Adamantium = Poison

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#1 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

I've read about this a few times but I can't  acknowledge it. Besides why Bullseye isn't sick. He has adamanium in him  and no healing factor to help. I think it's a stupid idea the comic authors came up with. 

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#2 Posted by ARMIV (3927 posts) - - Show Bio

When did this happen?

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#3 Posted by fesak (8591 posts) - - Show Bio

Imperfect vs perfect formula.
Bullseye's adamantium was inserted by Lord Darkwind, the creator of the Adamantium bonding process

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#4 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

The bonding process. Did he invented adamantium ? Cuz that makes a  difference.

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#5 Posted by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio
question when the hell was lord darkwind revived?
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#6 Posted by fesak (8591 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" question when the hell was lord darkwind revived?
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He wasn't.
He bonded adamantium to Bullseye's spine in his first appearance in Daredevil 196.
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#7 Posted by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio
ur telling me numnuts  has bn running with Ada. bones for decades?!!
where the hell was i at?! was i sleeping?! how the hell did that happen?!
will you school me now and explain it further?
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#8 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

We are not talking about some guy that is 100 year old human or what ever.
Thinking about adamantium as a poison makes me sick. Any of you know whet it was said for the first time that adamantium is poisoning Logan, what issue ??

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#9 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Does any of you think it's good idea to give adamantium poisoning properities??

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#10 Posted by dp (37 posts) - - Show Bio

nah adamantuim doesnt posion a guy its just a rare undestrucktable metal
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#11 Posted by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio

Adamantium has been stated to be poisonous many times in canon. Wolverine was dying from adamantium poisoning when the High Evolutionary stripped all mutants of their powers (X-Men #99).

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#12 Posted by cracks (6974 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine's healing factor would be better and more efficient if he did not have adamantium.           %Pr

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#13 Posted by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio
@cracks said:
" Wolverine's healing factor would be better and more efficient if he did not have adamantium.           %Pr "
It was. We saw this for years after Fatal Attractions.
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#14 Posted by Foreverbbyily (244 posts) - - Show Bio
@cracks:
wolerine sucked without the ad. im sorry to say im not bashing also was his claws bones or some material like that before the ad.got inside him
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#15 Edited by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio
@Foreverbbyily said:

" @cracks: wolerine sucked without the ad. im sorry to say im not bashing also was his claws bones or some material like that before the ad.got inside him "

Wolverine has had dense bone claws since he was a child. They weren't coated with adamantium until Weapon X coated his skeleton. Wolverine was also better without the adamantium, by all accounts. He could run faster, jump further, heal quicker, etc.
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#16 Posted by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio
bone clawed wolverine jumped a ravine..  :P
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#17 Posted by Foreverbbyily (244 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg:
but didnt sabertooth brake his claws one time 
do they grow back because of his heal factor 
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#18 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm confused.
Is it because of the poisoing ability adamantium can cut anything so easy ?? Like muramasa blade but weaker?? 
It is indestructible but that doesn't mean it can cut through anything very easy, I think  x_X

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#19 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1673 posts) - - Show Bio

Bullseye's adamantium might be layered in a more benign material (medical plastics, etc).

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#20 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrMiracle77 said:
" Bullseye's adamantium might be layered in a more benign material (medical plastics, etc). "
Didn't though about that.
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#21 Posted by mdayschaos (13 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg: really? i thought it helped him perform more strainuos activties
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#22 Posted by fesak (8591 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr.AllAboutWolverine said:
" @MrMiracle77 said:
" Bullseye's adamantium might be layered in a more benign material (medical plastics, etc). "
Didn't though about that. "
 
No it isn't. It was just done right.

It's simple. Wolverine's original adamantium bonding process wasn't done perfectly, thus the adamantium became poisonous.
His current adamantium does not poison him, and as such his healing factor is more effective.
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#23 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio
@fesak said:
" @Mr.AllAboutWolverine said:
" @MrMiracle77 said:
" Bullseye's adamantium might be layered in a more benign material (medical plastics, etc). "
Didn't though about that. "
 No it isn't. It was just done right. It's simple. Wolverine's original adamantium bonding process wasn't done perfectly, thus the adamantium became poisonous. His current adamantium does not poison him, and as such his healing factor is more effective. "
The current adamantium came from the guy that changed Wolverine into Death ?? Cuz I don't remember.
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#24 Posted by fesak (8591 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr.AllAboutWolverine said:
" @fesak said:
" @Mr.AllAboutWolverine said:
" @MrMiracle77 said:
" Bullseye's adamantium might be layered in a more benign material (medical plastics, etc). "
Didn't though about that. "
 No it isn't. It was just done right. It's simple. Wolverine's original adamantium bonding process wasn't done perfectly, thus the adamantium became poisonous. His current adamantium does not poison him, and as such his healing factor is more effective. "
The current adamantium came from the guy that changed Wolverine into Death ?? Cuz I don't remember. "
 
