heads so well. She didn’t even seem all that phased. Girl has some issues if you ask me.

Additionally, we get to see Glenn and Maggie go berzerker style, using some rather gruesome methods to get themselves out of confinement. The one thing I can’t explain, though, is why Maggie hesitated to shoot Merle. The dude kidnapped you, tortured your boyfriend and now has a giant knife to his throat. It’s not like he would have been the first life you’ve taken; just two seconds ago you had no problem shoving a human wrist bone through some dude’s throat. Take the shot! But alas, that’s entertainment for you some times.

There were a few other nitpicks I have with the episode. Like when did Daryl get captured? Also, the cliffhanger was not nearly as strong as the mid-season finale to season two. But those are relatively minor gripes for an otherwise good episode. It was also cool to see Carl taking charge and continuing to become more mature even though he’s only like nine years old.

Overall, “Made to Suffer” was a solid hour of television, even if there were a few flaws in logic. So, what did you guys think of the season 3 mid-season finale? Sound off below.

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Posted By the_tree

I absolutely loved the episode. I love that Tyreese is finally in the show, and that Morrissey is finally starting to take shape of the comic's Governor. I actually kind of felt bad for Blake once that great, intense battle was over. Here's hoping that Darryl and Merle survive, I enjoy both of 'em.

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Posted By Super_SoldierXII

One complaint I have, is they haven't really made the Governor the almighty hate-able sunnuvagun he was in the comics ... I mean, I'm not overly yearning to see him get what's coming to him yet, no where near where I was when reading the books ... are you?

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Posted By TheHeat

Who cares that one black person has to die for another one to be introduced? There at least four black characters on the show. That's more than the Hispanic, Arab, Asian, and Jew characters combined. All I care is having the show continue to be solid.

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Edited By MadeinBangladesh

This season is the best soo far and this was my fave ep out the season!!!

and Tyresse!!!! Ohhh yeahhhh!!!! Too badd they have to kill a black guy to replace one.

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Posted By TDK_1997

The episode was epic.I loved it and I thought that this was a great end for the mid-season.THe end was so thrilling that I had my head thinking what the hell is about to happen.

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Posted By aaunderoath

@BoyWander said:

OH MY GOD. I was just starting to think 'Hey, andrea isn't so bad anymore'. And then she did it again. She did that stupid thing where she doesn't listen to the leader or anyone and just wants to be a stupid slut who goes awol. I'm not for the govenors team at all, but still. Listen you dumb whore. good god. My rage has built once again at her.

Also, Good job Carl.

I like your style, well said! I straight flipped tables when she shot Daryl -_-

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Posted By aaunderoath

@ReadTWD said:

This show sucks SO BAD. This watered down pg-13 version of the comic is unwatchable. Anyone who thinks this show is awesome 1) needs their head examined or 2) has never read the comic. Seriously, if you like this show, stop watching, go to a comic shop and buy the first couple trades. You will never watch this pile of crap show again.

Dude chill, it's different from the comics to keep people like you on your toes. Also it's on television .. you think they could show ANY of the comic book Gov on tv?! If you think they can put that on tv then YOU need your head examined. Yes the book is way more brutal and show alot more details of the characters struggles to survive but that doesn't make the show bad. Either get over the differences and enjoy the show or move on and ignore the show. Make yourself happy :)

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Posted By ReadTWD

@strangeling: I didn't do anything to be antagonistic. I have a negative opinion of the show and don't get how people, especially those who have read the comic, like it. Same as you. I have watched every episode of this pile of crap show right up to the last couple. I couldn't take it anymore and deleted the recording from my DVR.

For those who say it isn't watered down and pg-13 I say I disagree. The governor has been toned WAAAAAY down from the comic. They replace the truly graphic and horrifying violence human survivors perpetrate on each other with splashy zombie kill shots and think that makes up for it. I really wanted this show to be good but it is not. Deal with it. If you want a zombie based soap opera this show is for you. If you want THE WALKING DEAD you should read the comic.

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Posted By TerryBogard2014

@strangeling said:

@ReadTWD said:

This show sucks SO BAD. This watered down pg-13 version of the comic is unwatchable. Anyone who thinks this show is awesome 1) needs their head examined or 2) has never read the comic. Seriously, if you like this show, stop watching, go to a comic shop and buy the first couple trades. You will never watch this pile of crap show again.

