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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Daredevil

The Man Without Fear takes on The Caped Crusader! Gregg speaks his mind on who would be left standing if these two iconic heroes duked it out.

Place your bets because it's time for the hero from Hell's Kitchen to throwdown with Gotham City's protector. We all know Bruce Wayne's resources and brilliant mind makes him a more than formidable character when throwing down against a character he knows, but what if he bumps into someone he has no knowledge of and what if he isn't in Gotham to utilize his resources? That's exactly the point of this monthly segment -- to analyze how The Dark Knight would fare in a random encounter against a character from a different universe. This month, we're having Batman bump into the Man Without Fear: Daredevil.

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To make sure the segment is neutral, the matches will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting at night (NOT Gotham). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times with these settings. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

Will Daredevil's agility and reflexes lead him to victory... or will Batman take the win? Read on to find out what I think!

Fighting Skill

Both of these characters have the skill to humiliate a staggering amount of humans in real life. That said, one clearly has more knowledge than the other. Daredevil underwent intense training and has a unique style which draws from boxing, ninjitsu, judo and much more. It's an incredibly effective method, allowing him to hang with (to some degree) talented characters such as Iron Fist, Punisher, Captain America and Taskmaster. Additionally, he has an advanced knowledge on pressure points. This precise set of attacks has reduced Hammerhead to tears, and allowed him to take down powerhouses like Absorbing Man and Mr. Hyde. He might not be a master of every style, but decades of comics with his encounters have proven that his mesh of various styles absolutely works.

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While Daredevil has gone toe-to-toe with some of the best Marvel has to offer, I personally do not believe he has what it takes to win a firm majority over some of the more fordmiable characters listed above. In this case, Daredevil is now going against one of the best from the DC universe. Now, Batman clearly isn't the best in hand-to-hand in his world, but the man is a master of 127 different forms and, just like Daredevil, has decades of encounters proving why he's one of the best. It's fair to say Batman knows pretty much everything Murdock does and then some. Batman has more knowledge in this regard, and while both have hugely impressive feats (Matt giving Danny a good fight, Bruce hanging with Lady Shiva), I'm giving Wayne the edge in this regard due to a wealthier amount of knowledge and moves at his disposal. That said, it's by no means a landslide in this regard -- not at all, in fact. I firmly believe Matt absolutely has what it takes to give Bruce an excellent hand-to-hand encounter, just not take the victory most of the time.

Edge: Batman

Equipment/Powers

This boils down to Batman's gear versus Daredevil's radar. As always discussed in this segment, Batman's gear is a ginormous factor. While smoke pellets and batarangs would prove ineffective here, just about everything else can be a game changer if it connects. Electric attacks, cyro pellets, gas... all of these can hinder Murdock and leave him open for a solid strike to the noggin. Although, what could spell particularly big trouble for Marvel's hero is if Batman decides to utilize a sonic device. As you likely know, that's a key weakness for Murdock and using that could drop Matt's defense and then it's game over, man! Game over!

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Yes, Batman's cowl and belt is packing tons of tech, but Daredevil's radar is a key factor as well. Not only will it allow him to see through smoke or dance around batarangs with ease, it'll let him keep track of the Dark Knight -- and that's huge if Wayne tries to focus on stealth. As for why Murdock can evade batarangs with ease, it's because his radar has enhanced his senses and the guy has become a regular bullet timer. Not only can he dance around gunfire, he's also swatted away bullets on numerous occasions. His superb agility and reflexes compliment his fighting style very well, making him a tough combatant for almost any street leveler. However, the variety at Batman's disposal is something that cannot be overlooked, especially when one option can almost immediately shutdown the match.

Edge: Batman

Mentality

Look, I think we can be blunt with this one. Matt's certainly an intelligent dude and he's definitely done some out of the box tactics with his enemies (distracting Bullseye with a decoy in DD #181, for example), but he's simply not Bruce's equal when it comes to being a tactician or raw intellect. Batman's often considered the world's greatest detective for a reason, folks.

