''Stop sending me pms!'' your words not mine, you should have stayed their instead your a total a$$ about it and regardless you are here now and the guy triedto exsplain it to you and yo rip on him and make him feel so bad he left and even after that he stuck up for you.
''Stop sending me pms!'' your words not mine, you should have stayed their instead your a total a$$ about it and regardless you are here now and the guy triedto exsplain it to you and yo rip on him and make him feel so bad he left and even after that he stuck up for you. "
You don't know what he was sending so shut up Instigator
''Stop sending me pms!'' your words not mine, you should have stayed their instead your a total a$$ about it and regardless you are here now and the guy triedto exsplain it to you and yo rip on him and make him feel so bad he left and even after that he stuck up for you. "
You don't know what he was sending so shut up Instigator "
I finad it funny you say that when your the one who put him on blast and said he needed help don't be a hypocrite the only reason I am not saying anything more harsh is because he asked me to not make you look like the bad guy and unless he was sending rude,threatening or sexual pms then its irrelivent to what you are saying.
''Stop sending me pms!'' your words not mine, you should have stayed their instead your a total a$$ about it and regardless you are here now and the guy triedto exsplain it to you and yo rip on him and make him feel so bad he left and even after that he stuck up for you. "
You don't know what he was sending so shut up Instigator "
I finad it funny you say that when your the one who put him on blast and said he needed help don't be a hypocrite the only reason I am not saying anything more harsh is because he asked me to not make you look like the bad guy and unless he was sending rude,threatening or sexual pms then its irrelivent to what you are saying. "
I'm getting the feeling that you are him Just a different account
''Stop sending me pms!'' your words not mine, you should have stayed their instead your a total a$$ about it and regardless you are here now and the guy triedto exsplain it to you and yo rip on him and make him feel so bad he left and even after that he stuck up for you. "
You don't know what he was sending so shut up Instigator "
I finad it funny you say that when your the one who put him on blast and said he needed help don't be a hypocrite the only reason I am not saying anything more harsh is because he asked me to not make you look like the bad guy and unless he was sending rude,threatening or sexual pms then its irrelivent to what you are saying. "
I'm getting the feeling that you are him Just a different account "
Hmm I must question your credibility, and I.Q. look at my profile I have been on this site longer then both of you we have different friends and as you see we type differently and I am not saying I am sorry you do realize if he wanted to call you out you would be the instigator, you were overeacting to a simple joke and I hate when people on the vine get a fiit over nothing so with that said welcome to comicvine you keep that additude up and you will be used to getting lectured like this. And the funny thing is compared to a bunch of others on this site I am being very kind right now.
"@Tradog: I must be lucky then. I've only spoken to the kind ones so far (or at least they're kind to me) "
I meant they are not if you act like a jerk and don't know what you're talking about but you are a smart guy so i'm sure it does not happen to you but when I was being a jerk vance astro put me in my place along with johnny nemises and eric I am just telling her not everyone will be so tollerable.
"@Tradog: I must be lucky then. I've only spoken to the kind ones so far (or at least they're kind to me) "
I meant they are not if you act like a jerk and don't know what you're talking about but you are a smart guy so i'm sure it does not happen to you but when I was being a jerk vance astro put me in my place along with johnny nemises and eric I am just telling her not everyone will be so tollerable. "
You take this too seriously! It's just a comic website!!
"@Tradog: I must be lucky then. I've only spoken to the kind ones so far (or at least they're kind to me) "
I meant they are not if you act like a jerk and don't know what you're talking about but you are a smart guy so i'm sure it does not happen to you but when I was being a jerk vance astro put me in my place along with johnny nemises and eric I am just telling her not everyone will be so tollerable. "
You take this too seriously! It's just a comic website!! "
Yes but we are not talking about comics we are talking about your additude and making this a place uncomfartable for users if you have a bad additude on any site you get lectures and on any site beinng a idiot gets you called out now you are just trying to turn this around you were being a jerk I called you out all you need to do is be more respectful in the future im not a mod so I shall not tell you to apologize or be friends with him but I am giving you a warning you will get lectured.
"@Tradog: It hasn't yet. Me and Morpheus have had a debate or two about some characters, but that's about it. Oh wait, there was this one guy who was trying to put me in my place but it was that troll a couple of nights ago. Were you on for that? "
@Tradog: Oh, there was this troll (superman_is_god or something) who was appearing on boards about Superman and stuff and declaring Superman to have created the world and all this stuff... he got banned and came back with a second account, which I think was banned too.
