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Carnage Returns in October

To fight Spidey and Shellhead.

  Can these two handle the Carnage?
 Can these two handle the Carnage?
That’s the damnedest thing about parasites. You can cut them off with a blade, you can incinerate them with a megaton bomb… but no matter how thoroughly you think you’ve killed them, they always somehow manage to eek their way back into your business. Symbiotes are parasites, of course, so anybody who thought Carnage was gone for good ought for to feel foolish right about now. Sure, the last time we saw this monster, he’d been torn in half by the Sentry and tossed into orbit at the beginning of NEW AVENGERS.   All that was really missing was a big bloody “FATALITY” floating in space to mark the occasion. But c’mon, you knew Carnage would be back someday. Even without Cletus Kassidy.

See, one of the titles that was announced at SDCC was CARNAGE, a limited series by Zeb Wells and Clayton Crain that’ll start pitting Spidey and Iron Man against the red maniac in October. Wells has been talking about the project in a number of places, from Marvel’s site to IGN (and thanks to Grubich for the head’s up,) and saying that, just as Venom went from Eddie Brock to Mac Gargan, so too will Carnage pass from Cassidy to an all-new female character. One question that’ll be addressed pertains to how much of Carnage’s evil up until this point can be blamed on the symbiote, and how much of it stemmed from Cassidy... because this new host? She's going to be a bit more conflicted about the usual bloodlust.

  Of this, I speak.
 Of this, I speak.

Ever since seeing Bill Sienkiewicz’s poster of MAXIMUM CARNAGE, I’ve always held this villain in regard as one of the most horrifying in the Marvel universe. Any of you remember that intense “ Spider-Carnage” storyline from back in the days of Ben Reilly? So I’m glad (although a bit scarred, admittedly) to see this killer’s returned to the fold. But what about you Comic Vine maniacs? Do you concur?

-- Tom Pinchuk is the writer of HYBRID BASTARDS!  and UNIMAGINABLE. Pre-order the HYBRID BASTARDS! hardcover now on Amazon.com.

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@zombietag said:

" where did he say it was going to be female? i read a couple interviews about it and i didnt see that.   i agree by the way, dont judge whats going the character (w/ out cletus) until we actually see it. it might not be cassidy carnage, but maybe it will be something different. not better or worse, just different and awesome. who knows "

 IGN Comics: By starting from scratch are you referring to a new character? Can you tell us a bit about the character? Does this person know Peter Parker?

Zeb Wells: She's a civilian who gets sucked in to Spider-Man and Iron Man's world. We're going to see just how much of Carnage's villainy was Cletus, and how much was the symbiote. ... That's enough.
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@Nobody said:
" @G-Man said:
" Boo! No more Carnage. He's dead. Leave him that way. "
You just became even more cooler, if that's possible. "
Hehe...even more cooler...nice. ;-)
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@Emerald Dragonfly said:
" I think I know who will be the host. 
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Shoot me...
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Can't say I'm surprised he is back.

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A new, female Carnage who'll be conflicted about the bloodlust? Ehhh.... The idea of a symbiote host who doesn't like killing has already been used with Toxin.

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@GreenLantern555: Oh, c'mon, just joking. Even though, I won't be surprised if I took a right guess, 'cause this is MARVEL. Quesada knows how to shock public with some brand-new crap, y'know.
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@Emerald Dragonfly: Brada, I know you were kidding. If it did happen though, any respect that I had for Marvel would disappear. ;-)
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@bunnyonthemoonlol said:
" @Son_of_Magnus: whats next iron man without tony stark?or wolverine without logan?FAIL! "
Both of which we've gotten in the last 20-25 years...
 
Overall though my reaction is this, "Oh.  Joy.  A new variation on a very 90's idea."  What's next bringing back leather jackets over spandex?  Oh, wait they are doing that. How about giving a character an armored costume when they don't really need one?  No wait they just did that one a few  years ago too.  OK, how about massive shoulder pads and excessive pouches?  Yeah, I don't think those have made a comeback yet.
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I completely hate the idea. They've done female symbiotes already anyway. It sounds like they want to make this new character Toxin. If they were going to do a Toxin story why didn't they just do it, of if they really wanted to do a female version of Carnage why not dust off a chracter like Scream. Not to mention that the Carnage symbiote was originally supposed to be Cletus Kassidy's  blood and unable to leave him, although this fact seems to be completely forgotten. I would have loved to have seen Warren Ellis do more Carnage stories like he did with Mindbomb.

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First anti venom(wth) and now this? Maximum carnage was beast, to bring back the symbiote on some random chick w/issues comes off like a bad soap opera. The 90's=dead.
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Why not Cassidy? He was perfect.

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Never saw that. Does anyone has a scan of Britney Spears (Sentry) killing Carnage?

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I'm glad Carnage is coming back, disappointed that it's a Spidey/Iron Man story and not a Spidey/Eddie story though. 
 
