Is Wonder Woman The IDEAL Women?

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#1 Edited by GWHH (796 posts) - - Show Bio

I was reading Batwoman and this caption in the last paragraph caught my eye. If she more than all those things and than " more human."

Does that make her the IDEAL human female?

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#2 Edited by jumpstart55 (4995 posts) - - Show Bio

Well she is the ideal Super Heroine imo.

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#3 Posted by dmessmer (376 posts) - - Show Bio

"Ideal" is a loaded term, and a subjective one. But certainly when Marston created her he did so with the "ideal" woman in mind, and that has been a consistent element of the character ever since (though the New 52 sometimes calls this into question).

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#4 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6732 posts) - - Show Bio

Ideal in what way? Like the most powerful?

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#5 Posted by jointron33 (2107 posts) - - Show Bio

She is strong yet feminine. Defensive yet caring. Buff but beautiful. So yeah, I would say so.

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#6 Posted by Outside_85 (15513 posts) - - Show Bio

I think you misread the line; More than Amazon, more than demigod, more human. I think it is not that she feels above humans, it's that she thinks Amazons and demigods are in away beneath humans (hence why 'than' is omitted from the last line).

Is she the ideal woman on the other hand... I think that is depending on what the beholder looks for in a woman same way its down to the behold to say if she is beautiful or attractive. I could imagine some people be really annoyed or worried every time she jumps out the window to save the world (aka what Trevor was before she dumped him).

However she is supposed to be the optimum woman, an example of what every woman could be.

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#7 Posted by GWHH (796 posts) - - Show Bio

In the sense. If you took away all her supernatural ability and left her with only her intelligence, beauty, athletic skills, etc. Stuff she was born with and could have learned. I think she would be a close as perfection as you could get in the mortal world!

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#8 Posted by warlock360 (28180 posts) - - Show Bio

More human (than human) is a phrase used to describe someone beyond human, almost supernatural. Similarly I could ask you if superman is the ideal man.

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#9 Edited by GWHH (796 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: I notice the lack of "than" in the human part also. I think the more than part for demigod and amazons means. She the best of both them worlds. The human I don't have a clue about.

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#10 Edited by darkman61288 (969 posts) - - Show Bio

@gwhh: She is the ideal superheroine but the ideal woman. No.

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#11 Posted by Yung ANcient One (5248 posts) - - Show Bio

For me... no

nope.

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#12 Edited by drgnx (3660 posts) - - Show Bio

That you think there is an ideal women in the first place is problem number one!

Like, EVERYONE KNOWS; Men don't find their ideal Women, women find them and change their man's ideals to match their personalities, and that's if they're being considerate .... The nasty ones change your ideals to their polar opposite to let you know you f***ed up!

To be fair it can work both ways if the women allows it!

In all honesty the WW might be the personification of the idea of the ideal Women, but is not actually one.

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#13 Posted by ltbrd (704 posts) - - Show Bio

there is no such thing as an ideal man or woman. to think otherwise is just to perpetuate a stupid idea that everyone must look, think, act, etc... like X in order to be successful, attractive, yada yada yada, and what has and continue to cause a great deal of social issues and ridiculous stereotypes.

should people be physically fit? yes, but you don't have to be an Olympian, just maintain a healthy weight for the sake of a good, healthy life.

should people be well-educated? yes, but that doesn't mean everyone has to be a doctor.

should people be well-mannered? yes please (I really hate rude/oblivious people)....actually no addendum on this, people should be polite and respectful of one another.

Trying to define any more than that leads to far more problems than solutions.

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#14 Posted by PowerHerc (86164 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman pretty much is "the ideal woman."

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#15 Posted by dshipp17 (2987 posts) - - Show Bio

@ltbrd said:

there is no such thing as an ideal man or woman. to think otherwise is just to perpetuate a stupid idea that everyone must look, think, act, etc... like X in order to be successful, attractive, yada yada yada, and what has and continue to cause a great deal of social issues and ridiculous stereotypes.

should people be physically fit? yes, but you don't have to be an Olympian, just maintain a healthy weight for the sake of a good, healthy life.

should people be well-educated? yes, but that doesn't mean everyone has to be a doctor.

should people be well-mannered? yes please (I really hate rude/oblivious people)....actually no addendum on this, people should be polite and respectful of one another.

Trying to define any more than that leads to far more problems than solutions.

