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Battle of the Week RESULTS: Black Panther vs. Deathstroke

The dust has settled and only one of these cool characters is left standing. Come see who's walking away as the winner and why!

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Slade Wilson, a.k.a. Deathstroke, was our latest Character of the Month. Week after week, we'd test his abilities as a combatant against opponents he's never met before. He was able to defeat Boba Fett and Taskmaster, but his luck ran out when he faced Deadpool and Hellboy. For his final week as Character of the Month, he squared off with one of Marvel's most formidable heroes: T'Challa, a.k.a. Black Panther. Both are highly intelligent, heavily armed and very skilled, but who does the community think should win between these two popular characters? The votes are in and the community is siding with...

Black Panther!

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While most voters sided with the Avenger, a majority of them agreed that this will be no walk in the park for either combatant. Even though one's a hero and one's a mercenary, they have many similarities when it comes to combat. Both are covered in incredibly durable costumes (vibranium micro weave vs. Nth metal), armed to the teeth (Slade's assortment of bladed weapons and firearms vs. T'Challa's anti-metal claws and energy daggers), and, as proven time and time again, both are gifted tacticians and praiseworthy hand-to-hand combatants.

They're comparable in many attributes, but the community believes T'Challa's combat feats (a Super Skrull and Iron Fist come to mind), the lasting power of his armor (basically immune to firearms and cannot be stabbed, only slashed), and deadly anti-metal claws will eventually earn him the victory. Again, it's a fight that's sure to leave both injured and in major need of some downtime, but the people have spoken and they think this is a fight that T'Challa's going to eventually take. Slade will give it is all and make T'Challa work for the victory, but when all is said and done, T'Challa's durability and means of damaging his opponent are big factors. Now, let's check out the poll's results and see what some Comic Viners had to say about this brutal battle.

  • Black Panther 58%
  • Deathstroke 35%
  • Too close to call 7%

Quickfingers26

"I'll take Black Panther for the majority.

While Deathstroke is stronger, possesses a healing factor and operates as if he is always morals off, in this particular battle he is out-skilled and more importantly, out-teched.

The three things that T'Challa brings to the table that will make the most difference are: the vibranium armor (pretty effective versus bullets, staffs and stabbing swords (if not slashing)), the anti-metal claws (which should destroy Slade's armor/sword) and his superior skill.

Slade will get a few wins because he is really that good. But Black Panther will tear through his weapons/armor faster than Slade can get through his.

T'Challa 7/10."

Omnicrono

"This is a pretty darned even match up if ever I've seen one. I can see either guy taking his fair share of wins. However, since this is New 52 Deathstroke, and his pre-New 52 "skill" feats also apply, I'm going with Stroke for a slight majority - 6/10. New 52 Stroke is incredibly durable, with strength and speed to match thanks in part to his Nth metal armor which enhances those traits to an even greater degree. His just plain quicker thinking will serve him well here too. Panther is easily the better martial artist, but I don't think that will be enough in a random encounter against Stroke's all-around superior physicals (in my opinion) and wider assortment of weaponry, and Stroke is no slouch in the martial arts department either. Panther has stealth mode for sneak attacking, but I'm not sure how much good it will do against a guy who can detect minor variations in air pressure to "sense" encroaching opponents. From where I sit, both are pretty equally matched when it comes to battle tactics, and neither are afraid to kill, though I do think Stroke will be much more apt to go for the killing stroke (heehee) early on - that's just his mentality - which might be the deciding factor in this particular battle.

All in all - very slight edge to Deathstroke."

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God_Spawn

"I'd probably back Panther. To keep it simple, if we are using pre-52 and new 52 feats and tech for Slade, then Slade is just carrying the edge in strength and toting a decent healing factor. Using just new 52 feats, I'd say Panther is faster. If pre-52 skill includes his speed feats, it's much closer. The big difference here is T'Challa boasts the better gear. His vibranium suit is going to protect him from most of Slade's weaponry. So the guns, blast staff, explosives, and the sword on certain types of attack, will be dealt with by the suit. Now while Slade's nth armor is durable, a skilled enough fighter has been shown to bypass it, so T'Challa is skilled enough to do so and on top of that, his anti-metal claws would anyway. And with his claws, T'Challa can damage Slade's weaponry, especially if it comes down to sword vs claws, which it most likely will. Slade's best bets to deal damage would be slashing along the grain, and he doesn't need the knowledge to do so or potentially get T'Challa in a choke hold and slowly apply the pressure, but that would be much easier said than done.