" I feel like leaving this site forever but i WONT cause that's gonna make you happy ;) "
No I be sad that one man made you plus I will feel like the bad guy. I am just saying what you did was not needed I would have stuck up for you had you been in the same situation.
don't worry laurax23 this will be the LAST time i post here and any of your forums and i'm hoping you read this..............this was pms message i sent to tradog
to tradog: i really appericate you defending me but she is right we were pmsing and i tried to be funny and scarastic (so now i know my sacrscam sucks) by saying "my name is danny but you can call me big poppa..........lol just kidding" like that and saying scarastically that she hates x23 but i know by her avatar and name she's a huge fan of x23 but i'm guessing she took it to offense. but she has every right to be mad at me and i'm hoping she reads the reason why i kept saying sorry and kept pmsing her aoplogies messages and such and hoping she forgives me............... the last time i swear......... i'm sorry lauraX23 i promise i'll leave you alone and i'm on my meds right now so i can guartunee you that promise and enjoy comicvine it's really fun
P.S. sorry my spelling sucks english was second lanuage. and i'm only 15 just in case if you think i'm some creppy old guy which i'm not i have pic to prove it also i'm not expecting you to forgive me quickly.. anyway enjoy comicvine :) and peace out
" I think Logan cares about other people more than her "
no totally not true "
agreed, and sort of no. currently she is one of his major proprieties as far as people to care about. for me eitherway, Steve Rogers. if Steve cares about your welfare, screw what anyone else thinks. even in real life, what matters is that persons who do care about you have genuine care for you, rather than a ton of people who just sound off as if they do.
off topic but just on the X-23 is great train, a few skins i did for FFVTR awhile back.
Well I think Jullian Keller does like as more than a friend and Logan sort of sees her as his daughter. Its not Laura's fault she messed up she has went through a lot of bad stuff over the years.
Logan doesn't give a SH*T about Laura, all he does is yell at her and tell her to shut up. He followed freaking DAKEN like a psycho and cried all daddy-like because of him, but a troubled, deeply hurt girl who loves him and depends on him and needs him - NO, she's too creepy for him to say a single nice word once in a while. She joins X-Force to be near him - he tells her "Whatever, it's your life, pff...", she tries to give him an advise that could SAVE his life and plenty of time and blood - he tells her to shut it. So don't tell me he cares. He cares more about f*cking dead Kitty Pryde. Laura is a child, she is in stress, she cuts herself, she is emotionally ill, she needs someone she can relate to, he was also a victim of Weapon X program, he'd seen hell, but he doesn't give a crap, he doesn't even talk to her.
You know who MIGHT care? Mercury. She was seen with Laura in their free time, she has seen what Facility does to people, she always tries to talk to Laura and Laura becomes a human with her. And also - Dust (but she is kinda bitchy after Young X-Men) and Elixir (they're two kinds in X-Force, they're not respected enough and they're both lonely, plus he saved her two times already, I think he didn't gibe a damn about her in the past, but now there is something. Julian? I don't know... I'D LOVE to see them as a couple, but why weren't they ever shown together after Messiah Complex? She visited Greymalkin Industries, so why not talk to her or something...
@ Vallary Dude that's what i'm saying! :) and i dislike Logan!! that lil prick he just jeaouls cause she's hot he wished he had been born like her :) I wanna see Josh and Lara togoether! And LUARA SHOULD JOIN THE BROTHERHOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
@Vallary: That was when she just allowed Rahne to get injured and didn't care if she died. Logan was yelling at her because he cares about her. He doesn't want her to to become a killing machine, he want's her to be a regular person and be able to coexist with others without thinking about the several thousand ways she could kill them. He wants her to be able to care about other people in a functional way.
" @ Vallary Dude that's what i'm saying! :) and i dislike Logan!! that lil prick he just jeaouls cause she's hot he wished he had been born like her :) I wanna see Josh and Lara togoether! And LUARA SHOULD JOIN THE BROTHERHOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) "
Why should she join the brotherhood? Also when Logan tells her she's not important he's also trying to show her that as long as she stay's on the path to kill kill and kill she wont be important, he includes himself in that category as well if you remember. If she invest the time into being a person she will be important. But right now she's just a killer.
@Vallery Logan tells her "whatever it's your life" after he tells her and Jimmy to not go down the path and become killers and neither of them say anything because they don't care that he's trying to prevent them from becoming what he is.
@ Vortex13 Cause the X-men don't care for her they don't five a fuk about her! They're just using her. She supposedly went there to have a "normal life" but it turned worse! BROTHERHOOD FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!
Logan does care. He's just angry, that she is ruining her life with X-force. He's being the typical angry father-type figure. Otherwise he never would have begged her back to the mansion in NXM.