Anti-Venom vs Carnage would have been awesome.

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I concur. Should be good.

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I was wondering when he'd come back. I'm really looking forward to seeing him again.

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Wired...i'll have to wait and see hoe it goes...

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" I'm glad Carnage is coming back, disappointed that it's a Spidey/Iron Man story and not a Spidey/Eddie story though.   Anti-Venom vs Carnage would have been awesome. "
Wells actually said he'd be interested to put Carnage up against Anti-Venom, in his interview.
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@Morpheus_ said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" I'm glad Carnage is coming back, disappointed that it's a Spidey/Iron Man story and not a Spidey/Eddie story though.   Anti-Venom vs Carnage would have been awesome. "
Wells actually said he'd be interested to put Carnage up against Anti-Venom, in his interview. "
Did he? Oh, cool. Well, I'll shut up then. Still bummed Iron Man is in it though.
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I think the Mac Gargan Venom needed to stay as a Scorpion/Venom and not just the same thing with a new reason. 
 
As far as Carnage - if it is not a homicidal one - then it will have to be a NEW symbiote. Because as we have all seen- when the Cassidy symbiote is given to somone, it brings ALL of its attributes ( that being the killing and the maiming and the waHh--Ho nEr Wing murder) ah-hem.

 
 In either case - ....WHAT ABOUT TOXIC? ...

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" I'm glad Carnage is coming back, disappointed that it's a Spidey/Iron Man story and not a Spidey/Eddie story though.   Anti-Venom vs Carnage would have been awesome. "
Wells actually said he'd be interested to put Carnage up against Anti-Venom, in his interview. "
Did he? Oh, cool. Well, I'll shut up then. Still bummed Iron Man is in it though. "
I agree. Iron Man has no place there.
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@TheMess1428 said:
" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "  
Not only does that make a lot of sense, but it could be like a small homage to Ultimate Gwen Stacy/Carnage
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This is an interesting and exciting new direction I think.  Would be worth reading to see how the new symbiote host deals with the bloodlust as mentioned by the impeccable Mr. Pinchuk

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By Crain!!! Awesome!
Carnage back, not so much... but since I love Crain stylized artwork... 
 
Talking about all those symbiotes and such, more than Eddie Brock back into the black symbiote, Carnage's return or Mac Gargan's symbiotic adventures, I would love to have some kinda follow-up to early 2000s' character Toxin!
What happened to the guy?!

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Why make him now a girl? Whats up with that?
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Awwww jeez i really thought they totally killed him off but yes ive been wrong before and ive should have seen this coming well i'll be looking forward to this and i hope their might be a Carnage vs Venom rematch in the future
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Carnage should be the villan in Spiderman 4. Either that or Vulture.
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Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:

" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more
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Come On They should of kept that psycho dead....

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I loved it when he got ripped in half. 

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I'm not going to read anything with this New Carnage unless She Makes a Real Impact on the Character, Cletus was basically Zsasz with a hemophiliac Symbiote, and not much else. 

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@sora_thekey said:
" Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:
" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more "
 
They've pretty much confirmed it's going to be a all new character so I'm pretty sure Sarah is safe, and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings .
 


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@*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back!
and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?!
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@sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back! and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?! "
Yeah that's true,  and considering that  it definitely does make sense as a option. Wow! Yeah that be pretty randomly funny, and at least definitely a interesting match for him.
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@*Girl of Steel* said:
" @sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back! and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?! "
Yeah that's true,  and considering that  it definitely does make sense as a option. Wow! Yeah that be pretty randomly funny, and at least definitely a interesting match for him. "
Probably would be too much for Tony to handle
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@sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
" @sora_thekey said:
" @*Girl of Steel* said:
"and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings"
I think that's because the dynamic between the two characters was really good, until Civil War... they are trying to get it back! and how funny it would be if Tony's next girlfriend was Sarah Stacy?!?! "
Yeah that's true,  and considering that  it definitely does make sense as a option. Wow! Yeah that be pretty randomly funny, and at least definitely a interesting match for him. "
Probably would be too much for Tony to handle "
Yeah at least reformed Tony anyway... lol
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@*Girl of Steel* said:
" @sora_thekey said:
" Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:
" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more "
 
They've pretty much confirmed it's going to be a all new character so I'm pretty sure Sarah is safe, and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings ."
I didn't see anything about it being a new character. It just said female. And female Carnage screams Gwen Stacy and she's dead so Sarah Stacy is left.
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@TheMess1428 said:

" @*Girl of Steel* said:

" @sora_thekey said:

" Passing on to a female host sound very Ultimate... In the 1610 Universe the host was Gwen Stacy... who could be the....
 
