We get the point, Bendis doesn't like Jan. But really, was it necessary to kill her like that? Use one of the founding members of the Avengers for a pathetic cliffhanger of an ending, and then just wipe her out of all existence like a bug you've squashed underfoot?

This is, of course, after his portrayal of her as a complete and utter idiot, drunkenly revealing things to the Scarlet Witch (despite the fact she already knew about her kids), and portraying her as little more than a complete tool of a socialite, presumably for Bendis' own amusement and the fact he doesn't really get her.

All I can say is poor writing. The whole secret Invasion was great in the beginning, but soon after it just lost its feel. Why Jan? Anyways so many characters were out of character it not even funny. Hawkeye killing for example,
Jan has been a big part of the Avengers. She was a great strong character, till Bendis cut her down from her years of development. He made her dizzy and a slut. From her previos leadership persona qualities. She is a character I will miss.

"All I can say is poor writing. The whole secret Invasion was great in the beginning, but soon after it just lost its feel. Why Jan? Anyways so many characters were out of character it not even funny. Hawkeye killing for example,
Jan has been a big part of the Avengers. She was a great strong character, till Bendis cut her down from her years of development. He made her dizzy and a slut. From her previos leadership persona qualities. She is a character I will miss."

Bendis?  Bad writing?!?

Say it isn't so!!!

*eyeroll*

"avengpymhawk said:

"All I can say is poor writing. The whole secret Invasion was great in the beginning, but soon after it just lost its feel. Why Jan? Anyways so many characters were out of character it not even funny. Hawkeye killing for example,
Jan has been a big part of the Avengers. She was a great strong character, till Bendis cut her down from her years of development. He made her dizzy and a slut. From her previos leadership persona qualities. She is a character I will miss."

It's not poor writing.She is one of the least popular Avengers ever."

I hated secret invasion from issue 2 and 8 was one of the worst comics I have read this year.  The very annoying pointless and endless dialogue, emma being evil (roles eyes and grunts), stupid cliffhangers, the heroes were above them the whole time (come on).  Jn's death was the worst part.  I now hate Brian Bendis' writing (except ultimate spider-man)

I liked Si, but issue 8 just went down the drain. Instead of bringing some sense of closure, it just sent everything out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I really felt sorry for Stark in the end, and I pretty much agree with what bumnut said.

"I liked Si, but issue 8 just went down the drain. Instead of bringing some sense of closure, it just sent everything out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I really felt sorry for Stark in the end, and I pretty much agree with what bumnut said."

Secret Invasion left people hanging

What about the Void?

Where's the baby?

Is Echo alive?

"Secret Invasion left people hanging

What about the Void?

Where's the baby?

Is Echo alive?"

How will Echo and Electra deal with the Hand?

Is Echo leaving the Avengers completely?

"Vance Astro said:

"avengpymhawk said:

"All I can say is poor writing. The whole secret Invasion was great in the beginning, but soon after it just lost its feel. Why Jan? Anyways so many characters were out of character it not even funny. Hawkeye killing for example,
Jan has been a big part of the Avengers. She was a great strong character, till Bendis cut her down from her years of development. He made her dizzy and a slut. From her previos leadership persona qualities. She is a character I will miss."

It's not poor writing.She is one of the least popular Avengers ever."

According to who'm? She may not have been the most popular, but she was liked and well respected as founding member. I didn't mind/semi liked SI, it did dwindle as it went on and was, for me, anticlimactic. And what's with Stark? Marvel really likes shi$%ing on this poor shlub! He's really been put thru the ringer what with his Civil War stance and was even considered a baddie by some, outside of turning into a real prick, and now after they've put him high up there, Marvel have basically just shat on him and pinned the whole invasion on his shoulders, with him aparantly earning the title: "The mosted wanted man" after SI, as Bendis, I think,, put it? I love how Marvel build up their characters (if that's what you could call it with some) and then use them to wipe their ass's with and flush them down the toilet! I actually felt sorry for Tony, getting hammerd (apologies, no pun intended) by Thor, and then hearing that Osborne has taken over his roll and that their'll be a BIG enquiry into the conduct of Tony Stark! Way to go Marvel, way to go! Who's next? Who's gonna get a royal flushing next?"

"

How will Echo and Electra deal with the Hand?

Is Echo leaving the Avengers completely?

"

"AtPhantom said:

"I liked Si, but issue 8 just went down the drain. Instead of bringing some sense of closure, it just sent everything out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I really felt sorry for Stark in the end, and I pretty much agree with what bumnut said."

SI isn't over."