Hey! Welcome to Comic Vine! I see you created this account today just to be antagonistic. If I'm wrong, how much did you watch before deciding you didn't like it? Personally, though I've decided to stop watching, I'll probably have that constant itch to, because I -want- it to be good. Maybe I can put it out of my mind by the time February rolls around.

@Renchamp: Ah, but see, you came at it the other way around. (I read your reviews of the comic.) Since you started with the show, you didn't have any hang-ups like I did. Makes me wonder how you thought about things in the books in relation to the what you'd already seen. Are you all caught up to the current issue?

You're absolutely right in regards to Two and a Half Men, by the way :)

@TerryBogard2014 said:

Watered down pg -13?boy you gone lost your mind.I've read the comics and I like the TV show.yeah there's aspects of it that are different.but its better for the tv show to be different then page for page the exact same damn thing.wouldn't be a point in a tv show then you would of been better off making a movie.keeping similar theme but different direction allows them to try stuff that maybe Kirkman maybe wanted to do or change something he feels he shouldn't have.your entitled to not like the direction but not everyone that has read the comics feel the same way

How about you? Comic or show first?

I agree they shouldn't follow the comic book page for page. That's one of the reasons I am so impressed with Lori's death on the show. They did an outstanding job on that, and it falls in with the 'correct' timeline. It 'fits' for me. Things like Tyreese just coming in now, when he should be about to head out, mess it up too much for me. For something that's supposed to be the same thing, they're just too different. That's why I referred to the show as being like a parallel universe. They could do more episodes like "Vatos," and add to the world, flesh it out more. Instead, they play the shell game with characters, and fluff it up with extraneous zombie encounters.

*shrugs* Sorry. I've stayed too long, and the show just annoys me now. It makes me grumpy :(

Comic first.Looking at it as a time line is kinda the same as comparing the two which you probably shouldn't do for your own sanitys sake lol.its just gonna be different.I'm also not completely happy with everything like dales end,how andrea is being portrayed currently.and that Michonne is acting like she learned the way of the samurai.when most shes supposed knows is college level fencing.but gripes aside i still enjoy the show alot and look forward to see what direction they go in next.T.V show put more people onto walking dead and even got a good tell tale game out of it.I'd say just try to judge the show on the story their trying to tell and not what the comic has already told.

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Posted By mickoreo_LZ

I wonder if they'll kill Daryl. He is very well liked by the viewers and the show isn't like the comics where popular characters get killed every few issues. Somehow I see Andrea intervening and helping Daryl escape, but maybe I'm just optimistic.

Great episode, but I would like to see exactly how Daryl got captured. And I wonder how big of a factor Rick's sanity will be moving forward. Great seeing Kirkman explain the scene with Shane on Talking Dead

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Posted By Renchamp

@strangeling: I was one of those suckers devoted to Marvel with no intentions of branching out to other things. The show reeled me in and I decided to give the comics a shot. I admit that the comics are better, but the show is great for what it is. I can keep the two separate. I don't need the show to mirror the books because I've read the books. I like a fresh approach with similar themes. And Kirkman is writing some of these episodes and changing things up himself. He's enjoying the ride like I am from a new angle.

(And I'm flattered that you checked me out in responding. Way to be educated with who you are talking with. *kudos* People doing so will see that I've got Walking Dead characters in my top wiki edits - with more to come after finals.)

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Posted By swhorl

@ReadTWD said:

This show sucks SO BAD. This watered down pg-13 version of the comic is unwatchable. Anyone who thinks this show is awesome 1) needs their head examined or 2) has never read the comic. Seriously, if you like this show, stop watching, go to a comic shop and buy the first couple trades. You will never watch this pile of crap show again.

Hey! Welcome to Comic Vine! I see you created this account today just to be antagonistic. If I'm wrong, how much did you watch before deciding you didn't like it? Personally, though I've decided to stop watching, I'll probably have that constant itch to, because I -want- it to be good. Maybe I can put it out of my mind by the time February rolls around.

@Renchamp: Ah, but see, you came at it the other way around. (I read your reviews of the comic.) Since you started with the show, you didn't have any hang-ups like I did. Makes me wonder how you thought about things in the books in relation to the what you'd already seen. Are you all caught up to the current issue?

