Arthur Curry aka Aquaman Composite Respect Thread

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#101 Posted by Lvenger (36295 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: That's par the course for what Shaggy Man has been portrayed as. Either Shaggy Man or General Eiling in Shaggy Man's body has been beyond the League's physical ability to fight hand to hand and do lasting damage to and BFR is the only way they can get rid of him. Arthur lasting 4 consistent hits against Shaggy is still lucky for him. It's also likely he was knocked out because Shaggy hit him really really hard and exhausted Arthur's durability which is what happens when he faces a physically superior foe.

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#102 Edited by comicfan11 (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman had some great showings in the Shaggy Man two parter (and in JL, although the stories are not that good)

For starters the Shaggy Man is one of the physsically most powerful team busters in DC. Pre Flashpoint he was physically overpowering the big 7 JL easilly and even in New 52 he fought JLA on his own.

Aquaman showed great speed in this story with the underwater sonic booms and in the second issue the Altantean forces stated (again) how ridicilusly faster Aquaman is than anything else. But more importantly he followed Shaggy Man to Amnesty Bay from Atlantis in mere moments. And we know how far Atlantis is thanks to multiple maps published by DC showing DC Earth (most recently in Flashpoint). This coupled with one of his best speed feats in JL 5 , 2 weeks ago make it a great showcase of how fast AQ really is.

And then you have his durability and strength, going full rounds against Shaggy Man, who was impervious to physical harm for much of the fight and taking a lot punishment from the beast.

And finally Aquaman again showed he is one of the best tacticians in DC with the way he used the fleet and the way he dispatched Shaggy Man.

Also in JL 6, some great strength showings with the aircraft carrier and the subs. WW and AQ took over Earths oceans in an afternoon, which is hilarious.

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#103 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@ecstaticgrace: That's par the course for what Shaggy Man has been portrayed as. Either Shaggy Man or General Eiling in Shaggy Man's body has been beyond the League's physical ability to fight hand to hand and do lasting damage to and BFR is the only way they can get rid of him. Arthur lasting 4 consistent hits against Shaggy is still lucky for him. It's also likely he was knocked out because Shaggy hit him really really hard and exhausted Arthur's durability which is what happens when he faces a physically superior foe.

I don't think Eiling has ever been as durable as Shaggyman, keep in mind the reason typically why Shaggyman is so durable is because of his "Shaggy hair", the thing that Eiling got from Shaggy was strength and regeneration. Some durability but I don't think the utmost. Keep in mind Batman has batgrenaded Eiling's arm off.

Out of curiosity while your here can I get an opinion on another instance of Aquaman facing a physically superior foe.

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#104 Posted by Lvenger (36295 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: Shaggy hair has not been stated to be the source of Shaggy Man's durability to my knowledge. This is the first I've heard of it. The body Eiling used was literally another clone of Shaggy Man so there's no reason it wouldn't be similarly powerful as the others. A second Shaggy Man was created to stalemate the first one which it did so that strengthens the likelihood that all the Shaggy Men were similarly powered. Batman also had missiles which hurt Ultraman, he's the literal definition of plot armour. Eiling later shrugged off point blank heat vision from Superman and Orion's Astro Force which is way more powerful than a bat grenade

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#105 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@ecstaticgrace: Shaggy hair has not been stated to be the source of Shaggy Man's durability to my knowledge. This is the first I've heard of it. The body Eiling used was literally another clone of Shaggy Man so there's no reason it wouldn't be similarly powerful as the others. A second Shaggy Man was created to stalemate the first one which it did so that strengthens the likelihood that all the Shaggy Men were similarly powered. Batman also had missiles which hurt Ultraman, he's the literal definition of plot armour. Eiling later shrugged off point blank heat vision from Superman and Orion's Astro Force which is way more powerful than a bat grenade

Shaggyman's fur has the ability to conduit energy "Justice League Incarnations" and Nu52 "Justice League of America V3 #5" state this. In the prior they actually cut off the fur of the original Shaggyman in order to harm him and then the JL buried him on the moon. Meaning more likely than not Eiling got the clone body.

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Anyways out of curiosity can I get your opinion on another instance of a feat for Arthur?