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While I don't acknowledge most crossovers as canon (unless otherwise stated, of course), it is worth noting that after some observation, Batman was able to detect that Daredevil's other senses are heightened base on subtle head movements and his flaring nostrils. Now, I'm not saying that'll happen every time or even most of the time, but in the event the Detective can find that out, it's safe to say he'll test the theory out with a sonic to end their little bout. Both are absolutely smart fighters, but I can say without any reservation that Batman takes it here.

Edge: Batman

Physicals

People tend to underrate The Man Without Fear's physicals because he's outclassed by Captain America in this regard (who is enhanced human, as stated by Brubaker). However, the agile hero is no slouch in this regard. He's swung around a 400 lbs barbell like a bo-staff and even tipped over an occupied limo.

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While Batman has superior strength feats (like temporarily holding up a 1,000 lbs wall) and even endurance feats (see 'Knightfall'), it is Daredevil's reflexes which make me inclined to give him the nod in this regard. As stated above in Equipment/Powers, Daredevil's radar means his reflexes are fast enough to block and even deflect bullets. He's done this on plenty of occasions and often at the very last second. This, in combination with his topnotch agility, means I'm cool with giving him a small nod here. Yes, Batman does indeed have him bested in raw strength and endurance (not to mention he has peak human agility/reflexes, too), but it is DD's reflexes that greatly benefit his combat capabilities, after all.

Edge: Daredevil

Verdict

If you've been reading along in the feature, then my answer should be pretty obvious by now. While Daredevil is undoubtedly skilled and could maybe take advantage with a solid ricochet billy club toss or two, I can say with complete confidence that Batman should take a majority in this scenario. It'll be a hand-to-hand brawl worth paying to see, but at the end of the day, Batman is more indeed skilled and has more weaponry at his disposal to turn the tide. In the end, I think Batman wins via knockout 8/10. The Dark Knight takes a heavy majority, but Daredevil definitely goes down swinging and makes it quite entertaining.

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Want more Batman battles?

Daredevil was selected due to overwhelming demand to see the character used in this segment. Next month, though, I'm going to be selfish and use a character (or characters) I've wanted to include for quite some time. In the meantime, what do you think of this one? Do you agree or disagree with the outcome? Speak your mind below!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. This is the part where he shamelessly plugs his Google+ and Twitter page in hopes of getting a new follower or two.

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I know im way late on this. I agree with your verdict yet I feel you over estimate the amount of time before Batman realizes D.D. is blind and relying on other senses. Let us not forget Bruce is no stranger to fighting blind himself. As for your statement In the intro about a first encounter with someone from another universe I can only say ALL Access #3.

This is the first article of yours I have read... I will definitely be reading more. Thanks:-)

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Batman mastered 127 different forms of combat? I'd buy that he was familiar with them but a master....I doubt it

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@azza04: I understand the skepticism on that one.. seems improbable... but its more improbable than that. He mastered more than 150 styles, 127 were deadly. let's not forget though most martial arts at there core are similar thus mastering 1 increases the likelihood of mastering similar styles and so on and so forth

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@azza04: He gave Cass a DVD that showed him performing the " basics" of 127 styles starting with aikido and ending with yaw-yan.

Tha being said, I neither agree with the verdict here, or Batman knowing more MA than Daredevil. If anything Matt is somewhat more skilled, based on feats

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@lord_elfstone: Yeah, obviously it's a comic book world rules but it's my understanding that it takes years for a person to master a form of fighting. It's also kind of unnecessary. I follow mixed martial arts and most of the best fighters are just training to a high level in wrestling, jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, kickboxing/muay thai/karate/takwando.

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doubting the bat in the 127 MA again?

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If this is Batman v DD with Batman using gear, its gotta be Batman. If it was just a H2H fight with Batman not using gadgets or a fancy suit, would be much tighter...too many people seriously under-estimate DD.

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@zeeguy91: yeah batman really should win this battle between daredevil. and if he dont then that is just really sad and embrassing.