You're absolutely right in regards to Two and a Half Men, by the way :)

@TerryBogard2014 said:

Watered down pg -13?boy you gone lost your mind.I've read the comics and I like the TV show.yeah there's aspects of it that are different.but its better for the tv show to be different then page for page the exact same damn thing.wouldn't be a point in a tv show then you would of been better off making a movie.keeping similar theme but different direction allows them to try stuff that maybe Kirkman maybe wanted to do or change something he feels he shouldn't have.your entitled to not like the direction but not everyone that has read the comics feel the same way

How about you? Comic or show first?

I agree they shouldn't follow the comic book page for page. That's one of the reasons I am so impressed with Lori's death on the show. They did an outstanding job on that, and it falls in with the 'correct' timeline. It 'fits' for me. Things like Tyreese just coming in now, when he should be about to head out, mess it up too much for me. For something that's supposed to be the same thing, they're just too different. That's why I referred to the show as being like a parallel universe. They could do more episodes like "Vatos," and add to the world, flesh it out more. Instead, they play the shell game with characters, and fluff it up with extraneous zombie encounters.

*shrugs* Sorry. I've stayed too long, and the show just annoys me now. It makes me grumpy :(

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Posted By BiteMe-Fanboy

@Dernman said:

Daryl better not die. Can Andrea be anymore stupid?

It's obvious that Daryl and Merle live when it shows the preview for the next half season.

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Posted By MarvelMan1985

I actually felled sorry for the Governor when his zombie-daughter died... But i think ill find him a bastard again next episode

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Posted By TerryBogard2014

@ReadTWD said:

This show sucks SO BAD. This watered down pg-13 version of the comic is unwatchable. Anyone who thinks this show is awesome 1) needs their head examined or 2) has never read the comic. Seriously, if you like this show, stop watching, go to a comic shop and buy the first couple trades. You will never watch this pile of crap show again.

Watered down pg -13?boy you gone lost your mind.I've read the comics and I like the TV show.yeah there's aspects of it that are different.but its better for the tv show to be different then page for page the exact same damn thing.wouldn't be a point in a tv show then you would of been better off making a movie.keeping similar theme but different direction allows them to try stuff that maybe Kirkman maybe wanted to do or change something he feels he shouldn't have.your entitled to not like the direction but not everyone that has read the comics feel the same way

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Posted By Renchamp

@ReadTWD said:

This show sucks SO BAD. This watered down pg-13 version of the comic is unwatchable. Anyone who thinks this show is awesome 1) needs their head examined or 2) has never read the comic. Seriously, if you like this show, stop watching, go to a comic shop and buy the first couple trades. You will never watch this pile of crap show again.

False. People can like whatever they want. This show is quality (for the most part). You'd seriously rather watch Two and Half Men? With all the crap on TV, this show is a shining beacon. (And I have read the comics.)

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Posted By ReadTWD

This show sucks SO BAD. This watered down pg-13 version of the comic is unwatchable. Anyone who thinks this show is awesome 1) needs their head examined or 2) has never read the comic. Seriously, if you like this show, stop watching, go to a comic shop and buy the first couple trades. You will never watch this pile of crap show again.

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@k4tzm4n said:

Someone want to inform the Governor that he can pull the trigger way faster than Michonne can swing that blade? No need to put down the pistol there, bro. Just sayin'.

I thought the same thing when watching.

Anyway, I freakin' loved the episode. It's good to see Tyreese finally making his appearance, although I expected to see Chris and Julie. But their absence is acceptable. I mean... some pretty heavy stuff happened to them. And Chris scared the crap out of me in the comics lol.

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Posted By Renchamp

@strangeling: I love both. The comic is superior story-wise, but the show is what I like in television: compelling characters. Alternate realities are nothing new.

I loved that Merle had stepped into the Bruce role, but that looks to be completely switched up. (I hated Bruce.) And I was actually touched at the Governor's concern for his daughter. Misguided? Absolutely. But he still cared for something. Michonne had to do it but, as a father, I couldn't help hating that the girl had to die.

A few more comments:

Andrea sucks and I hate that.

TYREESE!

Though I don't think Daryl will die, Carl is looking like he could easily fill those shoes.