Well, what you're saying is kind of silly in relation to reality; although we would all like an environment where we're not judged by looks, that's just simply not the case. It's like saying there's no racism or sexism; of course, it's easy for someone to say who reap the benefits of someone else's misfortune; thus, it's like a Caucasian American saying racism is a stereotype to a group of American Americans and Latinos. Shows someone being very insensitive to the people who are affected. It's clearly not merely a stereotype to say that the more attractive you are the more successful you'll tend to be, especially in the 2010s working environment. The issue may be affecting women a little less, because special attention is being brought to it in that context, but it's still there, especially for men. The problem is that there's no legal recourse when you know you were denied an employment opportunity because of your looks; the employer can actually flat out say that you didn't get the job because you weren't attractive enough and there will probably be absolutely no recourse the victim can take to remedy the situation; however, that's basically never done so the problem has continually perpetuated for hundreds of years and, with the same lack of laws in place, will probably continue to perpetuate for more years to come. About the only place where someone may be safe from looks based discrimination would be being a physician (brain or heart surgeon at that) and maybe being accepted into a university; maybe someone can squeeze into somewhere that require's a PhD, but that will be subject to being hijacked to a certain degree.

So, saying Wonder Woman is the idea woman is both a compliment and a criticism for someone who's the constant victim of looks based discrimination.

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#16 Edited by The Stegman (34924 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I'd prefer Zatanna or Power Girl. Someone with a sense of humor.

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#17 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23390 posts) - - Show Bio

Ideal in the eyes of whom? Men? Women? Children? Prospective partners? Herself? People looking for someone to emulate?

Kind of a dodgy question.

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#18 Edited by THEOCITYLEGEND (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

No at all. She would be way too pushy.

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#19 Posted by RustyRoy (15934 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I'd prefer Zatanna or Power Girl. Someone with a sense of humor.

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#20 Posted by GWHH (796 posts) - - Show Bio

good point

Well she is the ideal Super Heroine imo.

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#21 Posted by Squares (8661 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on what you're looking for, I'd imagine

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#22 Edited by ArchiZoom (1128 posts) - - Show Bio

The ideal woman is 5'5, delicate, slightly dumb and obedient so Wonder Woman is not the archetype of an Ideal Woman by men's criteria but she's the ideal woman for a woman. She's strong, smart, driven, she's pretty damn amazing, I mean she used to be.

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#23 Posted by Primebonnick (3780 posts) - - Show Bio

depends on your taste but she would be for me.

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#24 Posted by Bruxae (18148 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she is as close to "ideal" as you can come, of course opinions are gonna vary, I for an instance prefer other characters in most categories. But in a general sense she is as all-around ideal as you get for the most part.

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#25 Posted by Bruxae (18148 posts) - - Show Bio

The ideal woman is 5'5, delicate, slightly dumb and obedient so Wonder Woman is not the archetype of an Ideal Woman by men's criteria but she's the ideal woman for a woman. She's strong, smart, driven, she's pretty damn amazing, I mean she used to be.

Not sure if you are joking or not.

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#26 Posted by Farkam (7800 posts) - - Show Bio

Uhh no.

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#28 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio

@gwhh: I don't know about the question but the artist of that scan needs to have his hands broken.

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#29 Posted by ArchiZoom (1128 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: that's by J.H Williams, he parted ways with DC some months ago but he was one of the best supposedly though I agree he didn't do Wonder Woman justice

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#30 Posted by Outside_85 (15513 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: that's by J.H Williams, he parted ways with DC some months ago but he was one of the best supposedly though I agree he didn't do Wonder Woman justice

Well, not entirely, he is the one doing Sandman: Overture. Anyways he's better than most artists, who seem more focus on her chest and tail rather than her face.

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#31 Posted by Superguy1591 (7533 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on the man, she is 6'0 and the average man is 5'7. I don't think she is ideal for those men.

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#32 Posted by jdhaddad1973 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think the point is about an individual's taste in women. As she said to Superman about being the God of War, she represents a concept. Certainly Marston created her with the concept of "what would make the ideal woman" in mind. She's not meant to be an objectified female character she is meant to be what all women (and quite frankly men too) should aspire to be ... the best they can be.

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#33 Posted by DianaXKal (520 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman is perfect! <3

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#34 Posted by GWHH (796 posts) - - Show Bio

As a women who was made from clay from FIVE goddess as a gift to a mortal women they loves I feel she the prefect women in that design. But as a demigod. She not anywhere near there!

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#35 Posted by SheenLantern (7541 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread is just stupid.

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