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@azza04: Agreed. Real world Batman most likely would only have near expert skill... real world Murdoch just woke up in the ICU though... and he never saw it coming ;-)

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Agreed, Batman should win this fight 9 times out of 10.

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@detective38: I think all the allies will join in (psst... electra could stab the **** out of robin and bat-girl)

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Of course he does, kick his red ass.

Sorry, Murdock, not this time and in this world

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Woooow a nice battle ....

why will batman him soo much

ben aflek is both batman & daredavil .. Why he will take out his own life ....!!!!!!!

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But... Daredevil is cuter, dresses better and throws better parties... So what gives?

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oh come on, Daredevil speed blitzes Batman in the first fight.

Daredevil is a bullet timer on a level batman has not reached by his feats.

On top of that his fighting skill absolutely is as good as batman. Batman isn't even the best bat person at fighting.

Daredevil has fought evenly with Cap, has beaten Wolverine and if you want to use the nonsense (oh Batman beats high level guys[ignoring that that is usually with prep]) Daredevil has beat Spiderman on a couple occasions.

Daredevil once beat up 100 guys, half of which who were drugged with Mutant growth hormone giving them super strength and other powers, with guns and swords, and he beat them all down unconscious in less than 3 minutes. He isn't just faster than Batman he's on another level.

He's closer to Cassandra Cain than Batman is.

On top of that he has better pressure points than batman, he can selectively shut off different body parts, make a person blind, all by poking them, and if he feels like being a terd he can just poke you in a way that makes you feel on fire.

Just because Batman says he has "Mastered every martial art" that doesn't mean he is better at fighting than Matt's custom style.

As for "You hit harder than Daredevil," well in Shadowland (and this is pre demon mind you) you can see how easily daredevil reems bullseye when he is actually trying. On top of that a lot of those crossovers had winners determined by fan vote which is absolutely ridiculous.

Batman would win a second go because of sonics and traps to mess up Daredevil's senses, but in the first encounter? He would go down.

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Bump... Any one find it funny that in the comics Dare Devil beats Deadpool 9/10 the one time Deadpool won was because he thought Deadpool had a hostage that's a baby. But in the verdict for Deadpool vs Batman batman wins 6/10 Mathematically speaking shouldn't Dare Devil win. :/

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Bump... Any one find it funny that in the comics Dare Devil beats Deadpool 9/10 the one time Deadpool won was because he thought Deadpool had a hostage that's a baby. But in the verdict for Deadpool vs Batman batman wins 6/10 Mathematically speaking shouldn't Dare Devil win. :/

Probably because Batman and Deadpool are two completely different characters. What you just described now is what people call ABC logic. If you really want to start comparing, Batman has almost every advantage Wade did not have in his fight against Matt, minus the healing factor of course. So just because Daredevil beat Deadpool, does not mean he can beat Batman too. A 7/10 verdict for Batman seems pretty fair.

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Bruce Wayne 10/10

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I think Daredevil will win.

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@marcow: Despite the Super power advantages of 'Radar Sense' ; blind is blind. Someone with Batman's deductive abilities would figure that out like he did in their crossover. You introduce Sonics, fight him in a crowd or use white noise or echoes then Daredevil is gonna be blind as a bat.

Additionally he's known as one of the weakest of street levelers; only having an overhead press of 450 lbs according to his Marvel Universe entry. Batman has an overhead press of more than twice that at at least 1000 lbs.

Also he's only mastered one martial art under Stick. While Batman has mastered all and perfected 127 according to DC Encyclopedia. Albeit Daredevil uses that one fighting form exceptionally well in conjunction with his Radar Sense.

I will concede Daredevil is likely more agile but that won't win him the fight.

Batman is likely a Class 7 in strictly fighting ability like Captain America is considering they stalemated each other. The most Daredevil has ever acrued on a Marvel Comics cardset in fighting ability was a Class 4.

The real litmus test would be who went over Bullseye easier. As Batman one punched Daredevil's arch nemesis in 1996.