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Posted By AnungUnRamaOdinson

@AlKusanagi: Andrea's vagina...LMAO man so true. Very hopeful to see here killed off in February.

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Edited By swhorl

I hate this show so much.

If you've read the comic book, and you watch this show, please tell me why. Do you actually enjoy it? Do you like it better than the book? Can you appreciate both, because I really can't see how that's possible; it seems to be an either/or type of thing. The characterization and motives in the show seem so alien. When I read the books, things made sense to me. When I watch the show, I find myself exclaiming, "What the !@#$%; why are they doing that," far too often.

Two and a half seasons, and what do I have to show for it? - Daryl's a decent, original character. Like a lot of people, I too, thinks he's the best thing about the show. But he is only one man, and grossly outnumbered by the rest of the cast. - They've only really impressed me with one moment: Lori's death. They made that moment their own in a unique and poignant way. A distant second is Glen's battle with the walker Merle loosed on him. - That's it. That's all.

My opinion: The show should break Daryl off from the main group and leave the rest of them behind; make the show its own thing, with new characters, instead of the bizarre parallel-universe-thing that it is. I've been of this opinion since the end of the first season, and I became more sure of it the longer I watched. Though it certainly would've worked easier the earlier it was done. They've probably gone too far to do this now.

The thing that gets under my skin the most? Andrea. Do I need to say more?

I need to give up on this television show. Someone let me know if they get rid of the main cast in the future, and I'll peek in on it again.

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Edited By Mucklefluga

Yesssss! Tyreese is bad-ass!!!!

That was funny when Michonne and The Governor first see each other "step away from her" "No" "Oh crap i've just seen your sword, here i'll put my gun down, please don't hurt meeee"

Also i'm starting to like Carl more now.

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Posted By KnightRise

@mrjoshua327 said:

@KnightRise said:

Has anyone else seen this HUGE (apparent) spoiler? Seriously, I do not reccommend revealing hidden content

I saw twice on Facebook an image of beloved Daryl hanging by his throat....with his organs being reached at by Walkers..................I don't even......

But I'm not sure that its real, because Daryl wasn't wearing those clothes this episode although it could be latter this season...I'm scared

That picture that you uploaded is from the movie Pandorum, so we're all in the clear on that not being Daryl

TYSM!!!!

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Posted By fodigg

@ccraft said:

@The Stegman: Whats Highlander rules?

"There can be only one." Also, you need to go watch highlander. Just the first film. Then the TV-show if you're inclined.

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Posted By fodigg

I think the highlander rules for black guys on this show needs to stop. For realz. Otherwise, great episode. Thoughts in spoiler:

  • This is the first meeting we've seen between Darryl and Merle. I hope we see some good interaction before Merle inevitably sacrifices himself for Darryl to redeem himself and not cost the show a fan-favorite.
  • Why oh why wouldn't Maggie smoke that fool? Knives are not magic devices that slit throats at high speed after the wielder gets their head blown off. Shoot him!
  • The Shane cameo was awesome. I miss Shane.
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Posted By powerhouse1122

And i was startin to like oscar :( too bad for the guy

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Posted By The Stegman
@ccraft: The rule that there can be "Only One" in other words, in order for a new black male to be introduced as a regular, the previous one has to die, it happened with T-Dog was replaced with Oscar, and again with Oscar dying with the introduction of Tyreese. 
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Posted By Super_SoldierXII

@McKlayn said:

@AlKusanagi said:

Andrea's vagina is a paladin. It has permanent Detect Evil.

And Carl is now officially a badass.

PS. Yay Tyreese and his hammer!

Rick doesn't get his hatchet but that is ok now :D

Actually, he did. He used a hatchet to kill scores of zombies when he went berserk after Lorie's death. A definitive nod to the comics and foreshadowing of things to come.

Fear not, the hatchet is there.

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Posted By ccraft

@The Stegman: Whats Highlander rules?

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Posted By Eyz

@Arcadian said:

Tyreese is SUCH A BEAST!!! In 2 seconds he became my new favorite character - I hope Chad Coleman throws a "My friends call me Coach!" line in there XD

^

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Posted By theTimeStreamer

i stopped watching at about episode 6 but ill be pissed if they kill daryl. kill carl or the stupid sherrif.