@TheMess1428 said:

" I'm putting out there that I think the new host is Gwen Stacy's daughter. "
Don't be surprised if she is... although I really like Sarah Stacy as a character... This would probably ruin her even more "
 
They've pretty much confirmed it's going to be a all new character so I'm pretty sure Sarah is safe, and that would be weird anyway for them to integrate her into Tony's world.  
Makes more sense as a new character anyway with they way the want Iron Man, Peter, and the ability explore the characters inner workings ."
I didn't see anything about it being a new character. It just said female. And female Carnage screams Gwen Stacy and she's dead so Sarah Stacy is left. "
    
 
IGN Comics: By starting from scratch are you referring to a new character? Can you tell us a bit about the character? Does this person know Peter Parker?
  ZebWells: "She's a civilian who gets sucked in to Spider-Man and Iron Man's world. We're going to see just how much of Carnage's villainy was Cletus, and how much was the symbiote. ... That's enough. "
 It's probably not totally likely that's it is her but I suppose it isn't out of the question either.  It would be cool though now that I've thought about it to see her back into  the fray of stuff.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108393p1.html
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@G-Man:

Here here! I actually would like to see Carnage again, but just not brought back like this... It feels like it's too little too late.
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Oh yeah
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@*Girl of Steel*:  It just feels like a total retcon though. It was always nodded that the symbiotes go after humans that have hatred or blood lust in them. Venom was pure hatred, Carnage wanted murder and blood spilled. Kinda like Khonshu is with Moon Knight. But they were only as vicious as the human it inhabited. Venom turned into a hero because he wasn't just maiming and destroying. Carnage turned into what it was because Cletus was a deranged killer. 
 
If it's just some woman that it picks off the street, I'm not buying it. The woman it picks has to be interesting enough on her own, have a good story as to why the symbiote wants to bond to her. It's not that me (not speaking for everyone) is jumping the gun, it just sounds like a re write without a need of one.
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@KasadyCarnage said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @WillRobinson said:
" @Gambit1024: Unsurprisingly. You don't have to be a parasite in comics to be "brought back from the dead". I will say that Carnage is one of the least inspiring villains in all of comics for me. Psychopath killer is one thing, but no real motive other than a bee-line for 'Spidey/Venom makes him an obvious Joker facsimile without the intelligence and drive to make him interesting. Pass. "
He kills people because deep down he doesn't want them to have the opportunity to hurt him. He's a child afraid of being abused again. "

I'm the one who told you that. "
I know. And you were right. So I told him that.
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@Nyogtha said:
" @*Girl of Steel*:  It just feels like a total retcon though. It was always nodded that the symbiotes go after humans that have hatred or blood lust in them. Venom was pure hatred, Carnage wanted murder and blood spilled. Kinda like Khonshu is with Moon Knight. But they were only as vicious as the human it inhabited. Venom turned into a hero because he wasn't just maiming and destroying. Carnage turned into what it was because Cletus was a deranged killer.   If it's just some woman that it picks off the street, I'm not buying it. The woman it picks has to be interesting enough on her own, have a good story as to why the symbiote wants to bond to her. It's not that me (not speaking for everyone) is jumping the gun, it just sounds like a re write without a need of one. "
Yeah it is pretty retcon-esque, especially considering his very definitive death. But I'm pretty sure they said his bloodlust will remain within it, so that's not probably going to factor.  As for the " possibly new character" I'd at least hope it's someone they would thoroughly well build before introducing. I'll definitely be fan depending on how it's handled, but I really think their goal is to just give us a new perspective into the symbiotes. Yes it is sort of  a rewrite..., but it wouldn't have been a lot lamer if they had thought of some stupid way to bring Cletus back.
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Finally, Carnage is back! I admit, I was kinda looking forward to seeing Kassidy return so he could be pit against Anti-Venom, but this story sounds even better. And with Iron Man, too? Even better! 
 
I just hope this new host is a new character... Not some perverted clone-child of some demented villain or one of Spidey's friends... I want a whole new story!!!  And a whole new character!

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YAAAAAAAASSS My boy carnage is coming back and know  he's going to fight spider-man and ironman cant wait for octuber.

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@KasadyCarnage said:
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Told ya he'd be back... I did... but then it turned arround and bit me in the @$$. I miss Cletus Kasady already. Carnage deserves better than this.

"

LMAO. I somehow knew you would be all over this.
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never liked the character... so it ehhhhhhhh to me

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i love Crain's work and this series i think it would be awesome

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@KasadyCarnage said:
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Told ya he'd be back... I did... but then it turned arround and bit me in the @$$. I miss Cletus Kasady already. Carnage deserves better than this.

"

@KasadyCarnage:
I completly agree i say bring back Kasady as if venom changing characters was'nt enough
bringing back a great character but bringing this big change they said Kasady may not of been in the symbiote but now he's dead officially talk about my day being ruined
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Can't wait to see Iron Man and Spiderman team up. I'm not too sure about Iron Man's armor though.