T'Challa brings the better gear to provide a solid defense and a dismantling offense. He brings the better skill feats in general, and can match Deathstroke in most stats except for strength due to Nth metal armor. But that degree isn't so much that it makes a huge difference here. It won't be an easy battle, but I feel T'Challa should win a healthy majority with Slade going down swinging in each one."

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SnowyMountain

"Oooh. This would definitely be one Hell of a match. The problem is that I truly believe that the pair have advantages and disadvantages over the other. Deathstroke naturally has the advantage when it comes to long range with his arsenal of weaponry while Black Panther would probably come up nearly his equal at hand to hand ranges. Both are adept in hand to hand combat and while Deathstroke might be physically superior to Black Panther, I think he would not be able to fully overcome Panther's speed and quickness. Unlike the previous week's opponent, Taskmaster (whom I voted at losing by the way) would only be at the peak of human capability as a top level athlete; Panther is most definitely beyond that level and is probably close to Captain America himself. In addition, most of Panther's weapons such as his claws and energy daggers are designed for close quarters combat--which is why I think he would hold a slight edge over Deathstroke in that particular arena.

In addition despite the New-52 Deathstroke in his suit of Nth Metal, I'm not sure that he would be able to overcome the protection of Black Panther's vibranium-mesh outfit while Panther's daggers and anti-metal claws might be able to actually bypass Deathstroke's armor.

Not to mention that both of these individuals are highly trained and skilled tacticians and strategists; in fact that I suspect that the Panther would actually edge out Deathstroke in that area as well.

Both of them are too evenly deadlocked, unable to overwhelm or overcome the other. They will immediately understand that Deathstroke has the advantage at range which the Panther will deny him the opportunity to take the maximum advantage of. While the Panther is just too dangerous at close quarters for Deathstroke to defeat. Afterwards, I think both men will take a step back and take a breath and realize "the fight is too evenly matched, there's no real point to fighting it out here today in what may result in a stalemate."

The Panther will realize that by walking away, he can limit potential property damage or loss of life. Deathstroke is a consummate professional and pros know when it's time to walk away as well. They will decide that they gained some valuable intelligence about the other and devise some sort of plan to counteract the other's advantages at a later date. Neither side really wins here, but neither really loses.

RESULT: STALEMATE!"

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Do you think the right character won? Feel free to continue the conversation below! Voting for the next Character of the Month will begin next week!

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black panther because deadstroke relies on weopans too much

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@k4tzm4n when is the next char of the month poll going up?

If this was already answered tell me what page

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@chaos911: It wasn't. I assume it will be up sometime this week.

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Deathstroke would do to Panther what he does to Batman. Physicals are close, but Slade has the superior stats (outside of senses). As for the anti-metal claws, has it been proven that they can disintegrate Nth metal? Nth metal has some anomalous properties itself, so there would probably be some sort of cancellation effect in play. Slade is also the better tactician, as Panther may be smarter in general, but he can't think faster. Slade's faster too, as he's made a career out of tagging members of the Flash family. Deathstroke wins the majority.

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Deathstroke would do to Panther what he does to Batman. Physicals are close, but Slade has the superior stats (outside of senses). As for the anti-metal claws, has it been proven that they can disintegrate Nth metal? Nth metal has some anomalous properties itself, so there would probably be some sort of cancellation effect in play. Slade is also the better tactician, as Panther may be smarter in general, but he can't think faster. Slade's faster too, as he's made a career out of tagging members of the Flash family. Deathstroke wins the majority.

Anti-metal has destroyed primary adamantium which is way more durable than Nth metal. And we have no idea how fast flash was moving when he got tagged.

