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Preview: SUPERMAN WONDER WOMAN #21

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SUPERMAN WONDER WOMAN #21

(W) Peter J. Tomasi (A) Doug Mahnke, Jaime Mendoza (CA) Paulo Siqueira

The epic "Truth" arc hits close to the heart as dark secrets come to light, forcing Superman and Wonder Woman to question whether their relationship can work in this new world of identities revealed and questionable actions.

Item Code: JUL150250In Shops: 9/16/2015SRP: $3.99

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So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

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Well that's interesting. Lois jealous or something?

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Well that's interesting. Lois jealous or something?

I think she is and I think that little sequence isn't going to help her unless it's expanded later in the issue. In that sequence she comes off as a callous person who doesn't care what came of her story. The writer has really done a good job of destroying her as a sympathetic or likeable character with this story, as I suppose was the design when they put Clark and Diana together. They had to get rid of Lois some how.

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I know the focus is on Lois and Firestorm here, but I'm loving that GL variant cover.

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*Scrolls through previews, see's Firestorm is in this, flips the f*ck out*

You know, as critical as I've been on Tomasi... he actually seems to write a good Firestorm. Then again he did work with Geoff Johns on the character in Brightest Day.

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Also somebody go tell Shag at FirestormFan

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Great to see Firestorm back, even just for a little bit.

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@justice_teen said:

Well that's interesting. Lois jealous or something?

I think she is and I think that little sequence isn't going to help her unless it's expanded later in the issue. In that sequence she comes off as a callous person who doesn't care what came of her story. The writer has really done a good job of destroying her as a sympathetic or likeable character with this story, as I suppose was the design when they put Clark and Diana together. They had to get rid of Lois some how.

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@justice_teen said:

Well that's interesting. Lois jealous or something?

I think she is and I think that little sequence isn't going to help her unless it's expanded later in the issue. In that sequence she comes off as a callous person who doesn't care what came of her story. The writer has really done a good job of destroying her as a sympathetic or likeable character with this story, as I suppose was the design when they put Clark and Diana together. They had to get rid of Lois some how.

I always knew it would come to this, it's the childish talent-less CWesque writing I can expect of this title. Probably to get rustle Lois fans too :P.

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@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

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@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

EXACTLY --Neither side gained anything from her exposing Clark, its not like she got more famous or won another Pulitzer

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@jeremy1989 said:
@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

EXACTLY --Neither side gained anything from her exposing Clark, its not like she got more famous or won another Pulitzer

Lois has gained alot of hatemail and death threats. And Clark gained enemies left and right coming to kill him since they know all about his secret.

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@jeremy1989: Well, I meant neither gained anything good

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@jeremy1989: Well, I meant neither gained anything good

Well none of this would've happened if Lois didn't expose him, and Clark would've done whatever it takes to find the blackmailer.

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Kinda considering picking this series up now that the main WW series is shite.

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Lois with no inhibitions...brattier as she's always been from the Golden Age onwards. Don't know why Lois fans pretend to be disingenuous as if Lois was ever some tactful, sensitive, diplomatic person. She's always been competitive, loud,pushy and always thinks she is right...so yeah under the lasso she is all that times 10. Only differnece is Clark is not a wuss allowing her to walk all over him as he used to in the past when DC had him pine for her attention. .. which imo is a good thing. Clark has been everyone's carpet for far too long.

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@kokemabb200 said:
@jeremy1989 said:
@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

EXACTLY --Neither side gained anything from her exposing Clark, its not like she got more famous or won another Pulitzer

Lois has gained alot of hatemail and death threats. And Clark gained enemies left and right coming to kill him since they know all about his secret.

Hate mail is supposed to compare to what Clark has suffered? She has her apartment, her job, her live in boyfriend...though you wouldn't think it from the way she was drooling over Clark in Yang's SM last month, her family, etc etc...Clark has lost his life, his town, his job, etc...cannot be compared at all. As for death threats if Hiro is dealing with them...teenage boys ...they were not dangerous to begin with.

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I can't stand these characters or this story line.

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Lois has come out of this better than Clark. Her reputation before was being a good reporter, a pulitzer type, now she's known as someone who will report the truth no matter who it hurts or how it affects society. In many ways that is being a good reporter. But as we saw that isn't what happened. There was no calm debate with herself or agonizing over whether it was right or wrong to do, Lois panicked. Then she wrote the story after it was already out and she wrote it in such a way that it made Clark look bad. So professionally she's come out of this in pretty good shape, almost great shape. Death threats come with the territory for any reporter, Mathews and Oriely have gotten them. It only adds to her stature. So aside from the government grabbing her (which should give her another great story to write) Lois has lost nothing in all of this. Clark has lost a big chunk of his life and he'll never get that back. Any apartment he rents, any home he buys from now on will be targeted by government and criminal forces alike, any friends he had or will have will also be targeted by government (as we saw in this issue, they'll never leave these people completely alone) and criminal forces. Lois has basically put a target on his chest in stead of big S. She was completely ruthless and she'll make out like a bandit once the dust settles a bit. It might cost her a friend or two but the Lois they are writing here doesn't really need friends.