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#106 Posted by Lvenger (36295 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: That's New 52 Shaggy Man who I hadn't read of till now. Secondly, that one looks like a cyborg whereas the Shaggy Man Arthur is fighting appears more organic as with all the other Shaggy Man clones. So it's pretty likely the Shaggy Man Aquaman is fighting is different from this one. Finally, it specifically says the hair shields him from energy attacks, not overall enhancing his durability so you weren't presenting that information up until now properly.

Fine what feat are you referring to?

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#107 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@ecstaticgrace: That's New 52 Shaggy Man who I hadn't read of till now. Secondly, that one looks like a cyborg whereas the Shaggy Man Arthur is fighting appears more organic as with all the other Shaggy Man clones. So it's pretty likely the Shaggy Man Aquaman is fighting is different from this one. Finally, it specifically says the hair shields him from energy attacks, not overall enhancing his durability so you weren't presenting that information up until now properly.

Fine what feat are you referring to?

Shielding him from anything would be durability, maybe not all around but still durability. JLA Incarnations is Pre-Flashpoint. On top of that it was referenced Pre-Crisis as well.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Shaggy_Man_(New_Earth)
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Shaggy_Man_(New_Earth)

I know this is a wikia but the site does a really good job to back up their info. Here's some stuff proving it

"Living Plastic Organism"

General Eiling on top of it all has never shown the ability to adapt to an attack unless there's something I missed. Whereas

Earlier in the comic Superman was dismembering Shaggyman with his blows after awhile all he could really do was keep Shaggy off balance
Earlier in the comic Superman was dismembering Shaggyman with his blows after awhile all he could really do was keep Shaggy off balance

Full Fight

It was referenced twice in the Aquaman arc that Shaggyman was a machine. Heck Pre-Crisis he was called synthetic as well. On top of that the New52 changed Shaggyman's creator from Zangarian to Ivo.

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Feat I was excited to show was a Post-Crisis one I've been doing a lot of backreading and came across that Aquaman took a Haymayker from a guy who floored Manhunter with a punch.

Tanks a Haymaker from Dreadnaught Note:Reference (Post-Crisis)

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#109 Posted by Farkam (11983 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: It would have been more impressive had it actually been his skin, and not apart of his armor.

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#110 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam: True, dialogue implies that Croc was talking about his skin though. But a better body area could of been chosen.

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#111 Edited by SoopahSoup (120 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: Honestly I had just assumed that Croc was able to bite through the armor but was stopped short when he tried to get past Aquaman's skin. It seemed implied at least with Croc of course commenting on his skin as well as (what seemed to be) Aquaman bleeding briefly.

**edit: At first I was kind of irked because the matchup seemed like a no brainer and I was surprised Croc even hurt AQ at all but given the context that Croc was able to snap Katana's blade, the feat seems much better now.

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#112 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@soopahsoup: Honestly Aquaman should stomp Croc, and I think the writer knew and was implying this by suggesting they met before and Aquaman didn't know he's beaten him before. Atleast what I got out of it.

Also yeah the bite thing bugged me, but then I did some research on Croc and I was pretty pleased.

If I'm not mistaken I also think Croc harmed Zod with a chomp in the SS title.

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#113 Posted by Lvenger (36295 posts) - - Show Bio

At least Aquaman didn't job to Croc, though him apparently not remembering meeting Croc before is squiffy continuity. I think Aquaman had another submarine slicing feat in the last issue of Aquaman.

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#114 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Yeah I was a bit worried when the writer I believe it was. Teased a bloody scene between Croc and Aquaman was to be shown in a fight between the two.

I'm hoping to the very least this was it.

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#115 Posted by comicfan11 (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace Yeah it was a good fight and a great issue overall IMO.

As for the Aquaman Croc fight I really liked it. Aquaman did not job and Croc came out as well as he could. Also the line "You can't outswimm me Croc." was a nice way of showing that AQ is indeed faster without spending extra panels on an event book with dozens of characters.

And yeah Croc broke through the armor (good feat for Croc) and broke his teeth on Aquaman (good feat for Aquaman and good writing by Williamson.

Now the interesting thing about the line of dialogue about Aquaman meeting Croc in Amnesty Bay and not remembering is that I believe it's a hint about Rebirth in general.

