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Off THEIR Minds: Should Batman be Allowed to Have Another Robin?

Chances are it's going to happen but should it be allowed?

Batman and Robin. The Dynamic Duo. The Caped Crusaders. You can easily have Batman without Robin. The two just go together so well.

We've seen after Jason Todd [originally] died that Batman needed a Robin. Having a Robin is what keeps him in check. Over the years we've seen the notion of Robin grow into something bigger. The role of Robin wasn't just to be a comedic sidekick but was now seen as a partner for Batman.

With the recent events and the dangers the role has caused in the past, the question is, should Batman be allowed to haver a Robin? We could debate this but we decided to ask creators this question at Emerald City Comicon. Check out what Joshua Hale Fialkov, Kyle Higgins, Brian Buccellato, James Robinson, Peter Nguyen, James Tynion IV, Matt Fraction, Josh Williamson, Jim McCann and Sam Humphries think about this topic.

Batman should have a Robin but are the risks too great? Is it a matter of child endangerment? Does Batman have the right to encourage kids to take on a dangerous role?

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Posted By JulieDC

If Superman can fly (something that would kill anyone else if they tried to do what he could do)and carry people high up in the sky without them dying from lack of oxygen, then I think it's okay for sidekicks to exist. It's fiction and its not bound by rules of reality. So lets stop acting like he is putting some kid in danger.

Just because some hack writer hates the concept of robin enough to kill the character doesn't mean the concept doesn't work. Dick was Robin for forty years and Tim twenty. Can we please stop allowing bad writers write for any Robin characters especially writers that don't respect the concept, legacy, and mythos? Robin works, you just need great writers that love him the way writers love solo Batman.

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Posted By atomicfist

He should take Tim Drake back as Robin

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Posted By Scantenii

If we decide that Batman is not allowed to have another Robin...your the one who has to tell him...

cause I ain't doing it...

Damian will be back in another year or two... I do wonder if while Damian is gone whether Tim Drake's costume will revert to a more Robin-like form...

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Posted By G_Money_Christmas

Yes. It's the Dynamic Duo. They need to be together!

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Posted By CrashBang

This debate is all well and good but creepy/awesome stalker Matt Fraction at the very end was what I so gleefully took away from this.

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Posted By yo_yo_fun

@JTrois said:

Realistically, no, but comics aren't realistic and every Robin that has died, died because Batman wasn't there for them. Dick died in the lump's world because he took the mob on by himself because Batman never existed, Jason died because he went off to the Middle East on his own, Steph died because she was fired and wanted to prove herself, Damian died because Batman told him to stay home. Heck, even Babs didn't get hurt until after she quit. I think people are totally misreading Damian's death because they are looking at it with a bias towards realism when, in context, it's the separation of Batman from his kids that leads them to their deaths and not their relation with him in general.

Hear, Hear!

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Posted By yo_yo_fun

Robin has become a very important character in the Batman universe so yes, there should definitely be a Robin!

Robin is one of my favorite characters in the Batman universe. I agree with Kyle Higgins, James Tynion IV and definitely Matt Fraction (he was hilarious!!).

"Should Batman be allowed to have a Robin?" If you're speaking in realistic terms, heck no! But comic books are NOT realistic!

Though I don't think there should be a Robin for a LONG time. If they decide to bring back Damien then that would be awesome but if not, I would like to see Stephanie Brown as Robin:)

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Posted By meltedmantis

I think Damien will return. Grandpa had resurrection technology. No new robin needed. Batman & robin will have a "guest" for a few issues leading up to an event to bring his ass back. DC is to predictiable

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Posted By RedheadedAtrocitus

Nah, just have Batman be solo now I say. Yeah, we'll get a Robin whether we like it or not, but I just don't think he should have one for now.

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Posted By Mrfuzzynutz

Should he be "allowed"? I do think it wise to have that conversation in the books with the characters to address that. But I agree with Mr faction, as a father my kids go Nut Shit whe they see Robin, They watch season 4-5 of The Batman non-stop because of Robin, Young Justice, and Teen Titans are all in heavy rotation due to Robin.

Batman might not need a Robin, but Dc comics needs a Robin without a question

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Posted By Avengers_4everXX

Of course he's going to have a Robin. If he doesn't have a Robin then what's the point of having a title called "Batman and Robin"? If they're going to leave him Robin-less for a while, then they should drop the book, but I think we all know that it's a company bi-law at DC that Batman books cannot be cancelled except in the event of a company-wide relaunch. Ergo, whether it's just Tim or some new Robin, Batman is going to have another partner in the foreseeable future, because god forbid we do anything other than add to the number of mediocre Bat-books on the stand

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Posted By JamDamage

I don't think people should be running around dressed like bats and fighting crime without a gun, but I do love to read the stories about them. I just don't want Robin to be a 10 year old again. That's so lame. If you're going to say he's been augmented in a test tube you might as well make him older too.