Yes, Apocalypse.
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#25 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

The prevous adamantium was meaking Logtans healing factor weaker. Without it he mutated. Now he has not poisoning adamantium. So why he isn't mutating again.
This part of Logans story is the most confusing for me X | 

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#26 Posted by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio
it stopped the bone growth. -_-
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#27 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, what about fur,teeth and strange nose ??

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#28 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

So in conclusion: 
-adamantium itself isn't poisonus
 -the bonding proces was too primitive and the result of it is health impairment
- if you insert a small sample of adamantium under the skin of the normal human then nothing would happen
Right ?

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#29 Edited by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr.AllAboutWolverine said:

" Ok, what about fur,teeth and strange nose ?? "

he used his MA training and mental exercises meditation to reassert himself and stop his mutation by force of will before getting his ada. back.  -_-
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#30 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Owww, that is very interesting and explains everything. 
Does those situations appeared in any issue ??

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#31 Posted by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio
it was an ongoing story that spanned various issues not just taking place in one comic.
 
in wolverine issue #102 logan was still bestial both physically and mentally. he ran into a drug dealing kid and killed the supplier out of self defense and was about to kill the kid too but chose not to he felt pity for him and allowed him to live. compassion was the 1st sign of the man reasserting over the beast. logan was able to recall a woman crying and piece together that it was the boy's mother. he made him go home. also memory was another sign that logan was slowly regaining self awareness and not just the gibbering beast personal he had for a while after the feral transformation.
 
at the end of the issue he ran into elektra   and went into issue #103 
 
she was sent by stick to retrain logan back to the path of the warrior in hopes of helping him remember who he was. he trained with her and traveled with her to Greece where logan was now able to talk and stand up as well as use MA skills instead of the animal personal taking over...
 
logan just kept improving little by little throughout various titles and storylines.
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#32 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

 WoW, Thanks for that answer. You are good. I'm not on time with Wolverines back story cuz in my country hardly anywhere you can buy comics with Logan. 
So you have to forgive me ;)

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#33 Edited by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio

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#34 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks for those. 
He looks realy scary in animal form.

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#35 Posted by cracks (6974 posts) - - Show Bio
@Foreverbbyily: They grow back, but it takes time.          %Pr
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#36 Posted by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio
@Foreverbbyily said:
" @Korg: but didnt sabertooth brake his claws one time do they grow back because of his heal factor  "
yes, they grow back. only reason it took time af 1st was b/c he still had a weaken HF that was slowly improving with time.

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#37 Posted by danhimself (21430 posts) - - Show Bio

while IGN may not be the most reliable source they did have this to say on their recent Dark Reign profile for Bullseye 
 
Did You Know: Following a crippling injury, Bullseye's spine and many other bones were coated with adamantium. It hasn't been revealed yet how Bullseye's body is able to withstand the effects of adamantium poisoning

 

 

http://comics.ign.com/articles/104/1040899p4.html    

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#38 Posted by danhimself (21430 posts) - - Show Bio

while IGN may not be the most reliable source they did have this to say on their recent Dark Reign profile for Bullseye 
 
Did You Know: Following a crippling injury, Bullseye's spine and many other bones were coated with adamantium. It hasn't been revealed yet how Bullseye's body is able to withstand the effects of adamantium poisoning

 

 

http://comics.ign.com/articles/104/1040899p4.html    

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#39 Posted by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
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while IGN may not be the most reliable source they did have this to say on their recent Dark Reign profile for Bullseye 
 
Did You Know: Following a crippling injury, Bullseye's spine and many other bones were coated with adamantium. It hasn't been revealed yet how Bullseye's body is able to withstand the effects of adamantium poisoning

 

 

http://comics.ign.com/articles/104/1040899p4.html    

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I was wondering about this a while ago. Apparently there was an explanation of sorts. 
 
