I kinda dropped this book after the conclusion of the first major arc

Oh, Diana thinks she knows where Paradise Island may be? I have to see this, especially after last issue.

I haven't really read the rebirth issues because I don't want to fall asleep. How many issues have gone by and still nothing worthwhile. Most boring WW series ever.

Are Rebirth Steve Trevor and Etta Candy the same ones from the New 52? Where's their connection to A.R.G.U.S.?

How can Ares have the evil tree on Themyscira if he doesn't know where it is? If the Amazons are his daughters why do they have other patrons instead of him? Is Ares responsible for the creation of the fake Themyscira/Femyscira so his Amazons would adhere more closely to his ideals?

If Diana is still the daughter of Zeus he slept with his own granddaughter Hippolyta,

Where do the lies begin? If after this issue Diana was operating under them when Justice League was started in the New 52.

Where do Donna, Cassie, Jason and the revelations from the Darkseid War fit?

There's so many questions to be answered, this is good af!

Year One? Still? Really?

To be fair not as bad as New 52. But honestly I expected quite a lot more from this guy. His last WW series was amazing.

We've gone from bimbo warrior WW, to social justice warrior wonder woman.

Can we not go back to the warrior priestess and diplomat. She was awesome. The one who would blind herself with acid to fight Medusa. That's what I was expecting.

Ares is back and it looks like he is as powerful as Pre-Flashpoint. Awesome.

@somayareece:

Yep, that's one of the few good things in the series.

As long as Wonder Woman can't beat him without god-weapons and he can't be hurt by cosmic and scientific attacks, then I'm sold.

Yeah cause he was better as a bearded, bald headed, defeated, drunken, old man that Wonder Woman was able to kill with a spear. *sarcasm*

nothing is worse than new 52 ares lol.

all i meant was ww and aresz just fight instead of always making truces.

It isn't actually finished yet....

Fixed

Ignoring context and depth, desiring feats.... reminds me of @allstarsuperman

Only stating #facts

Most of Wonder Woman's New 52 gallery is atrocious to be quite honest. Ares was a great character following the crisis. Good thing Azzarello didn't touch Circe. That would of been a trainwreck.

Rucka is starting to lose his touch and drag out these stories way too much. By splitting the book between two major story arcs that run together it gets pretty confusing and bland at times.

Is she going to use New 52 clothes again?

She appeared in Superman/Wonder Woman though. Not a very cool version. I'm at least curious to see how Azzarello would've imagined her.

I don't thing it's exactly bland, but I agree. Things just take too much time to happen. We knew from the beginning that Diana was deceived, that everthing was a lie, but we're probably waiting till issue 24 to know exactly how it all happened. That's a year telling just one story. Most writers complete 3 or 4 storyarcs.

I call bs on all this. A Rebirth story comes out every two weeks, that's two alternating stories a month. At that quick pace there's no way the storylines could drag. It's been six months and we've already gone through 4 arcs. We've gotten a ton of information and world building in those six months, that crushes Azzarello's ring around the mulberry bush looking for a missing baby for three years. And let's not forget that most of us knew that baby was going to be Zeus by the third issue, so it was a huge Mcguffin search, without suspense, for a forgone conclusion. The oracles said what would happen in number one, the only real surprise was Athena Big Bird and that was stupid.

It does come out every two weeks but if you look at it, we are receiving small amounts of information about what is actually going on. So far we are in the dark of what is happening with Themyscira and who is behind everything.

Yeah that's called suspense, it's the opposite of Azzarello.

@scorpio_cassadine: Suspense that is taking over two story arcs at the same time and so far it feels like we are at the very same spot as from the beginning and almost nothing worth mentioning has happened. Rucka won me over at first but when he revealed that everything will be the same throughout every single issue I got bored with his fan wanking. I get, he doesn't like Azzarello's take on the character but that doesn't give him the right to make Wonder Woman "crazy" and make her forget everything that happened to her under Azzarello, that's a childish move.

@tdk_1997: I understand you're upset by what you feel is a good run being undone but you can't proclaim Rebirth is a flop until it's over. You can't leave after the lies, before you find out the truth. You may be pleasantly surprised. There's lots of moving parts here...

It's from issue 15, who's the guy chained to the tree? This isn't just a rehash of Perez or a referendum on Azzarello. Rebirth is it's own thing, wait and see how it ends.

Yes, and all you had to do was ignore the context. Congrats!

As for the guy chained up, I'm gonna guess it's that brother of hers, Jason.

You mean the brother that didn't exist during Azzarello's run? As for childishness, that would be asserting 70 years worth of Wonder Woman history was untrue for the sake of an all new take on the character that only lasted 3. Childishness would also be the little jabs Azzarello took at her fans throughout his run.

I hope this is how WW beats Ares in the movie (if he's in it), by making a deal.

@nightfang3: Totally, then Ares returns 20 years later to claim his pound of flesh taking the life of some 60 million people

@archizooom: I think it would be more like he plays a role in WW1, so she makes a deal to end the war, but Ares starts WW2 years later or something like that.

Fair enough. But I'll say this, revenge is a dish best served cold.

No shit, I never said he did. But since Johns hyped up this brother, at some point they have to do something with it.

I don't think he did that, he just did the story he wanted to do. That's not asserting anything since it was a clean slate for him. Rucka is flat out saying "this bitch was nuts"

@scorpio_cassadine said:

@tdk_1997: I understand you're upset by what you feel is a good run being undone but you can't proclaim Rebirth is a flop until it's over. You can't leave after the lies, before you find out the truth. You may be pleasantly surprised. There's lots of moving parts here...

It's from issue 15, who's the guy chained to the tree? This isn't just a rehash of Perez or a referendum on Azzarello. Rebirth is it's own thing, wait and see how it ends.