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Posted By JTrois

Realistically, no, but comics aren't realistic and every Robin that has died, died because Batman wasn't there for them. Dick died in the lump's world because he took the mob on by himself because Batman never existed, Jason died because he went off to the Middle East on his own, Steph died because she was fired and wanted to prove herself, Damian died because Batman told him to stay home. Heck, even Babs didn't get hurt until after she quit. I think people are totally misreading Damian's death because they are looking at it with a bias towards realism when, in context, it's the separation of Batman from his kids that leads them to their deaths and not their relation with him in general.

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Posted By EvanTheMexiJew

Matt Fraction staring deeply into the camera while eating a muffin FTW

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Posted By RoninLoganX

Yes, I say canonize Carry Kelly.

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Edited By SaintG

I wan't batman to go back to the old days when he was alone and more brutal and sometime find a robin but for now LONE WOLF!

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Posted By Carolina574

Heck no! These guys only have a 50% survival rate. (40% if you count pre 52 Stephanie Brown) DSS has to be all over this guy.

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Posted By Lorrie

One dead Robin is a tragedy. Two or more dead Robins is criminally negligent. In a just fictional universe, Bruce would arrested for felony child endangerment/abuse. He should be going to prison, not getting a shiny new sidekick that he will eventually let get murdered.

Batman is pretty much ruined for me. He got his 10-year-old son killed. I can't see how he can even live with himself, let alone ever let someone else be Robin. My ability to suspend disbelief only goes so far.

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Posted By karasu_

Either Tim or Cassandra should come back to fill the partner role, or simply, the legacy should be put to rest, like in most future batman stories (im sure joker would agree) and in all honesty there is no one worthy of the title now, bring in a new face and robins just a cheap gimmick of a 'bat' crusading character.. (like Stephanie brown or batwoman) why would batman be so stupid as to bring in another liability for weakness into his career? He's not, because he doesn't need to be kept in check, that's what his F*cking family is there for. Batman would never do something so unnoble and disrespectful as replacing his own son. He's simply going to make himself stronger, not ask for a lighter load.

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Posted By bookerman20

Since this is the "New 52" does this open up for Cassandra Cain???

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Posted By MadeinBangladesh

AWESOME VID!!! mAtt Fraction FTW!!!

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Posted By Jean199999

Maybe he should be alone for a while (a few years hopefully) before they bring in another Robin.

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Posted By AquaJustice

I want too say wait a least six months before he take's up someone as Robin. This is one of the hardest death that Batman has ever had too deal with in a while since's Jason Todd die. Batman has too deal with this not just a Batman but as Bruce Wayne. This is his son that died and has face the consequent's that come with it. I can't wait too see what they do with him and see how he deal's with as father failing his son.

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Posted By conradoaccorsi

@MaxSchreck: This.

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Posted By nechiporukoleg

Damien вернется, 100 процентов.

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Posted By MaxSchreck

Batman shouldn`t get another Robin . He already has three great partners , Dick , Barbara and Tim . Why should he risk being repsonsible for the death of another child/teenager ? Damian was probably more skilled than Tim and Dick were during their time as Robin and he even had Nightwing with him before the Heretic killed him . His death clearly showed that Batman can`t guarantee Robins safety . He risks that Robin will encounter a foe that he can`t handle on his own when they are sepperated .

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Posted By McKnight87

Batman should definitely have a Robin, but they should be at least 16 and therefore old enough to understand that it's not just a game and there is certainly the possibility of death. Yes, Jason died, but then he came back, so it doesn't really count. Given that Damian was his son, he should take a good 6-8 months and not have a Robin. I agree with Fraction in that they should have a girl. This is the chance to bring Stephanie Brown back in as Robin and then as Spoiler or another Batgirl if Barbara's cool with it. I know we're still on about the whole death thing, but to be fair, Batman does give them plenty of training before he lets them out of the cave to fight crime. I mean, Dick and Damian both kind of snuck out and didn't listen. Hey, kids will be kids and that, again, is why we need a set minimum age of like 15 or 16.

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Posted By SpitfireINK

No More Robins.

Always seemed out of character for Bruce and entirely Irresponsible to endanger the life of a child - outdated premise.

Needless to say - DSHS would have a field day with Bruce Wayne & no amount of money would save him.