I can't figure out though why (if that's the angle they were going for) they didn't show more interaction between the characters. Maybe the writers were afraid of making it the Wolverine & X-23 show, and that they'd get lots of s*&@ about the clone stuff.
@Vortex13: I can see what you mean, but I'm still sure Logan could care less. You go ahead and tell your best friend in the whole world (or your brother or your father) that you, you know, are planning to go kill hundreds of bastards all over the world, slice them and burn them. Let's see if they, like Logan, totally appreciate it after a short speech. They won't. They would drag you and lock you in a room and yell they're brains out on you if they should. So no, I don't think Logan did what he could. He could force her to stay away, at least he could try. Prick just said something to put his consciousness to rest. It's off course my personal opinion.
k2 Well, the story about him begging her to go back is very sweet, I remember becoming much hope for their relationship after it, but it's old news now. It's like saying that Cyclops doesn't love Emma Frost after re-reading old school comics about him and Jean. It's ignoring of new, actual facts. As bad as it is and as much as we hate it, Logan, at least in the meanwhile, is not her father, brother or friend. Sara Kinney is her parent. Mercury is her friend. Megan is her sister. Because they proved it. Compare Wolvie to them. What exactly did he do to deserve to be on the same page of X's life? Not. a. single. thing. He is ready to die for her, that's for sure. But who isn't he ready to die for?
Still have hope he rethinks his behavior after he sees what Facility did to her in X-Force 20-21. If he doesn't even give her a hug after what she's been through (torture with a saw being only the beginning) - that I'm right. If he does - I'm wrong; I'm sorry I doubted you and I'm also very happy. But he won't.
@LauraX23: Hell, who doesn't wish to be like her?? But the brotherhood is ooooldddd. I'm glad we almost don't have mutant villains anymore. It's boring - show us mutants fighting non-mutant threats. =)
Note: my post here is just a perspective elaborating on my above message, I respect that others may not share this opinion. I don't need to change your minds, just thought it would be cool to share my thoughts :-)
I think that Logan doesn't show Laura too much affection because he knows that she's not used to it. I feel that perhaps he sees himself in Laura, and respects her the most; any other female, like Jubilee, Kitty, Armor--he might be offering hugs and comforting words to. But we see in the end of Astonishing X-men #25 (although I thought it was super corny) that Logan's way of grieving, of showing care, is going on and fighting. Armor saw him getting all teary eyed over Kitty's death, and she demanded him to go train with her, because she knew that's what he needed. My point is that Logan doesn't naturally express emotions in the touchy feely way. He'd much rather split a beer with someone than give them a hug (note: I am aware that they haven't shown any bonding time between them, but as I stated before that may be due to fear of having people get disgusted at clone time).
So what I think is that Logan gives Laura is tough love, because he sees himself in her. Perhaps he showed more love and concern when he was angry at her for joining, and yelling at her about Rahne, than he's shown for any other of his 'charges'. Just another perspective there. Would he be so angry if he didn't give a sh**? Probably not. I think the fact that he punched Cyclops over the recruitment of X-23 to X-force was somewhat expressive of concern for his clone.
Also, the thought has occured to me that Logan may have purposely avoided involving himself in Laura's life because he wants her to make her own way. Become individual. None of his other 'girls' ever needed to establish themselves in such a drastic way as Laura does. His presence might affect her development, as she was trained to do everything 'Weapon X' did all her life; why wouldn't that continue even sans facility?
There's the fact that Laura initially hated Logan, too. She blamed him. I don't know if she's completely given up this belief, even though she has shown no sign of it since Target X. Perhaps it is a factor in his reasoning?
Or, Laura (or whomever the chick is with the picture of a chick and a dude), needs to stop conveying the wrong messages. And just understand that textual chat is not the same as real life, person-to-person chat where mouthed words are exchanged instead of text words. Grammatical errors aside, n00bs are to be treated decently, no matter the cause. To lose a member would be to lose the purpose of this site -- to bring fans and whatnot together to discuss characters, comics, and what-have-you.
Anyway, I'm sorry for going off track.
Laura is definitely cared for. Whether truth is part of it or not, Wolverine, Hellion, and basically the entire team of X-Men and their subsidiaries love Laura. However, a problem is that, they don't quite agree to her methods of what she delivers as "team-work" or participation in missions. She's heavily brutal, murderous, and intent on bringing the target down quick, painful (on some occasions), or painless (depending on the cause). Plus, she even has the love of her fans, like me. If we all show the same towards her, perhaps she'd remain a constant character in development by the writers and artists -- it'll express that we want her to continue to progress through the comics.
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