The "Can Adamantium be Broken/Destroyed" Thread

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#1 Posted by DeadCosmos (74 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe marvel says adamantium cannot be destroyed, but I believe there must be someway, because adamantium is "VIRTUALLY" indestructible, it can be destroyed.

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#2 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (17875 posts) - - Show Bio

adamantium can be destroyed.

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#3 Posted by Dracade102 (8452 posts) - - Show Bio

There must be some force in the universe that could break it. It has to break.

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#4 Posted by Enzeru--defunct (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

The serpent recently destroyed Captain America's shield by sheer strenght. I'm seeing him for example also being able to do something nasty to Adamantium.
Magneto manhandled the Adamantium more then once aswell.
 
But a straight answer would be ...
The One Above All could turn Wolverine's Adamantium-claws into flowers, or even simply break it them :-7

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#5 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (17875 posts) - - Show Bio

anti-metal also works. Hulk also damaged Ultron during Secret Wars

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#6 Posted by ReVamp (23015 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder level's can.

People like Thor and Hulk can't.

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#7 Posted by Joeybagad0nutz (1416 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReVamp said:

Beyonder level's can.

People like Thor and Hulk can't.


If I remember correctly, they have dented it. And I think that is canon.
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#8 Posted by SC (17757 posts) - - Show Bio

Anything and everything can be broken. In fiction, its even easier to. 

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#9 Posted by PikminMania (4770 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joeybagad0nutz: @ReVamp: @Dracade102:

Superman's skin can break it, or Silver Surfers.

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#10 Posted by SurelockeHomes (2197 posts) - - Show Bio

It could easily be done if the writers wanted to. Plus, with all the powerful beings out there, there definitely has to be one who can break/bend it. Was it the humans who first said it was indestructible? Because they could in theory destroy it and say it was a misthought or ccalculation on the humans' part. Kind of like how Thor Dented Captain America's shield and it recently got broken, when it was previously thought to be impenetrable.

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#11 Posted by ReVamp (23015 posts) - - Show Bio

@PikminMania said:

@Joeybagad0nutz: @ReVamp: @Dracade102:

Superman's skin can break it, or Silver Surfers.

Superman isn't in this continuity, so its best not to bring him into the scene. Secondly the skin itself won't break it, it has more to do with the force applies in combination with said skin. I don't think silver surfer can break it either way. Galactus probably could.

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#12 Posted by PikminMania (4770 posts) - - Show Bio

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#13 Edited by ReVamp (23015 posts) - - Show Bio

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I stand very corrected.

EDIT: Nevermind, I do not. I just noticed that wasn't 616 Wolverine, which changes A LOT of things. In the Ultimate Universe for example, the Hulk can break Adamantium (albeit in small quantities) and the Hulk in the Ultimate universe is arguably weaker than his 616 version.

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#14 Posted by SurelockeHomes (2197 posts) - - Show Bio
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I stand very corrected.

EDIT: Nevermind, I do not. I just noticed that wasn't 616 Wolverine, which changes A LOT of things. In the Ultimate Universe for example, the Hulk can break Adamantium (albeit in small quantities) and the Hulk in the Ultimate universe is arguably weaker than his 616 version.

There's also that that is zombie Wolverine. I'm not completely sure because I can't see the dialogue and the rest of the pictures are small, but to me it looks more like his skin giving way, not the adamantium breaking.
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#15 Posted by PikminMania (4770 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp: @SurelockeHomes: The zombie universe is supposed to be exactly like the 616 one, except there are zombies. If it was just his skin then wouldn't Wolverine still be able to move his arm?

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#16 Edited by SurelockeHomes (2197 posts) - - Show Bio
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Well, the decaying of his dead skin could have something to do with it if it was his skin giving way, but again, I can't completely make out the rest of the pictures or dialogue. He shouldn't be able to move it if his muscles or ligaments are torn along with the skin.
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#17 Posted by ReVamp (23015 posts) - - Show Bio

@PikminMania said:

@ReVamp: @SurelockeHomes: The zombie universe is supposed to be exactly like the 616 one, except there are zombies. If it was just his skin then wouldn't Wolverine still be able to move his arm?

Not really, if there are zombies its not the same, LOL, so you can't really claim that everything is absolutely the same. A lot of worlds are similar, or nearly the same, but end up having the odd difference or two on top of the big difference (which in this case would be zombies)

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#18 Posted by SC (17757 posts) - - Show Bio
@PikminMania said:

@ReVamp: @SurelockeHomes: The zombie universe is supposed to be exactly like the 616 one, except there are zombies. If it was just his skin then wouldn't Wolverine still be able to move his arm?