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@monsterstomp: pretty sure most people I talk to understand it, they just disagree. It isn't hard.

Wolverine08 called you out on the point I originally quoted and now you're bringing up what the majority are saying. GG.

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The king wins again

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@jashro44: not unarmored. Armor is necessary for this scale of fighting, but I am saying vibranium weave is overboard. However, I am quoting the outcome of the fight saying that his win was attributed to his gear, which is the only advantage.

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@amratheking said:

Deathstroke would do to Panther what he does to Batman. Physicals are close, but Slade has the superior stats (outside of senses). As for the anti-metal claws, has it been proven that they can disintegrate Nth metal? Nth metal has some anomalous properties itself, so there would probably be some sort of cancellation effect in play. Slade is also the better tactician, as Panther may be smarter in general, but he can't think faster. Slade's faster too, as he's made a career out of tagging members of the Flash family. Deathstroke wins the majority.

Panther is Batman times three. Maybe more

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@wolverine08: again, I'm not saying Panther is nothing without his armor, you are trying to bend my point to make it extreme, which makes it easier to counter. I simply said, he needed his armor/weaponry to beat Slade this match-up. Vibranium armor and antimetal claws are an extreme advantage which is what was attributed to his win by the people who voted and gave reasons. Due to all of the people saying "BP's anti metal claws win this for me" or the same thing about his armor. I could care less about what he could do while un armored, that is absolutely irrelevant and a diversion tactic to change the topic.

The topic is about the extreme qualities of his gear, which was deemed the reason (by most) for BP's victory.

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@monsterstomp: a post I originally posted in a forum about the results of comicvine voting....

I haven't conceded personally that BP would win.

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This would be one of the hardest fights for BP since Cap. What gives him the win in my opinion is his intellect. Combined with his skill and experience, it tips the scale just slightly over DS.

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please with the promethium blade panther is dead.

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@cable_extreme:

again, I'm not saying Panther is nothing without his armor, you are trying to bend my point to make it extreme, which makes it easier to counter. I simply said, he needed his armor/weaponry to beat Slade this match-up.

Oh really now, huh? In post #97 you explicitly said these words:

no, it just seems he needs them (near impenetrable armor, and weapons that can cut through anything) to be effective.

And I countered such by pointing out that Black Panther was able to do extremely well subbing in for Daredevil in Hell's Kitchen with no physical enhancements and none of his standard gear to boot, and I questioned you as to whether or not Deathstroke has done anything similar, a question you decided to avoid. I'm going to assume the avoidance of the matter was just a silent admittance to being unable to counter the point. Don't back and try swerve around what you've been trying to pass off throughout this thread regarding Black Panther and his gear and don't bring up what you deem "irrelevant" if you don't want it to be shut down.

Vibranium armor and antimetal claws are an extreme advantage which is what was attributed to his win by the people who voted and gave reasons.

This is what makes MonsterStomp and I question what is even your point in the first point. Fights are built around people having advantages, it's how we get winners in the first place. What do you want, for Black Panther to not have any advantages? Now that's just silly. Numerous people in Black Panther's weight class like Spider-Man, Wolverine, Iron Fist, etc. have "extreme" qualities to them that make it hard to beat him like physicals, healing factor/adimantium skeleton, Chi enhanced striking power, etc. Are you going to start complaining every time aforementioned qualities give these characters wins? I suppose you have a problem with Wolverine's skeleton now because it can cut through anything and are now going to start gripping about it? Better yet, how come when Deathstroke was given an adimantium sword(Which can cut through anything) in this thread:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/deathstroke-vs-captain-america-1571092/

You didn't make a peep about it? Do you only complain about extreme gear when it contributes to Deathstroke losing a battle? And in any case, Black Panther's gear has been standard for years, it's a part of him and not just something he got tacked on for this battle that all of a sudden gave him this win. And there are street levelers out there that have very solid cases to being able to beat Black Panther for a majority like Spider-Man, Iron Fist, etc. so it's not like his advantages make him invincible.

All it boils down to is that Deathstroke just wasn't good enough.