We haven't seen the meeting. Not in any comic book. What if the reason Aquaman does not remember is due to the missing time from the events of DC Rebirth #1?

I believe that the more heroes and villains (or antiheroes) interact the more pieces of the puzzle they will be able to piece together when they realise they remember different versions of events, and next year we will start seeing who is really behind the manipulation of the DC Multiverse.

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#116 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Any idea when the Rebirth Oneshot will be followed up in whole?

Really curious why no official date has been given for Rise of The Seven Seas or the Earth One books for Arthur and Barry.

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#117 Edited by comicfan11 (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: They have said in interviews that in tha latter half of 2017 we will really start seeing what is happening in the DCU, but I don't know if it will be a separate event book like Flashpoint, or different plot points in multiple books (like Mr. Oz in the Superman books).

As for the Rise of the Seven Seas, a couple of weeks ago Aquamanshrine tweeted that they asked a DC executive at some special event about Rot7S and the answer was a very enthusiastic "Yes". No other info, just confirmation. So it's happening, I'm guessing sometime in 2017, as close as possible to the Aquaman movie, which also has Ocean Master. They are always correct about those stuff.

As for the Earth 1 stuff, Manapaul gave an interview on December 6:

"Currently I’m writing and illustrating Trinity. After that the plan is to work on Aquaman Earth 1 which I’ll also be writing and illustrating"

So when Manapul stops doing the Trinity book, which will be easy to find out in the solicitations for coming months, that's a sign Aquaman Earth One start's being written. Manapul stops doing art for Trinity in March, but is still writing the book, so maybe around that time he starts working on Aquaman Earth One.

Plus keep an eye for Teen Titans, the second Aqualad (Black Manta's son) will debut and the story will be about him, called Rise of Aqualad. Maybe this story connects to Rise of the Seven Seas and he plays a role? Hopefully that will be the case.

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#118 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Appreciate the info, I've been following The Aquaman Shrine on twitter and seeing alot of this stuff. Just sad no official date has been given, with the exact day or even month to expect this stuff to premiere.

Really curious to what Manapaul will bring to Aquaman. Don't think he's ever written the character before? So I'm curious to how he'll interpret Arthur and his world for his origin.

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#119 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio
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#120 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: It's one of my favorites as well. As impractical as it is that Aquaman not take advantage of his army. I still do however prefer him taking out leagues of foes on his own, just to showcase his power.

But in regards to an army and overall Atlantis I like the buildup of supporting characters that Aquaman is provided with being a King. I'd love for a greater focus to be on different Atlanteans rather then just Aquaman and Mera all the time.

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#121 Posted by Rainshadow777 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: It's one of my favorites as well. As impractical as it is that Aquaman not take advantage of his army. I still do however prefer him taking out leagues of foes on his own, just to showcase his power.

But in regards to an army and overall Atlantis I like the buildup of supporting characters that Aquaman is provided with being a King. I'd love for a greater focus to be on different Atlanteans rather then just Aquaman and Mera all the time.

Me too. Part of my whole enjoyment of the Aquaman books is the Atlantean world, so the more exploration there is of that (and other underwater civilisations) the better. I would love to see more arcs focusing on a broader spectrum of Atlantis based characters.

Something like that would have been much more interesting than Dan Abnett's first three issues of political boredom and us versus them repetition.

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#122 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio
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#123 Posted by Lvenger (36295 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo's fight took place in the Pacific Ocean, not Pacifica and those fire trolls don't look the same as the ones in Aquaman. The ones in Aquaman are more rocky/magma whereas the other fire trolls are more fleshy and lava-y. That's not nearly good enough proof for Aquaman being more durable than Lobo.

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#124 Posted by MetalJimmor (6039 posts) - - Show Bio

The Main Man does love his dolphins. Gotta respect that.

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#125 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Pacifica is in the Pacific Ocean different dimension I believe. Could of honestly escaped from the portal. Hence the name. I guess you could argue appearance on them, but that could honestly be an artistic thing. Their still by name the same trolls.

It honestly comes off as DC trying to take more steps back to their classic days.

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http://comicvine.gamespot.com/fire-trolls/4060-58618/issues-cover/

1. Same name

2. Location is close enough for plausibility

3. Abilities the same.

The only contrast is appearance and this is between two different artist. One from the new52 and the Lobo one being from Rebirth something that's supposed to embrace DC's history.