 
Financially Marvel could wish it to be as successful as Marvel 616, but they know it won't, and since this is fiction, and laws of reality are at creators wishes, therefore Zombie Universe, is actually suppose to be a lot, hugely, different to be 616, because the most, important thing as far as laws of reality that govern 616 Universes to others, are those that apply in real life creatively, not within the narrative consistency.  Lest that's just my understanding of it. 
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#19 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (45774 posts) - - Show Bio
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it can in the UU

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#20 Posted by exhyni9 (250 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#21 Posted by Timandm (3393 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that Magneto can easily rip it from Wolverine's body tells us that, at the very least, a strong enough magnetic field can rend it... The magnetic field would exert a force on it through the electrons, but it is still a 'force.' That should be enough to suggest that it is possible...

Also, as Enzuru mentioned, the Serpent broke Captain America's shield with his bare hands. Now, the shield is not pure Adamantium, but it's an adamantium / vibranium alloy so it's still nigh indestructible. I think that suggests that it's possible to break adamantium with a strong enough force.

When it comes down to it, it's matter... it has mass and occupies a volume. It is made of atoms. ALL matter can be broken down... In fact, the universe is supposed to collapse back in on itself one day... Can you imagine what would happen if the Adamantium didn't cooperate with the rest of the universe?

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#22 Posted by JediXMan (41956 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joeybagad0nutz said:
@ReVamp said:

Beyonder level's can.

People like Thor and Hulk can't.

If I remember correctly, they have dented it. And I think that is canon.
To my knowledge, Thor only dented Cap's shield when he was Rune King Thor.
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#23 Posted by SC (17757 posts) - - Show Bio

Normal powered Thor has dented a can of it way way back in Avengers. He hit it as hard as he could and was surprised he barely dented it (which is still denting it) that being said like all fiction and all characters own account, these things are inherently flawed and inconsistent usually as soon as a new panel issue, writer takes over.  

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#24 Posted by ReVamp (23015 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC said:

@PikminMania said:

@ReVamp: @SurelockeHomes: The zombie universe is supposed to be exactly like the 616 one, except there are zombies. If it was just his skin then wouldn't Wolverine still be able to move his arm?

Financially Marvel could wish it to be as successful as Marvel 616, but they know it won't, and since this is fiction, and laws of reality are at creators wishes, therefore Zombie Universe, is actually suppose to be a lot, hugely, different to be 616, because the most, important thing as far as laws of reality that govern 616 Universes to others, are those that apply in real life creatively, not within the narrative consistency. Lest that's just my understanding of it.

*BOOM*

That was the sound of heads exploding. :P

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#25 Posted by cyberninja (10669 posts) - - Show Bio

Matter Eater Lad +  adamantium= nom nom nom 

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#26 Posted by Primmaster64 (21668 posts) - - Show Bio

Galactus

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#27 Posted by BatteredArmor (6234 posts) - - Show Bio

pretty sure it melts

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#28 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38932 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
@Joeybagad0nutz said:
@ReVamp said:

Beyonder level's can.

People like Thor and Hulk can't.

If I remember correctly, they have dented it. And I think that is canon.
To my knowledge, Thor only dented Cap's shield when he was Rune King Thor.
It was King Thor, not Rune King Thor.
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#29 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

If Cap's shield can be broken, then adamantium can be, too.

Captain America's broken shield.
Captain America's broken shield.
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#30 Posted by Enzeru--defunct (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

In a What If? Cyclops also managed to shoot Wolverines hand away and lost one of his eyes during the process :-7

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#31 Posted by cliffrice (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

IN guardians of the Galexcy there was a metal harder than adamantium that could shoot through it. Called dragonite or something like that.

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#32 Posted by Nateron2 (32 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk can.... and Bump.

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#33 Posted by nappystr8 (1548 posts) - - Show Bio

I was just reading an old 90's Guardians of the Galaxy comic earlier this week where this came up. Vance Astro's suit was made of adamantium, but he got shot from a bullet of some other more powerful metal that ripped right through it. The name of the metal didn't sound familiar, so I don't think it exists in the current Marvel Universe, but rather is something that will be invented sometime before the 30th century. Even then, this other metal must be somewhat uncommon, as the Guardians seemed very surprised that Astro's suit was penetrated.

But I'm sure there are other things that do currently exist that also would break it.