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@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

Sadly he's probably going to just take all this from the government and do nothing.

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@jeremy1989 said:
@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

EXACTLY --Neither side gained anything from her exposing Clark, its not like she got more famous or won another Pulitzer

Even more reason for this character destroying arc to end fast. I mean the idea of Clark letting a masked information fetishist to blackmail him...harvesting his solar power is stupid and yet they try to show that as the reasonable option ? I know what Lois did with instead of calling help , just expose Clark to the world like that but I blame the whole '' lets bring conflict between Lois and Clark ...so we can paint Lois in a bad light everytime for this decision. And who comes in to make things better and have Clark feel better ? Her ONE TRUE LOVE Wonder Woman ! ...whom is the GOD OF FREAKING WAR. ''

You see how contrived this sounds right ? And yet this is what DC trying to push with these 3 characters. Only one that is painted in the 'godly' light is Wonder Woman...to show her as the 'better woman' compared to Lois.

Only thing I figured from this whole arc is that writing is a mess and it destroyed many character aspects that made them readable. I mean you wanted to read ethically strong Lois who would put herself in danger for the truth and not take the first easy solution without thinking the consiquences. Nor people wanted to see now angry Brute-man wearing T-shirts and riding motorcycles.

Again I like Wonder Woman a lot but in this whole arc how she is the only infallible character kinda makes me thing they are trying too hard to make her stand out and have us support her. '' see ? she is the good one ! She is who Clark needs ''. I sounds more like self-justification.

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Does it matter who ask the questions when the lasso is touching you? I thought it had to be WW. Because only the government guy is asking questions.

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@drodd said:

Does it matter who ask the questions when the lasso is touching you? I thought it had to be WW. Because only the government guy is asking questions.

I wondered about that. Also it seems that unlike Supergirl who was bound and unable to move Lois had no trouble moving.

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Really dislike Lois and that has not changed imo. lol

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@drodd said:

Does it matter who ask the questions when the lasso is touching you? I thought it had to be WW. Because only the government guy is asking questions.

I wondered about that. Also it seems that unlike Supergirl who was bound and unable to move Lois had no trouble moving.

It has always been stated that anyone bound by the lasso is forced to tell the truth, so no I don't think it matters who ask the question. I am more convince that anyone touching the lasso including the wielder has to tell the truth, since there have been cases where someone was not "bound" by it but touching it that told the truth. As far as moving goes I think its an effect the user can activate whenever, since the lasso has been showed a good number of abilities.

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Why do people like Lois again?

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@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

Yeah, that term doesn't mean what you think it means. There's no constitutional right to having your friend not tell your secret. There is however a constitutional right to not be held against your will arbitrarily for prolonged periods of time by government agents.

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@zeeguy91 said:
@jeremy1989 said:
@mark_stephen said:

So much for Lois's constitutional rights.

Forget her constitutional rights.

WHAT ABOUT CLARK'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?!

Oh wait, I forgot.

Lois took that away after she exposed him to entire world. So much for trust.

Yeah, that term doesn't mean what you think it means. There's no constitutional right to having your friend not tell your secret. There is however a constitutional right to not be held against your will arbitrarily for prolonged periods of time by government agents.

I was thinking fourth and fifth amendments for a start. The pity is that the writer probably has no plan for dealing with that part of the story.

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Lois has come out of this better than Clark. Her reputation before was being a good reporter, a pulitzer type, now she's known as someone who will report the truth no matter who it hurts or how it affects society. In many ways that is being a good reporter. But as we saw that isn't what happened. There was no calm debate with herself or agonizing over whether it was right or wrong to do, Lois panicked. Then she wrote the story after it was already out and she wrote it in such a way that it made Clark look bad. So professionally she's come out of this in pretty good shape, almost great shape. Death threats come with the territory for any reporter, Mathews and Oriely have gotten them. It only adds to her stature. So aside from the government grabbing her (which should give her another great story to write) Lois has lost nothing in all of this. Clark has lost a big chunk of his life and he'll never get that back. Any apartment he rents, any home he buys from now on will be targeted by government and criminal forces alike, any friends he had or will have will also be targeted by government (as we saw in this issue, they'll never leave these people completely alone) and criminal forces. Lois has basically put a target on his chest in stead of big S. She was completely ruthless and she'll make out like a bandit once the dust settles a bit. It might cost her a friend or two but the Lois they are writing here doesn't really need friends.

I think she should be a supervillain.

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I know the focus is on Lois and Firestorm here, but I'm loving that GL variant cover.

This...