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@marvelz0mbie: Why are you bumping old Batman threads with the same misinformation?. You clearly know nothing about Daredevil.

Despite the Super power advantages of 'Radar Sense' ; blind is blind. Someone with Batman's deductive abilities would figure that out like he did in their crossover. You introduce Sonics, fight him in a crowd or use white noise or echoes then Daredevil is gonna be blind as a bat.

First of all crossovers aren't canon so how a Batman vs Daredevil fight went in one is utterly irrelevant. Secondly, Daredevil has been in close proximity of explosions and gunshots and has fought people/used his senses in crowds a million times before. Plus, he has also fought through sonic attacks, so it's not as simple as 'loud noise== defeated Daredevil'. Not that Batman is even going to figure out his blindness and super senses in the heat of the battle anyways.

Additionally he's known as one of the weakest of street levelers; only having an overhead press of 450 lbs according to his Marvel Universe entry. Batman has an overhead press of more than twice that at at least 1000 lbs.

The weakest street level part shows you haven't picked up a Daredevil comic in your life, if I may be blunt. Handbooks are never reliable and I can write a thesis as to why. Matt has effortlessly picked up a 400 lbs bar bell and thrown it with enough force to send a man flying. You would thinks that if 450 lbs is his limit, he would be incapable of doing this. I can list all his strength feats if you like

I do think Batman is stronger, but you are severely underestimating Matt.

Also he's only mastered one martial art under Stick. While Batman has mastered all and perfected 127 according to DC Encyclopedia. Albeit Daredevil uses that one fighting form exceptionally well in conjunction with his Radar Sense.

More misinformation. Matt has mastered multiple fighting styles and Nick Fury has even stated that very few people in the world know what Matt knows.Just take a look at the way he uses nerve strikes if you think otherwise. Either way, it it ultimately doesn't matter since he has held his own against people who are even more skilled than Batman himself.

I will concede Daredevil is likely more agile but that won't win him the fight.

Yes he is and sure, Batman will win. But not for the reasons you have stated

Batman is likely a Class 7 in strictly fighting ability like Captain America is considering they stalemated each other. The most Daredevil has ever acrued on a Marvel Comics cardset in fighting ability was a Class 4.

Like I said before, crossovers aren't canon. And the Marvel comics cardset is even less reliable than the handbook entries. Go by feats, not by vague statements from dubious sources.

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@brucerogers: Batman. 'The World's Greatest Detective' will not figure out DD is blind in midst of battle? Even though he did once before in they're sewer battle pencilled by Scott McDaniel. At the very least whether canon or not. It showed Batman can.

Also I have the scan of where Daredevil battles those weightlifters. Those aren't Olympic weights. They are illustrated like regular weights. Appearing 250 lbs.But I should hope he can lift 450 lbs at waste height if he can overhead press it.

As for nerve strikes. Well since Batman started doing it decades before . Everyone from Captain America to Black Panther utilize them now.

Marvel prodused an entire cardset based on Classes. That is not a dubious source.

I really enjoy how you guys pick and choose what is canon from crossovers and what isn't. Storm beats Wonder Woman, Venom dominates Superman or Batman concedes Cap 'could beat him' you guys label it as canon and twist it and say Batman already admitted Cap would beat him. But if Batman mops the floor with Bullseye you immediately rebutt that it's a crossover and therefore non canon.

Apparently I know more about Daredevil than you. Admittedly the Radar Sense has been hella inconsistent but it has definitely been shown WHite noise, crowds, echoes and sonics mess with his Radar Sight.

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@marvelz0mbie: Batman. 'The World's Greatest Detective' will not figure out DD is blind in midst of battle? Even though he did once before in they're sewer battle pencilled by Scott McDaniel. At the very least whether canon or not. It showed Batman can.

Unless World's Greatest Detective makes him a mind reader, no he is not figuring it out when they are in the middle of a battle at least. Daredevil gives no tells about being blind and he has successfully hidden it from nearly everyone.