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#126 Posted by Lvenger (36295 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: Orlando has a habit of making classic references in his comics so I can agree those fire trolls are the same as the ones from that classic Aquaman comic. However, I still don't think we can know for certain if they're exactly the same fire creatures that Aquaman faced in Pacifica. Orlando doesn't mention they're from Pacifica anyway so it's more likely they're a reference to old Aquaman characters rather than the trolls Aquaman had faced before. The only way to know for certain is if Orlando confirms they're the same fire trolls.

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#127 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio
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#128 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: First of all, would you please be kind enough to add me back to the PM, seems like i accidentally left, i didn't even notice. Secondly, i believe i didn't see this feat on the thread, but i might have missed it *pre FP

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#129 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: One of my favorite stories if not my favorite Aquaman story.

I renamed the link I had up, it's under the speed category. Underwater > Dodging Demon lightning.

Scans better that you posted. It shows Aquaman getting behind a demon, Dodging two electrical attacks at the same time, creating a waterspout, closing in on a demon one shotting while Dodging another electrical attack and knocking the demon out.

That's like underwater speedster stuff right there.

And sure thing. It would be a incomplete chat without your presence.

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#130 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: All of this is quicksilver levels of speed. The whirlpool that was done WHILE dodging lightning blasts. Simply awesome :D

And the story in general was really fun, i would love to see more of that.

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#131 Edited by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: I heard Sejic draws alot of folkloric/mythic stuff, and given Wan is the director of Aquaman I'm expecting to see a lot of lovecraftian elements in Aquaman's world in some form or another moving forward.

I love that about Arthur. He's a character with multiple story elements that work. Sci-fi, Magic, Myth, Horror, Politics, to name some stuff of the top of my head.

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#132 Posted by SoopahSoup (120 posts) - - Show Bio

man i remember reading that, definitely my favorite aquaman one-shot story. Wish we could see him and Etrigan team up again

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#133 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace:

I didn't see this one under striking. Could be mistaken yet again :D

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While it is true that Starbreaker was low on energy, that shouldn't affect his physical durability too much.

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#134 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: I'll be sure to add it. Appreciate it.

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#135 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio
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#136 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio
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#137 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: Question, should we add and use the amped trident showings from the current run or disregard them as it is being amped by Rath's overuse of magic?

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#138 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: they could be placed with a note next to them stating it's amped

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#139 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio
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#140 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio
Greatly resistant to magic
Greatly resistant to magic

@ecstaticgrace:

And that feat is without holding the amped trident.

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#141 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: in regards to the amps I hope he keeps them. But I doubt it and even then I doubt he'd be written as powerful as he is with them if he does keep them. Given he destroyed a barrier, I think the League wasnt able to destroy if I remember correctly as well as Mera with the entire force of the ocean.

In regards to being resistant to magic. Aquaman's always been that. I think Poseidon commented on that before and his Trident as well as his water hand had great resistance to the point I think it could of been stated as immunity to magic if deciding to resist.

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#142 Posted by Charan_ (1400 posts) - - Show Bio

Is the amp only to his trident? Arthur looks cool with glowing eyes and trident.

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#143 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: The water hand had the ability to nullify magic. However, this feat shows that Arthur himself, with no gear, is highly resistant to magic.

@charan_ said:

Is the amp only to his trident? Arthur looks cool with glowing eyes and trident.

It should be. The explanation was that the trident got amped because it is a magical artifact.

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#144 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecstaticgrace: We got a new comparison between Arthur and Diana in the newest Justice League issue.

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There might be hidden context, but his punch had a much more significant effect on Poseidon than Diana's

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#145 Posted by TheHercules (570 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Sorry for tag, but there are some post-crisis comic that was kept in the post-flashpoint counterpart, or they are really different versions? (He doesn't having the great telepathy of the past, could it explain he not being the same?)

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#146 Posted by Chimeroid (9183 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Sorry for tag, but there are some post-crisis comic that was kept in the post-flashpoint counterpart, or they are really different versions? (He doesn't having the great telepathy of the past, could it explain he not being the same?)

not a problem. UNfortunately, the Post crisis continuity is completely erased as far as Arthur goes.

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