Off My Mind: New Wonder Woman Vs. Old Wonder Woman

I conducted a random survey to a few people at school and asked them if they knew who...
1 Clark Kent
2. Steve Rogers
3. Bruce Wayne
4. Tony Stark
5. Diana Prince
6. Peter Parker
was, and nobody knew Wonder Woman.

Great article :D
I wonder why JMS is leaving?
I personally like the new costume, the old one was classic, but Wonder Woman needs to be shock up.

I like them both.  Nothing is final is the world of comics.

" Can't I just like them both? "

" I think it's sad when things revert.  What is it about comic books that they can't progress?  But it would be even sadder still if she reverted back so quickly after this big change.     "

" Can't I just like them both? "

" I think it's sad when things revert.  What is it about comic books that they can't progress?  But it would be even sadder still if she reverted back so quickly after this big change.     "

The change is only temporary, guys. She already knows that reality is jacked up, and is trying to fix it. 
 
She's the original version in other books.

  
I like that someone finally gave WW a pair of pants and a jacket. 
 It must have been fairly cold in outer space in her older outfit or breezy during the winter.

Where is that image of Wonder Woman from (the pic on the homepage)

I agree i miss the old wonder woman, i agree we should keep the new outfit but the whole timeline thingy must go away...

I also don't really care for her new costume change but it's the new storyline that annoys me. I hope things return to normal soon.

Honestly I don't care about Wonder Woman and I am sure most people don't. They just know it is a status and out of the big 3, killing her off and handing that mantle over would be the best bet. I did try to get into it when there was a reboot before with the Dodsons and the artwork pulled me in. I think there is a way to do it but it is so hard to get through it all. DC's history and continuity makes it hard to tell stories period. Kill her off, start fresh and then just do a Wonder Woman OGN like they are doing with Superman and Batman. I think Wonder Woman stories can be told in out of continuity and make sense.

J. Michael Straczynski  sucks balls

I really don't have a problem with the change....the only thing that bothers me is that it seems like her change is acknowledged by the rest of the DCU but at the same time not....all I want to know is where does this new Wonder Woman fit in with the rest of the DCU and how are they explaining it to the rest of the characters....why hasn't Donna or Cassie been included in this change as well...why is it exclusive to Wonder Woman

I like the Wonder Woman with less clothing. Is that wrong?

"I like the Wonder Woman with less clothing. Is that wrong? "

I prefer the old look. Old school is the best!

" I conducted a random survey to a few people at school and asked them if they knew who... 1 Clark Kent 2. Steve Rogers 3. Bruce Wayne 4. Tony Stark 5. Diana Prince 6. Peter Parker was, and nobody knew Wonder Woman. "

Both kind of work, but the newest one has more dignity to it, I always had a problem with the old one knowing who designed it, so it does make me glad that we're finally moving past it.

I just want more skin again because naturally nudity or without armor makes you stronger. Whats the whole point of armor and clothes there freaking gods and goddesses. normal citizens cover up and wear armor because where afraid to reveal are sexuality and don't stand up enough like the superheroes we all fantasize about. Now we want to make them more human than ever or where clothes like us screw you. 

Personally, I think we'll see Diana become what Donna Troy is/was/might still be. 
 
One of the few DC characters that remembers another version of herself. 
 
Of course DC could always choose to end this 'The All New' thing before anything comes of it and retcons it into the dark and cold cellars of abandoned ideas. Which would be a shame since it'd be cool if Diana did remember this version of herself after she's properly re-integrated with DC's normal timeline.

I must say that I consider JMS a very talented writer, I love many of his works both for comics and television. Unfortunanlty this time I think that he really screwed it.
It's no mystery that any author has a personal view of each character and, given the chance, will try to enforce this view upon the readers. But even so, I think that this new version really doesn't work for two big reasons:

• The whole thing seem to float between being in continuity and being out of continuity, which is kind of lame
  
• Wonder Woman is supposed to be a highly positive character, she represent hope as much as Superman (if not more). Her current incarnation as a hard-assed warrior isn't out of the character - she is an amazon - but seem too prone to shift into the psycho feminist avenger, which is something I really don't like

• She's extremly powerful, making any physical challenge very difficult to write
• She lacks a credible nemesis, or even a credible rogue gallery
  
• She has a cultural frame of reference which is alien for almost all of us
• She is supposed not just to fight the bad guys, but trying to actually change the world for better

One of the things that make Iconic characters Iconic are the costumes they wear and which we all know and love. This latest attempt at re-vamping Wonder Woman by giving her a new costume will undoubtedly go the way of "Electric Superman" from a decade or so ago. It will last a maximum of 2 years IMO and she will once again be wearing her traditional outfit.  Can anyone name a major character who got a "New Costume" that permanently worked? Even Spidey returned to his traditional Red and Blue after we found out the secret of the innovative Black suit!
This is just the latest attempt by one of the "big two" to mess around with one of their Iconic characters-  as if change necessarily always means change for the better. Not only have we had the "Electric" Superman mentioned above, but Iconic characters like Bruce Wayne and Steve Rogers have recently been "killed off" (Ha Ha - as if we didn't know they would be back!) in some vain attempt to temporarily boost sales which were perhaps in decline or breathe fresh "life" into flagging story lines. 
Let's face it folks, Iconic characters - and Wonder Woman is one of those - especially those whose costumes are patriotic in design - will always be known by those costumes.