@k4tzm4n said: 

" I decided to search through my back issues because I've also been curious about this.  Here's the dialogue:

Dark Wind:What is next is the combination of the old and the new.  You will submit to surgery.  Your damaged bone will be replaced by metal...That is the new.
Bullseye: An' the old?
Dark Wind: Treatment with herbs to insure that your body will not reject the artificial parts---And prayery to his Kami...The god of my household...A warrior god. (holding up a head)...Either you will die or you will recover very rapdily---within a week. "

 
   
From this thread.
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#40 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

So that meant that beeing poisonus is one of the adamantium properties, like indestructible ?? : (

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#41 Posted by knightinbatmanarmor (44 posts) - - Show Bio

  Adamantium, like any other metal or foreign object is poisonous to the body. Logan's HF had to work constantly overtime to keep the poisoning from killing him, which it managed to do while slowing down his HF to other injuries. It doesn't matter where the metal is, as long as it is in the body, it is causing some form of harm to him one way or another because that's just how it works. As far as Bullseye, MArvel almost never fully explains everything, but if that herb thing is true then there is your answer. But that's the benefit from having an alternate universe from ours. Not everything for us applys to them because they can make up whatever they please and leave answers open ended for that very reason.
 
And as far as the abilities for Adamantium. It is a supersharp fine metal, meaning it is keen enough to cut through anything as long as you can put enough force behind it. Things like flesh and bone don't need a lot fo force, but Wolverine has been seen cutting through some pretty tough and thick material over the years. And if you look at the guy, he's really built. So the effectiveness only depends on the strength and skill of the bearer, not so much the metal itself.

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#42 Posted by DEGRAAF (8399 posts) - - Show Bio

wait wait wait, so wolverine was basically gonna end up looking like sabretooth but they put the adamantium in him and it stop his mutation then the adamantium got taken away and he stop his mutations from porceeding just by pure will power and not he has his adamantium back again? Also adamantium isnt poisonous just the primitvie process was?  
 
That sums up the questions i htink
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#43 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio
Whait !!
I get the whole idea. Everything is clear for me, answers above are very well-chosen. 
But I have one question.
When metal gets in body.
Does his presens makes people sick or his decomposion.
Because it makes difference. 
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#44 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr.AllAboutWolverine said:
" The prevous adamantium was meaking Logtans healing factor weaker. Without it he mutated. Now he has not poisoning adamantium. So why he isn't mutating again. This part of Logans story is the most confusing for me X |  "
He is not mutating again because the adamantium is still on the skeleton. Even though it is not poisoning him anymore, it is still preventing any physical changes. 
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#45 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
" @Mr.AllAboutWolverine said:
" The prevous adamantium was meaking Logtans healing factor weaker. Without it he mutated. Now he has not poisoning adamantium. So why he isn't mutating again. This part of Logans story is the most confusing for me X |  "
He is not mutating again because the adamantium is still on the skeleton. Even though it is not poisoning him anymore, it is still preventing any physical changes.  "
WHAT!! What do you mean it is not poisoning him anymore.
Now I'm confused. Are ther other kinds of admantium, which doesn't poison?
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#46 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio

There are several grades of adamantium and several different ways we have seen it grafted to skeletons. It is possible that Apocalypse has also created a new type of adamantium or bonding process that no longer kills the body in which it is contained. 

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#47 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Very interesting

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#48 Edited by castleking (24743 posts) - - Show Bio

or.... you can also think of the process used to make adamantium as the reason to the adamantium poisoning. the original weapon X project required a nuclear reactor as part of the creating and bonding process. it could be argued that method could cause adamantium poisoning due to the radiation process. i'm just throwing it out their since i recall prof cornelius dumping radioactive waste on logan when he escaped and was hunting him down.
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#49 Posted by Mr.AllAboutWolverine (122 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking said:
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or.... you can also think of the process used to make adamantium as the reason to the adamantium poisoning. the original weapon X project required a nuclear reactor as part of the creating and bonding process. it could be argued that method could cause adamantium poisoning due to the radiation process. i'm just throwing it out their since i recall prof cornelius dumping radioactive waste on logan when he escaped and was hunting him down. "
Nuke Reaktor ?? Bonding proces dosen't look soo energy absorbing ??
Cornelious dumping radioactive waste on Logan ? You remember in what issue?
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#50 Posted by Erik (32504 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr.AllAboutWolverine:  
Marvel Comics Presents issue 83. Although we see in issue 84 that it was an illusion, they were using actual environmental settings for the memory implants in the Weapon X base. So it did have a nuclear reactor. 
 
@castleking:  
Very interesting theory. I like it. 

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