And non canon means non canon. Period.

Also I have the scan of where Daredevil battles those weightlifters. Those aren't Olympic weights. From the size they are regular weights. Meaning that's about 250 lbs.

Really?. Even though one of the guys on panel explicitly states it to be 400lbs?. So you are going to ignore something the writer himself has made clear to support your own head canon?

As for nerve strikes. Well since Batman started doing it decades before . Everyone from Captain America to Black Panther utilize them now.

Not the point. I wasn't comparing nerve striking feats. I brought them up to tell you that Daredevil knowing just one fighting style is false.

Marvel prodused an entire cardset based on Classes. That is not a dubious source.

Uh-huh. Even though it places Wolverine in the same strength class as Spider-man, along with countless other misinformation?. Sure

I really enjoy how you guys pick and choose what is canon from crossovers and what isn't. Storm beats Wonder Woman, Venom dominates Superman or Batman concedes Cap 'could beat him' you guys label it as canon and twist it and say Batman already admitted Cap would beat him. But if Batman mops the floor with Bullseye you immediately rebutt that it's a crossover and therefore non canon.

What the hell are you on about?. There is no credible or even remotely sensible debater on this site, who takes any of them seriously. You are just creating a strawman. Let me spell this out for you: unless explicitly stated, all DC and Marvel crossovers are non-canon and thus have unusable feats.

Apparently I know more about Daredevil than you. Admittedly the Radar Sense has been hella inconsistent but it has definitely been shown WHite noise, crowds, echoes and sonics mess with his Radar Sight.

Sure, even though you can't even get basic facts of the character right?. Also, I never denied about sonics messing him up. I pointed out that he has fought through them via sheer will power. Being in crowds or echoes does disorient him sometimes but nothing that would make him completely useless.

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Batman wins 6/10

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@brucerogers: it seems like a lot of your argument is opinion. If you discount all crossovers that limits a lot of usable information. I guess it's good for Daredevil as you could discount an actual occurence where Batman deduced Daredevil's blindness and helps you argue that the World's Greatest Detective could never do that lol. He deduced Ten Eyed Man's blindness, hes read the body language and deduced identition before but yeah your right Daredevil is immune to that. *rolls eyes*

You realise a curl is easier that an overhead lift? Right? DD should very well be able to handle 450 lbs at waste length if he overhead presses it. The same logic supports how Batman has a 2600 lbs squat. Before you question me on that I have the scans to back it up.

The bottom line is Daredevil has only mastered one martial art. It may encorporate others meaning he may be Adept and having a passing knowledge of others but I don't recall him travelling the wored learning multiple forms.

The card sets were parameters. Averge peak humans up to a point of 750 lbs like Hawkeye, DD and Black Panther were Class 2. 1100 lbs lifters like CaptainAmerica and Moon Knight (at the time he got heightened strength under a full moon) were Class 3. Guys enhanced beyond the achievable realm (low level super strength 2000 lbs to 10 tons) like Wolverine, Deadpool and Spider-Man were Class 4.

All Marvel and DC crossovers are non canon because you say so. Got it. I'm sure no one will ever bring up again how Batman once said 'Captain COULD beat him' as an arguement. *rolls eyes*

So you admit crowds and sonice disorient him? Last I checked that was a weakness.

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@marvelz0mbie: it seems like a lot of your argument is opinion. If you discount all crossovers that limits a lot of usable information. I guess it's good for Daredevil as you could discount an actual occurence where Batman deduced Daredevil's blindness and helps you argue that the World's Greatest Detective could never do that lol. He deduced Ten Eyed Man's blindness, hes read the body language and deduced identition before but yeah your right Daredevil is immune to that. *rolls eyes*

Ten eyes is not Daredevil, someone who has hid his disability and power from the smartest of the Marvel universe. Heck, Matt's control over his mind and body is so good that he has even fooled a telepath, during a game of poker in a recent story.