" I don't care what look they choose. I just want the old Wonder Woman's personality back. "

" @queenfrost_: @DEGRAAF: It was a Jim Lee design. 

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I'm willing to give JMS the benefit of the doubt so far, but my hunch was that it was just another marketing stunt from the get go.  New costume, new drama and a lot of changes for the sake of "betterifying" the character.
 
I think WW is one of the hardest DC characters to write for.  She's a true-blue golden age paragon-type character.  Not exactly the type of material for people who want their heroes dark, flawed, dark, gritty, dark and full of angst and nasty stuff.  So they try to wedge that into the WW mythos, usually by taking away Themiscyra, killing off her mother or a bunch of other amazons.  And that's the feeling I got when I read the first issue of JMS.  Nothing really new, just trying to drag WW down to the level of your average Spiderman or Wolverine.  Drama, drama, drama !!!
 
I think DC and Marvel are big enough to have a wider variety of characters and story types rather than just try to fit the square peg into the round hole.  So give WW her golden age credit and make her stories about heroics, myth and being a great role-model.  Let her be an icon, don't bother giving her more street cred, she's way beyond that.  Some heroes are HEROES in the classic sense, no need to go fix that formula because somebody in marketing made a study that concludes that dark, darker, darkest is the only way to go.
 
But I remain cautiously optimistic that JMS or whomever is taking over will complete the arc in a satisfactory manner.  At worst we will look back at this a decade or two from now and say "what where they thinking ???"

Look, Wonder Woman needs to move out of the Comics and into movie and TV or she will never be anything of consequence. If a TV wonder woman or Movie Wonder Woman are successful then her comics story line would certainly fall into place. Comic books are not very big money makers by themselves. 
 
The whole issue with the old uniform is one of the major reasons why she is not on screen yet. Its so ICONIC American and reveling that it would not translate into a serious movie or TV series...especially on an international level (Think CATWOMAN movie!) since everyone will focus on the costume and not the character.
 
JMS and a host of others have been trying to solve this issue but as I said before her costume is too iconic to change for a serious movie or TV show.

" I think it's sad when things revert.  What is it about comic books that they can't progress?  But it would be even sadder still if she reverted back so quickly after this big change.     "

Hrm.  I missed that explanation too.  I wonder if this means that they're gonna use Bruce going back through time as the new Superboy Prime punch...I sure hope not.

" I don't care what look they choose. I just want the old Wonder Woman's personality back. "

I like the new look but honestly I'm getting tired of all this timeline shit. It's just an excuse to sell more issues. The storylines are getting too complicated to where I lose interest. I don't know. 

i prefer the new WW

i blame all this on jim lee

What gets me is two things:
1. Wonder Woman has ALWAYS been centered around Greek myth.
2. If this is all going on, how do Cassandra Sandsmark and Donna Trot exist in their current fashion? If the Amazons didn't exist ... neither would those two.
 Grr! Give me back my old Wonder Woman! Build up her rogues gallery (Circe, Ares, Giganta, Silver Swan ... they're a good start.)

I see the new WW costume as simply as a slight change--like Batman wearing all black versus the grey and blue. I agree, the time line issues do make things confusing.

" Ugh I hate new WW I don't enjoy reading her like this... I hope she goes back to what she was beforee! "

Okay the new incarnation of Wonder Woman has grown on me a little. Though dont forget folks Flashpoint is coming and it might fix a few things and there might be a merger between the old and the new Wonder Woman.

I don't even know the difference between the "old" wonder woman and "new" other than the new costume which is a huge improvement. I don't know whats so hard to understand about what JMS was trying to do.... He did not change wonder womans personality outside of what she has been since 1986. All he did was change the time line so we see what would happen if Diana did not grow up on Themyiscara. So far all her Actions are consistent with who she has been since 1986.
 
She just has not learned her mothers teachings...
 
Anyway if this whole thing ends in a much needed costume update I would be so happy.....because it would make sense for TV and movie Wonder Woman

I'll have to say that the new direction isn't working for me either.  I initially used the new direction as my official starting point for reading Wonder Woman.  Now, I'd just like to see the old version back.