"Vance Astro said:

"AtPhantom said:

"I liked Si, but issue 8 just went down the drain. Instead of bringing some sense of closure, it just sent everything out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I really felt sorry for Stark in the end, and I pretty much agree with what bumnut said."

SI isn't over."

It doesn't have to be. Civil war continued after the main series ended, but you had the sense that the worst was over. Here it feels like we haven't seen nothing yet."

"After Si #7..I don't know what you were expecting out of 8."

Stupid small town comic shops.  I've only read up to 6. :-(

"Stupid small town comic shops.  I've only read up to 6. :-("

I, for one, am sorry to see the Wasp apparently killed. I liked the character, even if a lot of other people were indifferent to her. As for Marvel, well, you've finally managed to alienate this long-time reader. This may be overreacting, considering this is only a fictional character I'm talking about, but as of now I expect to be DROPPING all MCG titles save one (Won't say which one that is), and that title is on the marginal list, since it has lost most of its appeal. Main point here is that Marvel has pushed me away due to its callous attitude toward many fans. This just pushed me past the breakingm point. 

"I, for one, am sorry to see the Wasp apparently killed. I liked the character, even if a lot of other people were indifferent to her. As for Marvel, well, you've finally managed to alienate this long-time reader. This may be overreacting, considering this is only a fictional character I'm talking about, but as of now I expect to be DROPPING all MCG titles save one (Won't say which one that is), and that title is on the marginal list, since it has lost most of its appeal. Main point here is that Marvel has pushed me away due to its callous attitude toward many fans. This just pushed me past the breakingm point. "

"Her death is insignificant."

well killing an character thats not very important can still have a big inpact on the other hand killing a good hero can seem to not mean much at all depending on how its done. Case in point sue diby made a huge impact and was a very touching story. Wasp is clearly more important than her but her death in SI kinda doesnt matter just like goliaths death didnt matter in civil war....And am I the only one who still fuzzy on how she died? did thor kill her? did she blow up? or did she just vanish? it just seemed really odd. And about SI yeah the skrulls looked totally strong with the blindside attack but then were totally outclassed by thor ALONE and then I MO it was very cheap and unartistic to just take sentry out of the whole thing just cause hes too strong. ITs like DC saying we cant do anything with superman so were just write him out of every event!

It almost looks like Thor teleported her to a possibly uninhabited plane of existence sort of like what Ultimate Thor did to that bomb The Chitauri were going to use to destroy Earth when they abandoned their plans for conquest.

"9th Wonder said:

"Her death is insignificant."

While I can see your point about her not having many fans (though I wont truly believe it unless I see some statistics) this statement is completely false. Jan had many important relationships within the MCU that her death will have a lasting affect on. She was a major player in the community, her death was far from insignificant.

Anyway, I thought Mighty Avengers really did Wasp justice and showed just how grand a thing her death was. I really don't think Bendis took killing her off lightly, otherwise he wouldn't have written her such a tribute. To anyone who thinks that her death was pointless, you just don't know the big picture yet. Most of what Bendis writes has a point, you'll see it eventually.

That all said, I really liked Wasp, and while she wasn't my favorite Avenger, I believe she really added a lot to the team. I look forward to seeing what's next for Hank with her gone, but I'm also sure we'll see Jan again."

"I liked Si, but issue 8 just went down the drain. Instead of bringing some sense of closure, it just sent everything out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I really felt sorry for Stark in the end, and I pretty much agree with what bumnut said."

"If The Wasp has fans she would at least had her own comic.She is the only Avenger between two teams that never ever had a solo series.The staatment is not completely false.A thread was made on the vine a while ago asking if anyone liked Janet in Hank...there were very few post but most people said they either didn't care about her or they liked her more than Pym.Jan didn't have any important relationships in Marvel...People barely like Pym for beating her up so that wasn't important,Her death was insignificant.Marvel will replace her easily and everyone will get over it.She had no impact on the Avengers or Marvel U at all.This is coming from someone who actually likes the character..thing about this...look at all the major events and Marvel an look at the very small roles she played.....

Secret War:She didn't do anything

Avengers Dissasembled:She didn't do anything

House of M:She didn't do anything

Civil War:She didn't do anything

Secret Invasion:She died

The Mighty Avengers don't need Wasp..she's damn near worthless.They have Wanda now.Watch how nobody cares that she's dead.When Cap died he got a whole mini series dedicated to how characters felt about his death and it was announced on the news.That was big..that was significant.Janet dying is not.There is no big picture in her death.She sacrificed herself and she's never coming back.

I Like Wasp as well...I'm not sure why but there is something about Janet I like..but you can't sit there and act like she made a major difference in Marvel..because she didn't.She didn't add anything to the team.She could have not been there and the outcome of every fight or mission would have been similar.Whatever Hank does...people will continue to not care."

