Should New 52 Aquaman develop Hydrokinesis?

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Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) 4 years, 10 months ago

Poll: Should New 52 Aquaman develop Hydrokinesis? (42 votes)

Yes , it would be awesome 62%
No , I like his power set the way it is 38%

Since The New 52 version of Aquaman is suppose to be bad*** and probably the strongest version of Aquaman we have seen , I think it would be awesome if he developed the ability to control water like his wife Mera. This could make his powerset more unique. His only powers connecting him to Atlantis is the ability to breathe underwater and communicate with fish. I think giving him Hydrokinesis would make his powers more Atlantean based. Plus he could do bad*** things like make water sharks.

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#1 Posted by jayc1324 (26432 posts) - - Show Bio

Not even sure what hydrohydrokinesis is but yes. I believe he should be basically unstoppable in the sea.

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#2 Edited by BlackWind (9792 posts) - - Show Bio

No. There is no point in this. It would honestly be generic, not unique. He doesn't need any"Atlantean" powers because hydrokinesis isn't an Atlantean ability. It isn't specific to them.

That's Mera's thing. And of you give it to Aquaman as well that would make her less unique in fights alongside him. Its good that she can do something he can't do. If everyone in a group shares the same powers then it gets boring, which is why I never enjoyed a fight scene with Lorena Aquagirl.

If Aquaman is to get any additional power ups, it should either be his TP being increased again, or something with his trident. And as a matter of fact, his current conflict with Chimera is the perfect chance to boost his TP somehow. Though I doubt it will happen.

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#3 Edited by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, the King of the "Sea" should be able to control it.

Giving him the ability shouldn't diminish Mera's use with good story telling.

I like him either way.

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#4 Posted by emad_ishtiaque (372 posts) - - Show Bio

That would be great. But I wonder how they would develop it. Magic hand, through the magic of the trident? etc etc.

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#5 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind Mera is not the only person In Atlantis who can control water. Kaldur and Garth can also control water. and when I stated that his powers would be unique , I was referring to his role on the Justice League. He shares super strength , speed , agility , durability with superman and wonder woman. He just so happens to have a trident and can communicate with sea life. So giving him hydrokinesis would make his power set on the team unique. And hydrokinesis can come from the trident if you have a problem with Aquaman being able to do it by himself.

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#6 Edited by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: When looking at the original 7 the telepathy thing is less to when taking into consideration MMH.

Water bearer all teh way. Unique power set and put him on par with his friends. Story already have it Xebels take Aquaman cut off his arm in a Atlantis vs Xebel type ting where he gets it.

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#7 Posted by Fallschirmjager (23432 posts) - - Show Bio

Pass.

*If* we're going to give him a new power, have a story line where his telepathy evolves and becomes more powerful back to Pre-52 levels or expand the Trident's powerset as they've continually hinted at.

Or let him carry the other Atlantean relics as Standard Gear, that would be badass.

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#8 Edited by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid Yes, I can't believe I forgot about MM too. He needs more " King of The Ocean " powers. Creating constructs out of water would be a cool upgrade. I think your idea about using the trident would probably work the best because the "magic" trident hasn't really done much magic in the New 52 yet..well besides stab people.

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#9 Posted by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: Was Fall's idea about the Trident but seeing it control the sea would be nice I think having the title King of the Seas should practically say you have control over it be like Thor bein the God of Thunder and having no control over it.

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#10 Edited by sacredweapons (2147 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

Not even sure what hydrohydrokinesis is but yes. I believe he should be basically unstoppable in the sea.

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#11 Posted by Superguy1591 (7539 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it takes away from Mera who is probably the best love interest of the current JL 7.

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#12 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@superguy1591 How would it take away from Mera when other atlanteans have been shown to have the same ability as well.

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#13 Posted by The_Judge_since_83 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

No, absolutely not, Aquaman is great the way he is, I would hate to see him develop hydrokinesis, or lose a hand, or any of the other things writers have tried in the past. Aquaman is doing better now than he has probably ever done in comic books, and that's with him being the classic Aquaman, no beard, no hook, no water hand, no anything else added. Keep the classic Aquaman I say.