Lois with no inhibitions...brattier as she's always been from the Golden Age onwards. Don't know why Lois fans pretend to be disingenuous as if Lois was ever some tactful, sensitive, diplomatic person. She's always been competitive, loud,pushy and always thinks she is right...so yeah under the lasso she is all that times 10. Only differnece is Clark is not a wuss allowing her to walk all over him as he used to in the past when DC had him pine for her attention. .. which imo is a good thing. Clark has been everyone's carpet for far too long.

...And this, though I still hate the Supes/WW pairing.

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Lois has come out of this better than Clark. Her reputation before was being a good reporter, a pulitzer type, now she's known as someone who will report the truth no matter who it hurts or how it affects society. In many ways that is being a good reporter. But as we saw that isn't what happened. There was no calm debate with herself or agonizing over whether it was right or wrong to do, Lois panicked. Then she wrote the story after it was already out and she wrote it in such a way that it made Clark look bad. So professionally she's come out of this in pretty good shape, almost great shape. Death threats come with the territory for any reporter, Mathews and Oriely have gotten them. It only adds to her stature. So aside from the government grabbing her (which should give her another great story to write) Lois has lost nothing in all of this. Clark has lost a big chunk of his life and he'll never get that back. Any apartment he rents, any home he buys from now on will be targeted by government and criminal forces alike, any friends he had or will have will also be targeted by government (as we saw in this issue, they'll never leave these people completely alone) and criminal forces. Lois has basically put a target on his chest in stead of big S. She was completely ruthless and she'll make out like a bandit once the dust settles a bit. It might cost her a friend or two but the Lois they are writing here doesn't really need friends.

Wait...

You don't mean Bill O'Reilly, do you?

Because if you do, that comparison makes Lois LESS of a legitimate reporter in my eyes now.

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@mark_stephen said:

Lois has come out of this better than Clark. Her reputation before was being a good reporter, a pulitzer type, now she's known as someone who will report the truth no matter who it hurts or how it affects society. In many ways that is being a good reporter. But as we saw that isn't what happened. There was no calm debate with herself or agonizing over whether it was right or wrong to do, Lois panicked. Then she wrote the story after it was already out and she wrote it in such a way that it made Clark look bad. So professionally she's come out of this in pretty good shape, almost great shape. Death threats come with the territory for any reporter, Mathews and Oriely have gotten them. It only adds to her stature. So aside from the government grabbing her (which should give her another great story to write) Lois has lost nothing in all of this. Clark has lost a big chunk of his life and he'll never get that back. Any apartment he rents, any home he buys from now on will be targeted by government and criminal forces alike, any friends he had or will have will also be targeted by government (as we saw in this issue, they'll never leave these people completely alone) and criminal forces. Lois has basically put a target on his chest in stead of big S. She was completely ruthless and she'll make out like a bandit once the dust settles a bit. It might cost her a friend or two but the Lois they are writing here doesn't really need friends.

Wait...

You don't mean Bill O'Reilly, do you?

Because if you do, that comparison makes Lois LESS of a legitimate reporter in my eyes now.

Chris Mathews, Bill O'Reilly... most of the after 8 crowd on the cable news channels. They are all more opinion than news and they've all gotten their share of death threats. I'd put Lois in with those types after this. After all she could have called for help instead of outing him.

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@lcazt1996 said:
@mark_stephen said:

Lois has come out of this better than Clark. Her reputation before was being a good reporter, a pulitzer type, now she's known as someone who will report the truth no matter who it hurts or how it affects society. In many ways that is being a good reporter. But as we saw that isn't what happened. There was no calm debate with herself or agonizing over whether it was right or wrong to do, Lois panicked. Then she wrote the story after it was already out and she wrote it in such a way that it made Clark look bad. So professionally she's come out of this in pretty good shape, almost great shape. Death threats come with the territory for any reporter, Mathews and Oriely have gotten them. It only adds to her stature. So aside from the government grabbing her (which should give her another great story to write) Lois has lost nothing in all of this. Clark has lost a big chunk of his life and he'll never get that back. Any apartment he rents, any home he buys from now on will be targeted by government and criminal forces alike, any friends he had or will have will also be targeted by government (as we saw in this issue, they'll never leave these people completely alone) and criminal forces. Lois has basically put a target on his chest in stead of big S. She was completely ruthless and she'll make out like a bandit once the dust settles a bit. It might cost her a friend or two but the Lois they are writing here doesn't really need friends.

Wait...

You don't mean Bill O'Reilly, do you?

Because if you do, that comparison makes Lois LESS of a legitimate reporter in my eyes now.

Chris Mathews, Bill O'Reilly... most of the after 8 crowd on the cable news channels. They are all more opinion than news and they've all gotten their share of death threats. I'd put Lois in with those types after this. After all she could have called for help instead of outing him.

Yeah, Bill O'Reilly isn't news. Don't say that he is, ever. He's just too much of a dumbass. Doesn't even deserve to have his "opinion" running a show.