I am not saying that it's a rehash of Perez or Azzarello. I am just pointing out that Rucka is taking the elements from Azzarello's run and is trying to write them off one by one, so he can introduce his pet characters into the WW mythos once again. Sometimes being a big fan of a character is actually limiting rather than helping you out with writing the perfect story.

No he's saying she was deceived and the island was nuts. Now we have to find out how, why and by whom. This is epic storytelling going down that's working on all levels.

To say she was deceived (AKA the bitch is nuts), would be an easier pill to swallow. To say that an entire island as well as some gods were nuts, its stupid storytelling on par with erasing an entire planets minds of an event.

Uhmm, these are comic books, a place where anything can happen and something did. Imagine how people who were fans of Wonder Woman for 30 years felt when Azzarello came along and said everything we've known was a lie? You don't think we deserve a Rebirth to a Diana we know and love?

You guys are shedding a lot of tears over a very divisive three years worth of stories that eventually ran out of steam. Do you go to other titles Azz has left and complain about their status quos or are we special?

Where were you when Mrs. Finch was tossing out everything he wrote and reversing all his decisions? You were awful quiet then, why all the crying now?

Just cus it can, doesn't make it good. It's like with the REbirth (Johns) issue, people loved it but I thought it was shite. Mostly the reasoning for why the world was dark, so I went onto write a much better reason that would have fleshed out certain characters and what this character represented in a certain story is actually in line with what Rebirth is saying. I'll say this.... I get that Rucka wants to have a place to start to write his stories... is he an unimaginative person if he couldn't work with the Daughter of Zeus stuff? Absolutely, but let's ignore that for now. What he is trying to do, is not easy. I don't think many people can do it, and if there is a way, Rucka isn't doing it right. But it's a hard thing to do and we just have to get past this so he can do the stories he wants. So Rucka may go onto write amazing stories, but objectively I don't think this is it. It's giving you what you want, so you don't really care about the quality. Am I being kind of a dick and generalizing? Absolutely, but that's just how I feel

He was given a blank slate. If DC rebooted again and Rucka came along and did what he wanted, I'd say it sucks, but I'd have to bite the bullet on that one

To be fair, I never read her run. I wasn't really paying attention. If I was, I would have been annoyed then too.

I'll even show you that I'm pretty objective when it comes to this. When Johns came onto Superman after Lobdell, he made Clark return to the DP. Here's a rant about that.

If it's TLDR: I liked Johns before his work on Superman, after his arc I wanted to kick his ass.

In the end, what annoys me the most is that there was so much potential squandered with Azz's set up. As someone who wants to be a writers, that bugs me. I would have been fine if he wanted to change the Amazon's and made them likable as opposed to rapists (I'll give you that, it was a bit much), but to throw everything away including the Zeus stuff (some people are saying they did, so I'm not sure), just don't sit right with me.

Wonder Woman looks like an asian man on that cover

@saintwildcard: "It's giving you what you want, so you don't really care about the quality"

Remind me to throw this line back in your face whenever you praise an episode of the hopelessly mediocre JL Action just because your favorite 'ship happens to sail there.

Alternatively, maybe you need to grow up and realize some people see merit in this story and where it's going, different strokes folks.

Pffft, have at it. Justice League Action- Review

Alternatively, maybe you need to grow up and realize some people see merit in this story and where it's going, different strokes folks.

Hmmm, I don't know how to respond to this. I'm just gonna let this slide, consider it a Christmas present.

Just cus it can, doesn't make it good.

Heh, this reminds me of the time that Wonder WOman was almost raped by Mark Millar

No, it's one story aiming for the same conclusion from 2 different starting points. It reads like 2 separate stories, but they are connected... but so loosely you could drop one of them and not really loose anything.

Also, I call bs on you predicting Zeke was Zeus 3 issues in. Partly because you aren't clairvoyant and partly because issue 2 and 3 were spent almost entirely on Diana and that small bombshell about her origins. So all you knew back then was that there was a kid on the way, Zeus was the father and he had since vanished and no one really knew why before issue 12.

God people still bitch about a perfectly respectable Wonder Woman Rebirth issue? Haven't you guys dropped it already? And if you have why are you wasting your time trashing people who happen to like the development of characters that aren't your male faves. People have been bitching for ages that Cheetah is barely a character. And now Rucka is giving her one. We've got good arcs with Etta Candy and Steve Trevor....both btw are not Rucka's "pet" characters. And people bitching about "pet" characters are such hypocrites as if Azz didn't have his own pet characters that he erased Diana's own characters for.

@scorpio_cassadine: If people like saintwildcard can't respect other people's enjoyment of a title, then he's not worth engaging. No self respecting person would trash a personal opinion and label it as a "Christmas present" when he acts like respecting a person's opinion is mercy. That's low so he's not worth it.

@alsummers:

A) to be fair, what started this was SC trashing Area so I just felr like defending him.

B) I apologized if I came acrooss to harsh in a PM to SC

C) the Christmas present is more refering to that I could have roasted Zatara over his final statement, but decided to leave it as is.

*Ares*

There's one more chapter to conclusion iirc....

Can anyone explain to me the WW timeline in rebirth? I've read all of them, are they going back and forth in time, or all of the present events are lies?

The Year One portions of the story are set in the past, supposedly the true origin for Diana (at least for this particular era) and showing you that the stuff in the present were "lies", these lies are what have driven Diana mad in the present and why she is currently in the asylum. We've yet to find out who was behind her deceptions and why, but that will be explored in the upcoming story.

So are the events of JL or Trinity suppose to happened after this storyline? I never read WW issues before, used to just stick to Bat family.

I follow Trinity, JL less so, but in the Trinity title Diana confides to Lois about not being able to find her way back home, so it could be set just before the conclusion of "The Lies"