I know you want to elevate Batman as some grand omniscient detective, but he is not doing any of this when he is too busy fighting him. If it makes you feel any better I can get behind Batman eventually deducing it, but after careful study and observation, something again, which he will NOT be able to do when busy fighting him.

You realise a curl is easier that an overhead lift? Right? DD should very well be able to handle 450 lbs at waste length if he overhead presses it. The same logic supports how Batman has a 2600 lbs squat. Before you question me on that I have the scans to back it up.

You realise that I wasn't even comparing their strength feats and outright called Batman stronger right?. Seriously read my posts before jumping to make replies. My point was to show you that DD's limit is considerably above 450 lbs.

If you are talking about that 2600lbs leg press from Batman Odyssey, don't bother, because that is non- canon. It was a one shot story by Neal Adams.

The bottom line is Daredevil has only mastered one martial art. It may encorporate others meaning he may be Adept and having a passing knowledge of others but I don't recall him travelling the wored learning multiple forms.

So?, where does it say you have to travel around the world if you want to learn multiple fighting arts?. It is entirely possible to learn them from one person or organisation, like Daredevil did with Stick and the Chaste.

He has mastered more than one art. Deal with it

The card sets were parameters. Averge peak humans up to a point of 750 lbs like Hawkeye, DD and Black Panther were Class 2. 1100 lbs lifters like CaptainAmerica and Moon Knight (at the time he got heightened strength under a full moon) were Class 3. Guys enhanced beyond the achievable realm (low level super strength 2000 lbs to 10 tons) like Wolverine, Deadpool and Spider-Man were Class 4.

Even more misinformation. Cap is far above 1100lbs (which I am sure you would know if you actually read his comics) and most of this has no bearing on actual canon. It doesn't matter if there were sanctioned or made by Marvel themselves or not. Comics =/= Card games

Here is a little helpful advice, stick to feats that have actually been shown in comics rather than piggybacking off statements from sources that have nothing to do with anything.

All Marvel and DC crossovers are non canon because you say so. Got it. I'm sure no one will ever bring up again how Batman once said 'Captain COULD beat him' as an arguement. *rolls eyes*

It is non canon because a) They are from different companies and universes b) None of the events have any ever lasting effects on the respective universes and they don't even end up getting a mention besides a tiny nod or wink here and there.

Also, I am at a loss as to why you are so hung up on the Batman vs Cap fight. I didn't even mention it once, so take it up with the people who do that and stop creating strawmen.

So you admit crowds and sonice disorient him? Last I checked that was a weakness.

It is a weakness which he has learned to fight against and has mastered his senses to a degree where it doesn't affect him all that much. So it will take more than just loud noises to completely nullify his senses

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I miss these threads.

Bruce btw.

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@marcow: batman can dodge bullets as well. Maybe not on the level of murdock but he's no slouch in that area

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@brucerogers: Ten Eyed Man not Ten Rings. And yeah it is indicative of Batman deducing blindness. Daredevil is not hiding that from the World's Greatest Detective. There are tell tales. Having a radar sense that responds to beads of sweat etc. is a tell tale in and of itself.

Also Captain America is not far above 1100 lbs fyi. It's his max bench press. I challenge you to prove otherwise other than heresay and using Ult Cap stats.

Daredevil hasn't mastered more than one. There is no evidence to support that statement. I challenge you to prove otherwise. And he can't overhead press more than 450 lbs according to his Marvel Universe handbook entry.

Batman Odyssey not canon because you say so. Crossovers aren't canon because you say so. One shots aren't canon because you say so. GoT it. *Rolls eyes*

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@marvelz0mbie: Ten Eyed Man not Ten Rings. And yeah it is indicative of Batman deducing blindness. Daredevil is not hiding that from the World's Greatest Detective. There are tell tales. Having a radar sense that responds to beads of sweat etc. is a tell tale in and of itself.

Yeah I corrected myself on that, my bad. Either way, no none of this will work. Not least because people naturally sweat when they are in the middle of a fight and a bead of sweat doesn't mean anything. Your assumptions are bordering on plot device levels.

