@wdw - I would love to show you some of what I´ve written for the wonder woman script. I really want your view. Let me know if we can speak, because I´m actually in contact with the quite a few people connected to Warner Brothers and I have to finish this project soon. I know you wrote a script which is why I´m asking...
As for this whole discussion about wonder woman villains, the simple answer to the whole DC problem and this does not just apply to WW is that DC writers are so stuck on Batman and Superman that they can´t see past there own crap.
Flash has an excellent rogues gallery, excellent mythology, really cool powers, if he had a movie people would know that. His Rogues Gallery are cool in the Spiderman sense of being fun, but then some of them are real psychos as well.
Shazam again, why not an animated series. The recent work Geoff Johns did on him shows how easily he can be modernized. He has Black Adam as well who´s cool as hell.
Martian Manhunter, great character, again people love him from the animated show and many want him back, but DC are too stuborn. They are of the view they know better than the fans.
Even with Batman, DC get stuck on a broken record, using Joker and now boring Bane over and over again. Where´s a great Riddler Graphic Novel or Dummy/Scarface graphic novel.
It´s just a crying shame DC easily have the best villains and they diss their own characters openly.
Marvel has done 3 films with Iron Man with not one compelling villain and yet Wonder Woman has Ares the God Of War and they have the absolute gall to come out and say she doesn´t have a great villain. If Ares can´t be a great villian for you, i´m sorry, but you
shouldn´t be writing full stop. If you don´t have the imagination to transform a God Of War into a compelling foe for someone who fights in the name of peace then their something missing synaptically in your logic clearly. I cannot understand, how anyone can look at Batman/Joker, Superman/Lex Luthor or Braniac, Wonder Woman/Ares, and sit there and say that somehow Ares is sillier in concept or less compelling than what Joker or Lex Luthor can be.
Definition Of a Good Comic Villain
1. Multiple Interpretations can be made of the character.
Lex luthor fit that (yes)
Braniac fit that (yes)
Ares fit that (Yes)
Joker fit that (Yes)
2. Can be translated over period of time without feeling silly. i.e. one could make a 70s version of Joker, one could make a 50s version of Joker, one can make a modern version of the Joker. Each interpretation can fit the times seemlessly without seeming corny.
Lex luthor fit that (yes)
Braniac fit that (yes)
Ares fit that (Yes)
Joker fit that (Yes)
3. Has an intrinsic conflict with the protagonist that is psychological, physical, philosophical and spiritual....
a. Batman, Joker is psychologically his match, as Batman master detective, Joker master criminal. Physical: The Joker has thugs as well as various traps he can present for Batman: philosophical Batman represents order and rationality, The Joker Chaos, Spiritual; both are children of tragedy gone opposite ways.
b. Superman, Lex Luthor psychologically represents a threat to Superman because he has the most brilliant mind in the world, Supes can hardly be matched physically so we are only left to outsmart him, Physical, Lex Luthor brilliance allows him to be the soul human being on the planet that can create weapons and plans sufficient to take the boyscout down, Philosophical, here´s where things get at there best with Lex. Lex philosophically speaking is the Superman. The Man Of Tomorrow. His contempt for Superman come precisely because an alien has taken that mantle from him. He should be humanities savior, but instead Superman who has had it all handed him is the one everyone looks up to. Finally spiritually: Lex is close to Superman in the sense there goal is to elevate humanity, however Lex, feels elevating himself is elevating humanity, after all he is our greatest mind. Where as Supes chooses to elevate us all with him, an idea Lex finds sickening, contemptuous and patronizing. This makes Lex and Supes relationship continually fascinating, if not overly complex.
c. Superman Braniac: Now I might be one of the few to think this, but in my opinion Braniac is the natural archnemisis to Superman. Psychologically: Simple beneficentGod vs Malevolent God, one wishes to use his power to benefit that which is weaker than him, the other single mindidly wishes to utilize then destroy everything weaker than him, until he is all that is left, seeing absolutely no contradiction in his mission. Physically Braniac has so many interpretation and ways you can read him depending on the story being told that he matches him both in Brawn and his intellect allows him to develop weapons that are more than a challenge for Superman. Philosophically, Again Braniac wishes to usurp everything in the universe so he can no all things, becoming the ultimate fatalist with concerns his own fate, as the end of his mission only will brings about the end of his purpose. Superman is the one that continually challenges him to see that. Spiritually, Superman cares, Braniac is cold and without soul. Connected by very different types of Godhood.
d. Now on to Wonder Woman and Ares. Psychologically a match for Wonder Woman as he shows her the contradiction in her mission to bring about peace, by the very instruments and tools of War. He flaunts that in her face continuously. Physically Ares, powers, which have been manifold over the years, ranging from technopathy to Necromancy, and grow with his connection to the psychic energies of war, are not only a match for WW, but would be visually spectacular to see them go at it everytime. Philosophical: Ares champions and delights in war and destruction for its own sake and sees humans as just instruments to continue the folly of meaningless and brutal war. WW wishes to be a beacon of peace to the world, giving an example of how we can achieve things by other means. Spiritually, they are connected in so many ways its hard to put down to one single attribute, but I´ll say this, in my version, and Perrez, WW learns she can only defeat the War God, by understanding him, his loneliness, his suffering and pain. Pure fighting him on his own grounds only makes him more powerful.
4. Conceptually can be understood easily.
Ares War God
Joker Clown that kills
Lex Luthor Genius Meglomaniac
Braniac Artificial Intellect become destroyer of all life
5. Duality (Psychologically Complex)
Ares, usually depicted as slick, intelligent, stylish, but beneath a psychopathic animal lurks.
Joker, always a smile, colourful, cheerful, but beneath an anarchic, sadistic and random killer.
Lex Luthor, Genius, Saviour Of Humanity, Turned criminally insane by Narcissism.
Braniac, Once a living being, a scientist, who layer by layer stripped himself of any feeling, emotion, or empathy, now a monster.
6. And Finally What Makes A Great Superhero Villain
Writers.
Any villain is able to be great unless his name is Shitman, Or Piss Poor Or Egg FU :)
You can take any villain whether it be Cheetah, Sinestro, Gorrilla Grodd, whoever and make them compelling. Its up to writers to find something in the character that they relate to and put down. I see no reason in anyway that "Ares" or many of WW villains are discredited apart from lack of exposure to them, especially in other media such as film and television. I assure you if Batman movies and animated films hadn´t come out and superman dominated movies and films etc. and someone went up to a non batman reading general Audience person, and said you know Jokers a better villain than Lex Luthor or that Riddler is cooler than Braniac, or even theirs a villain called Killer Croc who is really good, they´d just look at you funny. Humans have a natural distrust and dislike about what they don´t know. They have to be shown, to understand. That is why WW and so many other DC characters are ridiculed because from the outside looking in technically all Superheroes are silly. Only once you get to know them does it click actaully thats whats great about them.
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