@avenging_x_bolt:

Yeah, were there any swastikas though? Was there anything properly portraying the atrocities of that brutal war? No? Because unter pg-13 sensitive crapfest overload? Yeah, almost like I said.

X's had Erik forcefully separated from his family by the Nazi scum right there at the Auschwitz gates as they were clearly "branded" by the "yellow badges".

What can I say, if you don't see the difference in the tone and impact, I cannot help.

@adamtrmm: all I did was point out that hydra were Nazis. I said nothing about the tones of the film. But thanks to jumping to that conclusion.

no no.

As i have stated before, no they should not. Neither franchise has anything significant to gain from a merger. The only reak benefit would be Marvel treating the X-Men better in the comics.

i know the xmen are much truer to the source material...especially when you count storm who as a leader of the x men has a major role in the movies...wait never mind. i sure remember how mystique was a pivotal part and founding member of the xmen in the comics....wait never mind. well, at least the xmen didn't have people who had no motivation to hate humans join an evil mutant and slaughter thousands of people, wait the xmen did do that. however, the xmen is much grittier than the avengers. if the xmen had murdered civillians and destroyed cities like the avengers, they would face consequences. the xmen would never cover up someone murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents. the xmen would never have characters like quicksilver, scott, and nightcrawler (who was in a michael jackson jacket no less) making jokes throughout the movie. it's much too dark for that. nothing says gritty like nightcrawler in a thriller jacket. they set that gritty tone with that wardrobe choice.

@christianrapper: The X-men franchise is not a perpetual thing like Batman or Superman though. It is fluid and often has different characters in different roles and even its own continuity is often retconned in spite of itself.

There has been points in time in the X-Men comics when Storm has had a lesser role or has not even been on the team. For instance, if you were just reading X-Men (Blue Strike Force), Storm was an afterthought. Even in all of the X-Men animated shows which, lets be honest here, is the representation of X-Men that most people digest, Storm is always a more secondary or third character. If you wan to compare things the Wasp has a been a pretty important character in the Avengers history (even lead the team several times) and has yet to appear in a Marvel film outside of a cameo.

I sure remember how Black Widow, Hawkeye, Captain America and SHIELD were pivotal to the founding of the Avengers.....wait, they weren't. Anyways, my point is nothing is accurate in any of these films. The X-Mens history has been retconned to feature several characters meeting Xavier before he starts the X-Men (Magneto, Amelia Vought, Wolverine, Sabertooth, Sage) and in the case of Second Genesis, characters like Vulcan and Darwin were X-Men before Wolverine and Storm.

Colossus joined the Acolytes and Magneto then caused a global EMP that killed millions of people....so, something like that did happen actually.

For Wolverine vs Hulk and AvX, I'd want the merge to happen. HOWEVER, since the current Xmen movies are pretty damn good, I say let them run their course first.

also, what the heck is going on. it's been 30 years since first class right? these guys are exactly the same age. we should be having the old magneto and xavier, now. this crap about xmen being grittier or more realistic than the mcu is just false. their timeline is just totally screwed. all these characters should be pushing middle age.

It's been 20 years, and people did age. Mystique didn't because she can change shapes. It don't matter how old she is. In the comics she is over 100. We can also assume that the drug that Beast takes makes him look younger.

In comparison here is Hugh Jackman in 1999

And in 2016

20 years isn't really a huge difference.

Well considering the previous contexts I might've look at it accordingly. Peace then! lol

Just for the record, I never claimed they were out of comic adaptations, I mainly pointed out the "tone". But I'll bait anyway:

If you ask me, Storm's leadership was only essential for specific eras in the comic. Besides, didn't she take the lead in the Last Stand? Just because this movie sucked, doesn't mean it didn't happen. My turn: tell me, how were the actual original Avengers Wasp and Ant-Man (Janet and Hank) rocking in the Avengers movie or at least MCU in general?

i sure remember how mystique was a pivotal part and founding member of the xmen in the comics...

You know I just toot a look on the first Avengers issues, and know what, couldn't find any Nick Fury and SHIELD there be the actual brains behind the Avengers concept. So, governmental lackeys from they one? "Canon"!

well, at least the xmen didn't have people who had no motivation to hate humans join an evil mutant and slaughter thousands of people, wait the xmen did do that. however, the xmen is much grittier than the avengers.

Not sure how's it relevant to motivations, by I guess the main argument was still villain motivation right? Oh man you didn't do that to yourself. I don't even think I need to ridicule PATHETIC MCU villain gallery. It's just universally known. And I hate to use that in the argument, it truly is.

if the xmen had murdered civillians and destroyed cities like the avengers, they would face consequences.the xmen would never cover up someone murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents.

Wait a sec, maybe I'm slow this morning, but I can't see relation between those two sentences.

the xmen would never have characters like quicksilver, scott, and nightcrawler (who was in a michael jackson jacket no less) making jokes throughout the movie. it's much too dark for that. nothing says gritty like nightcrawler in a thriller jacket. they set that gritty tone with that wardrobe choice.

That's the point, even when they mess around, they know when to stop as stakes are raised, did QS made any joke when his leg was broken? No. And you felt that he was threatened. In MCU, they would probably mess up even then, because this universe has no stakes and everyone is safe.

All that said, Civil War was the step in the right direction, the messups were hilarious, admittedly, even though I'd tone them down, because, once again, the stakes. But this time they weren't shy to kill off fodder for the very least.

@adamtrmm: yeah, looming back you pretty much had every reason to think I was. I apologize for getting tweaked about that. I need to work on it.

I get a little defensive about the mcu admittedly but I can definitely admit some the faults you pointed out (like the Rogues)