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#14 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_judge_since_83 i didn't say anything about giving Aquaman a hook , a beard , or a water hand. In the New 52 they have been teasing that the trident has a magic power so why not have the trident control the water. And lol this is not classic Aquaman. He has been highly upgraded since the New 52 started , thats why he is doing great now. Classic Aquaman is super friends Aquaman and no one wants that Aquaman to come back.

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#15 Edited by Superguy1591 (7539 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: In their relationship, they often team up and fight together. If both have the same ability, it takes away from Mera in the team ups.

Let Mera be special.

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#16 Posted by Superguy1591 (7539 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_judge_since_83: I agree, I can't stand when they try to make Aquaman a "badass" by making him into a major tool. Bruce Timm's Aquaman was such a tool, I couldn't stand him. I seriously doubt he was a loved king.

Just make Aquaman the majestic being he's supposed to be and people will like him as I've come to like him. He's almost in my top 5.

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#17 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@superguy1591: Okae I can see what you mean about Mera n

Being special. I just think Aquaman needs an ability that sets him apart from his JL members. A power only he could possess

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#18 Posted by The_Judge_since_83 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: I'm not saying you said to give him a hook or any of the above things I mentioned, I've just seen and heard some say that so I was just giving a thorough explanation of my opinion. As for classic Aquaman being super friends material I'd go check again, in his first issue, More fun comics #73, he punches a hole into a submarine, as well as breaking chains in a very Superman esque fashion. Then of course the Justice League came around and they reduced what he could do to swimming and talking to fish because it was the thing that he could do that no other member could do, it was what made him special. Unfortunately that got out of hand for years and thanks to Superfriends got over publicized (not sure if I spelled that right). Even before the new 52 though he was back to being a heavy hitter, weather it was in the silver age where he was performing feats like breaking giant guns from their moorings or in more modern stories dragging giant sea cruisers through the water, punching holes in submarines again, physically rocking ships, holding up buildings or what have you. So while I see a lot of people claim he's been upgraded, I disagree, he's just getting more consistency at a power level which he's already displayed he could perform at.

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#19 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_judge_since_83: hmm you raise very good points. Lol i totally agree about the swimming and talking to fish getting out of hand . I also surprisingly agree with you on your consistency point. Pre 52 had badass moments ( like in Flashpoint when he went toe to toe with WW) but they weren't as consistent as they are now. Almost Every issue of Aquaman new 52 has him performing an amazing feat of power and strength. Hmmm I suppose you won this argument lol good job .you backed your point up with good facts , gets you a long way on comicvine where people constantly have disagreements.

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#20 Edited by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: You could still have Mera and Arthur fight side by side even if he had hydrokinesis the point in her becoming useless if he did is rather silly, good writing should be able to counter that.

Picture it as Aang and Katara, Aang has control of all 4 elements (Air,Water,Earth,Fire) yet still is in a team with characters who have individual attributes. If Aang and Katara fought solely using water bending she'd probably win because she has more experience using her water bending and she has done things like control or move plants with water in them and blood bend which I personally can't remember Aang doing either.

"Superguy" doesn't like Arthur you could see him in threads saying that Aquaman isn't suppose to be that strong and is a 30 tonner at best.

Isn't Diana's God Mode a "badass edition to the character"

In Flash comics originally their was no "speed force" and then that came along.

Eh also forgot about Cyborg with this ability to access all this tech I believe which was brought out in FE called "The Grid"?

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#21 Edited by BlackWind (9792 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: @knightfall225: Kaldur doesn't exist right now. And Garth is a child right now. I didn't say she was the only person in Atlantis who could do it. She is the only person in the current Aqua family who can and the only one who fights by his side in his book. Also considering Neruses had hydrokinesis, its likely a common ability in Xebel. In a flashback someone was training Mera and hit her with water(Probably her father), which lends further weight to this.

Also then water hand was so ridiculous. It was meant for healing, not fighting. When the Lady of the Lake disappeared, the rules of the hand did too. I don't see why Arthur needs a fake hand anyway. That's such a sloppy, unnecessary way of doing it.

Arthur is the king of the sea in the same way Tarzan is king of the jungle. He doesn't necessarily need to be shooting water out of his hands. However if he is to get any additional abilities, they should come from the trident itself. They've been messing around, implying it can do something but we haven't seen jack. Even from when Atlan took it.