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@wolverine08: yeah, in post 97 take context of what this specific forum topic is. It is about the results of a comicvine battle. I am pointing out the reasons people thought that BP would take a victory. I am not referring to my own position, especially since I still firmly believe Slade would win this match. You are grossly misrepresenting my point and trying to make it sound like I am saying BP is helpless without his gear. "To be effective" is soley in reference to this fight. Meaning they have pretty similar stats and only his gear could give him the edge, and I was saying so in context to my initial point which is that the majority of comicvine voted for Panther DUE to his gear. And for your ending statement, I think Slade is more than good enough to win this match, I have not conceded that he would win.

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This just won't end

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@cable_extreme:

yeah, in post 97 take context of what this specific forum topic is. It is about the results of a comicvine battle. I am pointing out the reasons people thought that BP would take a victory. I am not referring to my own position, especially since I still firmly believe Slade would win this match. You are grossly misrepresenting my point and trying to make it sound like I am saying BP is helpless without his gear. "To be effective" is soley in reference to this fight.

You weren't misrepresented at all buddy. Don't sit her and act like you were a victim and your post and what it meant were spelled out clearly with bundles of context in it. There wasn't any context behind what you said, your words simply where: "no, it just seems he needs them (near impenetrable armor, and weapons that can cut through anything) to be effective." Then you come back and try act like the context was clear This is exactly what MonsterStomp and I meant by you refusing to be clear and actually picking a point to expound on. You jumped from Black Panther needing gear to be effective, to T'Challa's gear being an "unfair" advantage(Something you again failed to expound on), etc. Be consistent for Pete's sake.

And for your ending statement, I think Slade is more than good enough to win this match, I have not conceded that he would win.

Well then, your arguments clearly weren't good enough to sway either me or the majority of the people whom voted in this battle.

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@jashro44: not unarmored. Armor is necessary for this scale of fighting, but I am saying vibranium weave is overboard. However, I am quoting the outcome of the fight saying that his win was attributed to his gear, which is the only advantage.

So the gear which black panther has carried as standard is "overboard"? And why are you claiming its overboard if you're not even convinced black panther wins? And no gear was not his only advantage.

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please with the promethium blade panther is dead.

Nope.

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@wolverine08: I never said I was a victim, I said you are confused about what I am saying. Which it looks like you were and still are. I provided context for the purpose of trying to clear up with you my point, but for some reason you wish to tell me instead what I was trying to say. "To be effective" in a forum regarding the outcome in this battle. I don't see why that is hard to understand, if you are still having trouble, I can go further into detail for you if you would like.

And my arguements didn't exactly matter that much, people vote before they really even read any of the arguements, and they can't changed them if they are convinced otherwise. And I don't think your arguments were the reason BP won this match, it was his gear (according to most of the people I read).

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@jashro44: yeah, I do think BP gear is overboard, and people who voted for him thought it was an essential factor for his victory.

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@jashro44: yeah, I do think BP gear is overboard,

Even though you think Slade beats him still? Seriously?

and people who voted for him thought it was an essential factor for his victory.

I know. But you seem to imply its the only factor at all:

@wolverine08: meaning he needed near impenetrable gear, and weapons that could cut through anything to take the majority, since that is what was attributed by the majority for his win.

You seem to be implying there is no other reason black panther won....Skill was debated and many people were more convinced by black panthers skills than they were deathstrokes. And the only reason Deathstroke had the physical edge was due to his gear. Black Panther is more than capable of contending with Slade if you removed there gear.

You than later said this:

@wolverine08: so, you are saying military grade weaponry, plus enhanced physicals (which BP also has) equates to wearing near impenetrable armor and having weaponry that can literally cut through anything? I am not buying it.

Again you seem to be implying there is something wrong with black panthers gear? When Slade also has "nearly impenetrable armor" and "weapons that can cut through anything", his armor and weapons just aren't at the same level as black panther and you want to fault black panther for having better gear?

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T'Challa's gear is simply superior to Slade's. There is no reason to fault Black Panther for that.