Also Captain America is not far above 1100 lbs fyi. It's his max bench press. I challenge you to prove otherwise other than heresay and using Ult Cap stats.

Not true and I never even brought up Ult Cap. Nice assumptions. If you want to debate this, take it to the appropriate thread.

Daredevil hasn't mastered more than one. There is no evidence to support that statement. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Uh huh, even though people like Nick Fury and Punisher have outright said otherwise?. Even though Stick and the chaste are known practitioners of multiple fighting styles? Okay

Batman is not canon because you say so. Crossovers aren't canon because you say so. One shots aren't canon because you say so. GoT it. *Rolls eyes*

Been over this. Que rolling eyes

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This thread went to the gutter all right....

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This thread went to the gutter all right....

Nah, it's still a good thread. It's just people who bump old threads with incorrect information that need to stop doing so

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Batman 10/10

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@brucerogers: I would really appreciate titles and issue numbers where Nick Fury and Punisher said Daredevil not just is Adept or knows of but has Mastered more than one fighting form other than American Boxing and Stick's style. Who were his other teachers then? I suppose you expect me to believe Stick alone taught him everything?

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@marvelz0mbie: Imma let you finish and I agree Batman wins...but since when is curling something easier than an overhead press?

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Batman beats him and then cures his cancer

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@brucerogers: I would really appreciate titles and issue numbers where Nick Fury and Punisher said Daredevil not just is Adept or knows of but has Mastered more than one fighting form other than American Boxing and Stick's style. Who were his other teachers then? I suppose you expect me to believe Stick alone taught him everything?

The Nick Fury quote happened in an issue during DD second volume IIRC and Punisher's comment took place during Daredevil vs Punisher means and ends, where he was gushing on how Matt kept changing fighting styles when brawling with him. AFAIK he made a similar comment during Welcome Back Frank.

Also, I don't see why he has to know all martial arts to give Batman a hard fight. With whatever he knows, he has given the likes of Iron Fist, Black Panther and Taskmaster hard fights. He can do the same with Batman

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Murdock has the skills to really, Really, REALLY make Wayne work for it. In a ten round bout, take a victory or two. But in the end...

EVENTUALLY...

Batman wins.

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@brucerogers: Do you have the scan of Castle telling him he keeps switching styles? I remember during the fight he mentions his boxing and then says something like "then there is this, far eastern upon a snowy mountain top". Danny also told him he has his Irish boxing and Jiujitsu as far as how he usually fights. I've always been under the impression that he doesn't have a lot of fighting styles under his belt but that doesn't impact his fighting in the slightest when he holds his own against fighters that do know virtually every style. Just curious for some of these instances that he knows a bunch of stuff.

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@god_spawn: Yeah that's the one.Maty was apparently switching between boxing and some exotic Kung Fu.

I would honestly take Dannys statement with a grain of salt. Daredevil has shown more than just boxing and justitsu. He had learned a few Japanese sword fighting techniques from the chaste, he knows Kung Fu as his fight with Punisher attests and then there are those pressure point skills

Marvel hasn't set a number but he most definitely knows more than 1

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@brucerogers: I wouldn't say it was worthless. Iron Fist knows how to fight almost exactly like DD and he said that was just what he most commonly uses, and that itself kind of piggybacks off of Castle's statement as well. Im not saying he doesn't know more but he isn't credited with knowing like 127 styles. But his style and what he knows makes him one of marvel's best.

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@brucerogers: I read that Punisher fight and it doesn't specify styles however I with concede Daredevil knows at least Jujitsu, Kung Fu and Irish Boxing.

God_Spawn. Difficulty: Overhead press/ clean & jerk > Bench press > Deadlift > waste height curls > leg press > squats. Legs are biggest muscle in the body so Daredevil being capable of a 450 lbs overhead press means he can likely leg press 1000 lbs.

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@marvelz0mbie: I don't know where you're getting some of your info on that. Overhead pressing is a hella easier than curling something.