This would just reek of "trying to make Aquaman cool" when it should be what it already is. A badass doesn't so badass things. They make their actions badass.

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#22 Edited by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind: Im not claiming Garth or Kaldur could do it so why can't Aquaman. Or that let's make Aquaman "cool" so give him this or that as a upgrade. I think that the excuse of Mera becoming useless because Aquaman gets the ability to manipulate water is ridiculous you a pretty poor writer if the extent of your writing lies on the abilities of the character. Like I said before Aang and Katara..

Then the point of Mera becoming useless sounds ridiculous when you compare Arthur to the other leaguers Martian Manhuter, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman. Who either have all Strength, Speed, Durability, others having super senses, one being more tactical.

The King of The Sea should be able to control simply as that he should be above all Atlanteans sub-Atlantean or not. All of that stuff lies in the Aquaman myth area.

Pre52 all xebellians had hydrokinesis it was shown in Brightest Day, Mera's was just superior.

http://fanboyfactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/hqdefault.jpg

Wouldn't be that much off character, since I believe Golden Age he was doing stuff like throwing water balls out of his hands.

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#23 Posted by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

@superguy1591: Okae I can see what you mean about Mera n

Being special. I just think Aquaman needs an ability that sets him apart from his JL members. A power only he could possess

Diplomatic immunity?

Look, the thing I'm seeing a lot of here, is that Hydrokinesis is to make his powers more unique.
How does that work when Green Lantern/Power Ring already do that with Light?

While I think a new power would be cool, I think AC is good to go already. The only thing I would add, despite a lot of offense to it, is a Water Hand. Mostly for the look, but I think it should serve as another symbol of Atlantean Kingship. (The Trident in the right hand, the power of the seven seas in the left.) Offer him a limited form of Hydrokinesis, as in using only the water in his hand (and give it a finite amount.) Not that he has to lose his hand, though. Just have the Trident turn his hand into water as the rightful King.

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#24 Posted by batsymyplaything (314 posts) - - Show Bio

A badass doesn't so badass things. They make their actions badass.

Like that one shot page of Arthur leveling his half-bro with one mighty punch and then taking his throne in grand style, "I'm your King, now!" Man, that was some finale to the Throne of Atlantis Arc.

@justthatkid: The thing about giving Arthur hydrokinesis, or water control is that it would require the writers to somehow connect him to the Xebel. Since, all the Xebel are connected to the water control powers, even Garth and Kaldur has some connection to the Xebel.

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#25 Posted by wbr17 (3516 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

Aquaman was more powerful pre-52.

He is already unique, he command sea life, swin, breath underwater, survive under high pressure, super senses, has a kngdom to back him, and a sort of wife with him. That's fine.

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#26 Edited by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@batsymyplaything: Garth isn't connected to Xebel. New52 wise Xebel is connected to Atlantis.

@ScouterV love the idea of the bearer being summoned I'd personally prefer he said a prayer or somethin to Posiedon to summon the waterbearer hand or something it just wore his gloves over the hand,

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/Aquaman_1.jpg

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#27 Posted by batsymyplaything (314 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: Mera's Twin sister might be Garth's mother. It was indicated in the Blackest Night arc in Green Lantern. I think New52 just expanded the story of Xebel, but they are still the outsiders or one of the outsiders out of 3 or 4 separated groups, when the Atlantis was sunk. It was talked about in the recent issues of Aquaman. I think the power is unique to the group and not associated to common ancestor, ancient Atlantean.

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@batsymyplaything: I'll have to check that out then cause I thought Garth was from Shayeris? Which mighta of been retconned. Makes Mera a bit old though if true since pre52 Garth was like Mid 20's and if his mother was Mera's twin sister she'd be like 40s at youngest. Then theirs Arthur and Garth who consider each other as brothers and Arthur's son once even calling Garth uncle. :/

New52 wise by the way there were atleast 7 main parts of the continent of Atlantis there could of been smaller areas around those with people. Xebel originated from one of the 7 but I believe they were all connected until Atlan sank Atlantis

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#29 Posted by batsymyplaything (314 posts) - - Show Bio

New52 wise by the way there were atleast 7 main parts of the continent of Atlantis there could of been smaller areas around those with people. Xebel originated from one of the 7 but I believe they were all connected until Atlan sank Atlantis

Yeah, forgot how many separate colonies were there. I mean, yes, they were all part of Atlantis before the sinking, but I think the unique powers of Xebel might have originated after the fall of Atlantis. Just as the Trench became what they became.