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#34 Posted by youmessinwithme (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@nappystr8:

The metal is called Dragonite, I heard that it is even stronger than cap's shield But idk if there is truth to that.

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#35 Edited by Lucia_Aurelius (307 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Wolverine stab himself through the skull with his own adamantium claws?

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#36 Posted by Joey_Destroyer_of_Worlds (3392 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Wolverine stab himself through the skull with his own adamantium claws?

I believe so. Hence this.

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#38 Posted by GoldKing (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

If Cap's shield can be broken, then adamantium can be, too.

Captain America's broken shield.
Captain America's broken shield.

That's PIS if 616. It shoulda never happened.

All forms of Adamantium to have ever been bent, broken, dented, warped, or otherwise have been retconned to be Secondary Adamantium. True Adamantium is indestructible.

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#39 Posted by BurningMartian (884 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator snapped one of Wolverine's claws IIRC.

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#40 Edited by Outside_85 (23084 posts) - - Show Bio

@goldking: Not when you are a skyfather level being:

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Note on the SS scan: Yeah, thats Logans adamatium bones being seperated from his flesh and the claws falling out of their sockets.

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#41 Edited by RisingBean (9710 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on Adamantium's showings and the energy aura shown, I'd chalk it up to skyfather magi-hax more then brute power.

In the time's Captain America's proto-Adamantium (it's not even technically Adamantium) has been broken, there is context.

The best bet for breaking it is with molecular rearrangement. (such as Ultron's equipment or Magneto's powers) One can also hope for secondary Adamantium or bad writing.

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@goldking: Not when you are a skyfather level being:

Note on the SS scan: Yeah, thats Logans adamatium bones being seperated from his flesh and the claws falling out of their sockets.

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#42 Posted by GoldKing (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85:

Yeah, but it'd be so much cooler if, imagine a Skyfather level being grabs a hold of the shield, tries with all his might to snap it, and nothing happens. He can't. Would be awesome.

But it's true.... all forms of Adamantium to have ever been broken, destroyed, or whatever were retconned to be Secondary.

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#43 Edited by GoldKing (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, I must comment.... after reading through this site for several years, judging by the comments most people make, you'd think Adamantium wasn't much stronger than a piece of toilet paper. Unbelievable.

It's one of the strongest and most durable substances to ever exist. Literally, post-retcon, it's back to being invulnerable. Let me put it into perspective, and this is going to be controversial.......World Breaker Hulk at max rage would be powerless to do anything to it. Let that sink in.

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#44 Edited by whoisthebest (2249 posts) - - Show Bio

@goldking said:

Lol, I must comment.... after reading through this site for several years, judging by the comments most people make, you'd think Adamantium wasn't much stronger than a piece of toilet paper. Unbelievable.

It's one of the strongest and most durable substances to ever exist. Literally, post-retcon, it's back to being invulnerable. Let me put it into perspective, and this is going to be controversial.......World Breaker Hulk at max rage would be powerless to do anything to it. Let that sink in.

It's stated to be the most durable substance on Marvel EARTH, NOT in the universe by any means. World breaker hulk at max rage would tear apart adamantium like butter considering it gets dented by melee strikes from standard hulk and considering it has never tanked anything close to a planet busting attack.

Adamantium hasn't shown planetary durability at this point, the fact that normal powered Hulk and Thor have been capable of denting it, means that 1. If they had 5 minutes to repeatedly hit it they could likely break it and 2. Higher levels of both of these guys would likely easily break it.

Also your statement of "But it's true.... all forms of Adamantium to have ever been broken, destroyed, or whatever were retconned to be Secondary." is incorrect. ONLY instances of it being BROKEN using PHYSICAL force were retconned to secondary. Which were things like thor and hulk tearing through adamantium, things of that sort.

"All forms of Adamantium to have ever been bent, broken, dented, warped, or otherwise have been retconned to be Secondary Adamantium. True Adamantium is indestructible."

Is quite simply, incorrect. True adamantium is VIRTUALLY indestructible not indestructible by any means. ONLY adamantium that was destroyed and ONLY destroyed by physical force, was retconned. Thor and Hulk denting adamantium were NOT retconned, especially because they tear through secondary adamantium like it's nothing.

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#45 Edited by BrockTheRock (270 posts) - - Show Bio

Adamantium is indestructible, sometimes you will see Hulk or Thor dent it, but they won't be able to say, rip in half or anything...

The one comic where Hulk throws the "adamantium" statue and does some good damage to it is very clear PiS.

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