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Posted By Arcadian

Tyreese is SUCH A BEAST!!! In 2 seconds he became my new favorite character - I hope Chad Coleman throws a "My friends call me Coach!" line in there XD

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Posted By SavageDragon

AWESOME episode. Man February cant come soon enough.

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Posted By The Black Hood

Carl should be the new leader. He has all of the badass with surprisingly none of the crazy. That's right Michonne and Rick, the 11 year old can handle the apocalypse better than either of you... for shame!

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Posted By cmaprice
@BoyWander said:

OH MY GOD. I was just starting to think 'Hey, andrea isn't so bad anymore'. And then she did it again. She did that stupid thing where she doesn't listen to the leader or anyone and just wants to be a stupid slut who goes awol. I'm not for the govenors team at all, but still. Listen you dumb whore. good god. My rage has built once again at her.

Also, Good job Carl.

Boy oh boy, I think you may have missed one or two derogatory words for women who aren't afraid/ashamed of sex. 
 
Because it's not enough to just say a stupid character did something stupid; misogyny is the ideal way to express one's nerd rage. 
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Posted By Mega_spidey01

great episode ! i hope that they don't kill michonne. i was surprise she survived her fight with the governor. i hate andrea. i like the scene where rick thought he had saw shane walking towards him, he looked scared and shocked.

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Posted By BoyWander

OH MY GOD. I was just starting to think 'Hey, andrea isn't so bad anymore'. And then she did it again. She did that stupid thing where she doesn't listen to the leader or anyone and just wants to be a stupid slut who goes awol. I'm not for the govenors team at all, but still. Listen you dumb whore. good god. My rage has built once again at her.

Also, Good job Carl.

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Posted By Strafe Prower

Good episode. Carl is a beast.

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Posted By RedheadedAtrocitus

I really wanted to see Michonne maul Governor more, but that was still good I say at least that his eye's been gouged. The real curve was thrown to me with Daryl and Merle at the end of the show. Gosh, you couldn't have made it anymore suspenseful!

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Walking Dead is very good.

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Posted By batsymyplaything

@wessaari: Well from the previews, he seems alive and well and manages to regroup with Rick.

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Posted By mrjoshua327

@KnightRise said:

Has anyone else seen this HUGE (apparent) spoiler? Seriously, I do not reccommend revealing hidden content

I saw twice on Facebook an image of beloved Daryl hanging by his throat....with his organs being reached at by Walkers..................I don't even......

But I'm not sure that its real, because Daryl wasn't wearing those clothes this episode although it could be latter this season...I'm scared

That picture that you uploaded is from the movie Pandorum, so we're all in the clear on that not being Daryl

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Edited By Agent Buttons

Shane reminded me of Logan though..

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Posted By wessaari

Andrea is driving my last nerve, but i have a feeling she will betray the Governor. Daryl better not die, Tyrese is killed in the comics by the Governor when he is captured, and we know how the creators like to switch up circumstances to different characters...... just.......DONT KILL DARYL!!!

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Posted By ericdb92

@KnightRise: This picture of Norman Reedus is from Pandorum. His jumpsuit says Shepard which was his character's name. So, luckily doesn't mean Daryl will die in the second half of the season.

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Posted By Jean_Luc_LeBeau

Everyone who touched on the "Black" issue, fist bump. Its now become one of those things where I suspect the creators have even become conscious of it. Like an inside joke. But if this holds true, when Rick gets back to the prison there will be Three, count em, THREE, black characters all on Team Rick, AKA: Team One Black. We already know the shovel chick is a goner. But could Terese or Michonne really go to? Or could we actually see the prolonged use of two black characters on team Rick?

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Posted By Agent Buttons
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Posted By JamesKM716

@KnightRise:

Well that is certeinly interesting, but somehow i don't think it's true. That's a prison uniform. Perhaps someone photoshopped Darryl's face over Oscar's body?

Oscar was wearing a prison uniform, and was shot where those organs are coming out.

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Posted By KnightRise

@JamesKM716: @NightFang said:

@KnightRise said:

@JamesKM716

said:

@KnightRise: Where did you see that on FaceBook???

Go to my activity and look at the image I just uploaded for some reason I can't put a spolier block around it so I won't post it here

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Posted By NightFang3

@KnightRise said:

@JamesKM716

said:

@KnightRise: Where did you see that on FaceBook???

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