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#30 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18094 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: so....if several people in Atlantis can do it.....how would it be making Arthur's power set more unique?

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#31 Posted by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt: Unique power between the league members not the Atlanteans.

@batsymyplaything: Yeah I understand that they all change in thei own way it was brought out. I'm saying if Arthur is given hydrokinesis it doesn't automatically have to be connected to Xebel or even it was why by bring some old stuff from pre52 an incorporate what if their was a mystical location in Xebel which is a legend where the Lady of the Lake lives.

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#32 Posted by kgb725 (19550 posts) - - Show Bio

Hes called Aquaman not fish boy its only right he would be able to control water. What does the water even do for him ?

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#33 Edited by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@kgb725: Heal him which is great, personally think if it had a realistic function for him it should be heal the whole thing being stronger and faster at sea is a bit silly considering water pressure. Being Atlantean water should serve to heal them, but Aquaman's routes going further with connections to mystic and warrior Atlantis shown briefly and having a long lineage to royalty I think the royal line would be cool to see have perks other then being royalty like possibly which has possibly been shown to be stronger then the other Atlanteans.

Aquaman as the title I wouldn't mind if any future characters holding that name had water manip but I think the original "King of the Seas" should.

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#34 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt: unique in the Justice League. Think about it. All of Aquaman's abilities are already taken by the JL members. Super strength , durability , superhuman speed , and agility are already taken by superman and Wonderwoman. The only thing that sets him apart from them is that he swims fast and can breathe underwater . Martian Manhunter has telepathy so Aquaman's communication with fish is less unique when you think about it. Aquman doesn't have anything that sets him apart power wise. Superman's numerous powers like ice breathe , vortex breath , x Ray vision ,ect . Set him apart from his JL members. So does WW with her lasso of truth that forces people to tell the truth and her braclets that deflect about anything. Though Aquaman also has a weapon , his trident , it doesn't do anything besides stab people. The flash has the speed force and can warp time sometimes so that sets him apart .MM can shapeshift so that also sets him apart. But when you get to Aquaman the only thing he has is fish and trident. The tv show Superfriends put more attention on what set each member apart from the other and all Aquman had was communicating with fish and breathing under water.

And think about it . You said if Atlanteans possess hydrokinesis how would it make him unique right. Well we can all agree that Green Lantern has a unique powerset compared to his fellow JL members but if GL were to go into his space sector , there would be thousands of other green lanters in the corps with the same ability as him. Does that make his powers less unique compared to the other JL memebers? Nope.

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#35 Edited by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: Well put didnt even think about Green Lantern and the corps. Or Superman and the other Kryptonian character like Supergirl, Powergirl, Zod, Faora.

Lol Martian Manhunter can breathe underwater as well all he has to do is shapeshift himself some gills, New52 wise Cyborg has upgraded to stay underwater as well.

Wonder Woman's sword has shown to be just as capable of doing what Aquaman's trident can.

With the Waterbearer he could of atleast been the team healer imagine how often that comes into play he also has the ability to open portals and a increase sized of telepathy. Still giving Martian phasing, his several senses and vision powers, and Cyborg his tech side with being connected to everything electronic based

I like the idea of giving him Hydrokinesis but if they didnt I would not be upset I'm just waiting for a good reason for why he shouldn't have it.

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#36 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: I agree , I also just want a good reason why he shouldn't have it , besides the lame " it would make Mera less special " excuse . If that were true we would say the same things about the green lantern corps . When Hal Jordan and John Stewart team up , we don't think of one of them being less special . Also with Wonderwoman , she has the abilities and skills of a regular amazon , but since she is their leader she also possess skills and powers that the regular amazons cannot possess. But for some reason Aquaman doesn't possess all of the abilities of some regular Atlanteans. , even though he is their King.the only thing Aquman gets for being a leader is higher strength and speed levels . O and a "magic " trident . I'm not sure if I'm right but I think the Dead kings trident could freeze people . But for some reason Aquaman's trident does nothing

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#37 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18094 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: that's because they go through lengths to distinguish the ways different GLs use their powers. How would Aquaman utilize his powers differently from Mera.