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@cable_extreme: You clearly are incapable of picking and staying with a position to debate with(Black Panther's gear being too much, Black Panther needing his gear to be effective) and are just going to continue using vague points and then claim I've misrepresented them so I don't see the point in continuing with you from this point.

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@monsterstomp: again, I am not faulting black panther for it, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall. I am pointing out that his gear was the reason people gave for his victory...

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@wolverine08: you misrepresented my point by grossly over exaggerating, and falsely saying i said. Black Panther is nothing without his gear, I even clarified that I was referring to this battle, and you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge my clarification for no other reason that sustaining your pride. If you are going to try and say I am changing my position because you misunderstood me, then shame on you.

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@monsterstomp: I am pointing out that his gear was the reason people gave for his victory...

So? If that isn't a valid reason, I don't know what is.

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@wolverine08: you misrepresented my point by grossly over exaggerating, and falsely saying i said. Black Panther is nothing without his gear, I even clarified that I was referring to this battle, and you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge my clarification for no other reason that sustaining your pride. If you are going to try and say I am changing my position because you misunderstood me, then shame on you.

Like Monsterstomp said earlier, no one really gets your point because you simply refuse to make yourself clear and keep bouncing around points along with changing your positions. If I should feel shame for dropping a discussion with someone whose ability to converse and make their points known is so poor they have to resort to tactics like that, then I'll bear all the shame of the world.

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@wolverine08: the thing is, you do get my point but you insist that I am changing it when I am simply clarifying it. I could easily resort to saying you can't comprehend my points, doesn't get you anywhere except a slug fest.

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@monsterstomp: I'm not saying it isn't a valid reason, I pointed out that it was really the only advantage that people said allowed him to win. I seriously don't understand what you are trying to make my point to be.

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@wolverine08: the thing is, you do get my point but you insist that I am changing it when I am simply clarifying it. I could easily resort to saying you can't comprehend my points, doesn't get you anywhere except a slug fest.

No, I know you're simply changing points. You've been doing throughout the entirety of this thread. It's why myself, MonsterStomp, and Jashro44 have had problems understanding what you're getting at exactly. You're not talking to brick walls, it's just that you're grotesquely inconsistent.

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@cable_extreme: So basically, you were just sayin'? I'm cool with that. Maybe you should have made that point more clear so you didn't have to go on with this pointless discussion with 3 other people.

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@wolverine08: well if I have to explain my point step by step so you can understand, I will.

1) I said something along the lines that Black Panther needs his gear (armor + claws) to be effective. I clarified that what I was basically intending to say was Black Panther needs the gear advantage to win this battle, which I was referring to all of the votes that were supported by this argument. I was pointing out the general consensus of comicvine while making it in a pouty, fun like, statement.

2) I said that Black Panthers gear, near indestructible armor and claws that can cut through anything is a big advantage (only when you and Jash started trying to say Slade has stat advantage over people). Yall were trying to argue and press a point (Black Panther is capable without his armor) but I didn't mean Black Panther cannot do anything in general without his gear. I was referring ONLY about the outcome and the main reason behind why people voted for Panther (effective = winning agaisnt Slade in the voting process).

Now hopefully this will help you understand my point.

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I think both characters are known fairly and I did more research and I'm going with blackpanther

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@jdp180: #whatthefuckiswrongwithyoududes

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Slade Wilson is a beast no doubt, but after seeing what Black Panther did to Namor...sheesh.

Black Panther FTW...I mean i had him slated to win anyway but his new powers are kinda dope.

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The Black Panther would win, for the reasons many posters have already stated. I don't mean to make any waves being new here and all, but despite many attempted clarifications, Cable Extreme still seems to be implying that it is some kind of unfair matter that Panther wins "only because of his gear". That is not true-but even if it was, SO WHAT? As Wolverine08 pointed out, the poster apparently doesn't mind when having superior gear works out in Deathstroke's favor---so why even bring it up? That appears to be GROSS hypocrisy. I'm sure that in real life in the example of, say, Michael Jordan, most of his opponents thought it was "unfair" that his natural athletic abilities, plus his ceaseless dedication and unparalelled killer instinct made him nearly unbeatable; but in competition, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. The people on Thor's level think his hammer is "unfair", I'm sure; the people relatively even with Superman think his combat super-speed is "unfair"; and opponents around the Panther's level don't like his gear's advantages. But whether natural or technical, someone's going to have an advantage---THAT'S THE WAY A BATTLE IS WON.