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Posted By Cavemold

Brian gave best answer

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Posted By LaserLambert

@hyperman said:

Of course he should, it's like Superman and Lois lane, sherlock holmes and dr watson, Cleopatra and marc Anthony, Adam and Eve, Bonnie and Clyde and so forth, It's iconic!!! And I want so badly Dick Grayson to be back as Robin!

It'll never happen, but there is so badly a need for them to go back to square-one, or robin-one if you will, Do people in the DC universe see Batman with all these former Robins and Bruce Wayne with all these former 'wards' and just blow it off? it's getting a little too ridiculous for me.

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Posted By TheLog

@HoodlumNoHavoc said:

Fraction creeping on Sam just made my day! lol

By far the best part.

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Posted By SUNMAN

He shouldn't have had another robin after Jason. But he will and there will always be a robin for obvious reasons. It's comics, so you let it slide, but if you are applying real world morals and rational to this scenario the whole Batfamily are crazy for letting kids fight crime let alone all the other things they do

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Posted By badaboop

Should Batman be allowed? What exactly is that asking? That's like asking if the creators have the permission to do so. Who are we, the lowly fans who buy these stories and have no say in the creative decisions that go into them, to give an opinion on what can and cannot be allowed?

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Posted By V_Scarlotte_Rose

But if there's no Robin, who's going to help Batman puncture holes in giant lemons?

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Posted By DarklyDreamingDeadpool

i think batman shouldn't get another robin. i liked damian very much, he was my favorite robin of all time, but after losing another robin and especially his son, he can't endanger another life with the burden of a robin.

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Posted By dreamfall31

I'd like to see the New 52 Batman go the route of the Arkham game series and get an older Robin!

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Posted By Omega-Man

Really Batman should be Solo for a while and perhaps team up with Batgirl more. Or even Red Robin or even Nightwing. Personally I like my own three thoughts and maybe he should have Babs around more she hardly ever teams up with Bruce. As for a new Robin? no, I don't want Bruce to have one you can't replace your own child like that. That is just so cold hearted and Bruce Obviously loved his son, and any father would never replace his child.

The only way I can see it going through is if some character wears the costume and well Bruce takes it upon himself to train them up even saying no ALOT to the person wearing the Robin costume. Bruce himself wouldn't and shouldn't go around looking for a Robin and he should protest any new Robin since his own son passed away.

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Posted By TheHeat

Batman should just retire. He can't keep anyone alive. Worst. person. ever!

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Posted By FanofUltraman

I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Huntress becoming Batman's new protoge, or DC bringing back Earth-3 Talon. :D

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Posted By HushoftheWind

Batman has 3 Robins already. Have him team up with them and that'll be Batman and Robin dynamic from here on out.

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Posted By Red_Robin97

This is a hard one. Yes, he's messed up everyone that has been under his wing in some way, but then again, the Batman and Robin story needs to go on. If Batman doesn't find a new Robin, it'll be disappointing. Whoever said yes to Spoiler, I fucking love you. Stephanie needs to come back in some way, along with Cassandra. I really don't like Barbara as Batgirl again.

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Posted By blackkitty

I am not against Robin at all, but, I am against Damian. I hated this character with a passion when he was introduced. now it's possible he's grown more likable, but what I remember was his trying to kill Jason Todd so he can be Robin, instead of punishing him, Batman gave him what he wanted. Then Damian went to the Teen Titans and felt he was robin so he deserves to be in charge of the team... that didn't work out so well and not real sure what Batman thought was going to happen there.

If Damian got better, great. Sadly, I don't know because I stopped reading the book at that point. If there's a new Robin, I may give it a shot again...

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Posted By scouts1998
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Posted By comicace3

If he gets another robin I swear......

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Posted By lorex

In fairness to Bruce he did not initially train Damian for anything. He saw what path Damian was headed down under Talia's influence and decided to guide him to a more productive end. Given who his parents are Damian he was never going to have a normal life. Also I am not sure how serious I should take this death since there is this handy plot device called a Lazarus Pit that can bring people back from the dead. I doubt Damian will be gone forever.

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Posted By JairamGanpat

@Z3RO180 said:


You didn't know that?

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Posted By dcfox

No more Robins. Sidekicks are outdated. Granted I never read Batman & Robin, but I always thought the idea of one of the world's greatest superhero runs around with a 10 year old fighting crime.

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Posted By TeamUnitedNerds

Considering that Damian is probably going to come back really soon, we don't even need to discuss it

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Posted By hyperman

@hart7668: Damian as Robin and as Bruce's son was a kind of an experiment, that's why they killed him. At the end, it's all about money, after what they did with Barbara, putting her back as Batgirl, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they come up with something new and weird for the character.