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#38 Edited by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio
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Mera mainly used her powers to create animal water constructs though sometimes she creates vortexs with her power as well

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Kaldur used hydrokinesis to create swords and axes with water pressure . So I'm pretty sure Aquaman could find his own way to utilize the power.

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#39 Posted by CaptainMarvel4Ever (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

I say make it so the trident can make waves, that way Mera is still useful, but Aquaman still feels like a true king of the sea

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#41 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainmarvel4ever That could work as well because in the New 52 series they constantly call the trident magical but it never does anything magical but stab people.

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#42 Posted by TimeLordScience (1940 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman isn't all that useful on the League, despite the fact that Johns is writing it. So yes, I think he could use an amp of some kind. I'm ambivalent as to what that amp would be, TP, water hand, hydrokenesis, tech upgrades, or otherwise.

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#43 Edited by kgb725 (19550 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: Thats terrible I knew he got healed in water and was stronger in water not sure on that. But it makes sense for him to control water. His body should be faster in water because its made for it

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#44 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18094 posts) - - Show Bio
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#45 Posted by Knightfall225 (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt my bad.look at the post above it. well above CaptinMarvel4ever's post

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#46 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (18094 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: gotcha. I'd like to see him utilize his tridents supposed powers more often.

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#47 Edited by BlackWind (9792 posts) - - Show Bio

@knightfall225: @justthatkid: In regards to Garth and Kaldur I was talking to the OP. I can't quite since I'm on a phone. Sorry about the confusion. I also never mentioned anyone in the Justice League once.

Anyhow, Mera has always had hydrokinesis as part of her power set. It wouldn't make her "useless" it would make her less unique to give Aquaman a power she has always had and he hasn't. He has an ability she doesn't. She has an ability he doesn't. It balances them and doesn't toss the same powers around like other superhero families.

I do however agree with Knightfall225 in that Kaldur and Mera at least have different ways of using water. So I don't really when mind with them. Tempest even had his own unique mix of magic and hydrokinesis. I don't see why one more needs to be added.

Also only Xebel natives have shown hydrokinesis. It isn't an Atlantean exclusive ability. Also Atlan himself used ice, it had nothing to do with the Trident. Also AQ is currently the only Atlantean we have seen who has telepathy. Not even Atlan had that.

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#48 Posted by MadFacedKid (6596 posts) - - Show Bio

@timelordscience: I like his presence on the league but yeah most members have one of his abilities at a greater extent and its saddening cause he's a founder.

@blackwind: No worries mistook what you posted.

Honestly think Knigtfall had a point which was brought it about distonguishing the way there used. Arthur could simply use pure force with wave like he's shown pre52 with splitting them, using them to lift him and changing and more control with moving them even with his hand which could change density of his hand, Mera could have more control which changing the forms of waves making it appear in different shapes or even construct like, Garth has the ability to create those water tornado looking things to throw or ride and can heat and cool water, then Kaldur could use it in the way as making weapons and water whips and using it to carry bolts of electricity.

All being unique ways to use the Aquafamily power set then Tula could be more Atlantean skillful warrior with Atlantean tech, and Lorena could have the tp or something.

I'd personally like to see the Trident as more as a weather manipulation weapon. Earthquakes, Water Control, Winds, Lightning, Thunder.

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#49 Posted by myerlanski (2487 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel it is no question aquaman gets hydrokinisis...

What happens when Aquamans is by himself without Mera fighting ...I think Aquaman showing superior abilities over all of people just shows how Aquaman is supposed to be king he is.

He already exhibits higher strength, durability , land longevity, sea creature tp, swim speed,etc...why not let him access other water based abilities...and Atlantis magic...turn up lol

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#50 Edited by Raw_Material (3553 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, it only seems right. I mean maybe not as strong as Mera's hydrokenisis, knowing that is what makes them uniquely different and powerful in their own way.

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