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@theonewhoknows: I don't know if you read what I was saying or not, but I never claimed BP to have won this match, i was only referring to what most people contributed this win to (which was due to his gear). I still think Slade would win this. And welcome to the vine

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Thank you for your greeting, Cable Extreme---I always like when debates on sites like this can be kept (relatively, at least) civil. I did read all of what you have said, and I know that you did not concede the Panther would win. I was commenting on the fact that you seem to be dismissing, or at least downplaying a Panther victory as merely due to his gear; and having re-read many of the comments of the other posters I don't think most of THEM were saying he'll win strictly because of his gear EITHER. They merely seem to be pointing out that the ADDITIONAL advantage that Slade's gear normally gives him-in addition to his augemented PHYSICAL skills-is cancelled out by the Panther's superior suit and weapons. If the two combatants fought WITHOUT their gear, their powers are close enough for arguments to be made for either side. But since in every catagory of battle (speed, combat knowledge/feats, martial arts prowess, etc.) he stalemates or surpassses Slade, my money's on Panther. As they DO have their gear for this fight, a Panther victory is even MORE assured.

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@jashro44: My point is that it's not been proven that anti-metal (one of the dumbest contrivances ever) can do to Nth metal what it does to adamantium; the reason being that Nth metal has it's origins on Thanagar and not Earth. Therefore, it cannot be expected to have the same properties as an earth-derived metal. In fact, it has electromagnetic manipulation properties, as stated and shown in Hawkman's own series. Additionally, outside of comic fan's wet dreams, Panther and Slade will never meet, hence we'll never know for sure. As far as your second point-Slade has made a habit of dodging/tagging members of the Flash family. It truly doesn't matter how fast they were going, as they were employing super-speed, something Black Panther doesn't have at his disposal.

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Panther wins.Get over it

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@amratheking said:

@jashro44: My point is that it's not been proven that anti-metal (one of the dumbest contrivances ever) can do to Nth metal what it does to adamantium; the reason being that Nth metal has it's origins on Thanagar and not Earth. Therefore, it cannot be expected to have the same properties as an earth-derived metal. In fact, it has electromagnetic manipulation properties, as stated and shown in Hawkman's own series. Additionally, outside of comic fan's wet dreams, Panther and Slade will never meet, hence we'll never know for sure.

So? Can you even prove those properties make a difference? Can you show Nth metal armor resisting something like anit-metal? Can you show me anti-metal failing to break a metal similar to Nth metal? The claws are still making contact with Nth metal, so far deathstrokes armor hasn't shown to be any different from regular metal aside from enhancing his attributes further, and being more durable than other metals. Its not even 100% Nth metal. Theres no reason to assume that anti-metal wouldn't work. Vibranium isn't exactly an earth bound mineral either. It came from meteorite thousands of years ago.

Additionally black panther does not need his anti-metal claws to bypass the Nth metal armor. His energy daggers will work fine.

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As far as your second point-Slade has made a habit of dodging/tagging members of the Flash family. It truly doesn't matter how fast they were going, as they were employing super-speed, something Black Panther doesn't have at his disposal.

Everyones tagged the flash. Nightwings done it. Batmans done it. Manhunter Shaw has done it. Vandal Savage has done it. Captain cold and heat wave have done it. Flash gets tagged all the time by everyone. This is because he holds back against humans and doesn't apply his speed beyond the level they can react at. You can't actually prove his speed beyond "he was moving at a blur" which is something many street levellers have done, black panther included. You can maybe make a case for he was moving slightly over the speed of sound but so what? Street levellers react to bullets all the time so thats not much better either.

And also black panther WITHOUT the herb was considered peak human. He is enhanced/low level superhuman with the herb.