"Vance Astro said:

"If The Wasp has fans she would at least had her own comic.She is the only Avenger between two teams that never ever had a solo series.The staatment is not completely false.A thread was made on the vine a while ago asking if anyone liked Janet in Hank...there were very few post but most people said they either didn't care about her or they liked her more than Pym.Jan didn't have any important relationships in Marvel...People barely like Pym for beating her up so that wasn't important,Her death was insignificant.Marvel will replace her easily and everyone will get over it.She had no impact on the Avengers or Marvel U at all.This is coming from someone who actually likes the character..thing about this...look at all the major events and Marvel an look at the very small roles she played.....

Secret War:She didn't do anything

Avengers Dissasembled:She didn't do anything

House of M:She didn't do anything

Civil War:She didn't do anything

Secret Invasion:She died

The Mighty Avengers don't need Wasp..she's damn near worthless.They have Wanda now.Watch how nobody cares that she's dead.When Cap died he got a whole mini series dedicated to how characters felt about his death and it was announced on the news.That was big..that was significant.Janet dying is not.There is no big picture in her death.She sacrificed herself and she's never coming back.

I Like Wasp as well...I'm not sure why but there is something about Janet I like..but you can't sit there and act like she made a major difference in Marvel..because she didn't.She didn't add anything to the team.She could have not been there and the outcome of every fight or mission would have been similar.Whatever Hank does...people will continue to not care."

Just curious, when did you start reading Avengers? Whether or not Wasp has any fans doesn't make any difference in the significance of her death, and to say that she doesn't have any important relationships in the MCU? That's just ignorance. She was a beloved character within the universe, no matter how anyone felt about her in the real world. The lasting affects aren't going to have anything to do with what she was able to do, but more so with what the people who loved her are able to to. Wasp's death is significant in the Marvel Universe. She was a founding Avenger, and had been on the team pretty much since its inception, and as such has maintained relationships with almost every character that has had any contact with the team.

It really doesn't matter whether anybody likes her, or how many fans she has. Her significance is ingrained in the Marvel Comics Universe, she's important to them, therefore she is important. To say that her death is insignificant is false."

I think the point of killing her is to get people mad about it and go and post angry posts on the internet.
No one cares about her until she gets killed, just as Hawkeye. Now all of a sudden everyone cares? Don't worry, she'll be back when enough angry posts has been made.

"I think the point of killing her is to get people mad about it and go and post angry posts on the internet.
No one cares about her until she gets killed, just as Hawkeye. Now all of a sudden everyone cares? Don't worry, she'll be back when enough angry posts has been made."

That's my point. No one cared about her before, why do they care now?

"That's my point. No one cared about her before, why do they care now?"

"That's my point. No one cared about her before, why do they care now?"

I liked Jan up until Bendis took over the original Avengers series and began forcing us down the ebony brick road to Secret Invasion.

The Wasp (Jan) has not done anything? Well lets see for starters she was one of the Avengers founders, she lead the Avengers for over 50 issues, and was a important figure in such Avenger events as Kang Dynasty, Ultron Unlimited, Distiny War, Secret Wars 1, and who can forget the Masters of Evil take-over of the Avenger manson. Great classics that she played a major roll in.

Hawkeye a major character? I love Hawkeye, but he is a second rate character. Just like Janet is. He now just has more of a following, because of his whole death thing. Bring him back 15 years ago, no one cared. Take him back 8 years before that, he was a fan favorite. It all depends on the writer.

"

The Wasp (Jan) has not done anything? Well lets see for starters she was one of the Avengers founders, she lead the Avengers for over 50 issues, and was a important figure in such Avenger events as Kang Dynasty, Ultron Unlimited, Distiny War, Secret Wars 1, and who can forget the Masters of Evil take-over of the Avenger manson. Great classics that she played a major roll in.

Hawkeye a major character? I love Hawkeye, but he is a second rate character. Just like Janet is. He now just has more of a following, because of his whole death thing. Bring him back 15 years ago, no one cared. Take him back 8 years before that, he was a fan favorite. It all depends on the writer.

"

The bottomline is Bendis hates the  old Avengers!  He has destroyed or had a hand in destroying every major member that was ever in the old Avengers!  He has destroyed them and Marvel has let him do it.

Captain America (Steve Rogers) - dead
Hawkeye (Clint Barton) - killed him brought him back but no longer Hawkeye
Iron Man -  made into a villian/back stabbing friend
Wasp - dead
Yellow Jacket - Wife beating / nut case
Ant Man (Scott Lang) - dead
Scarlet Witch - Nut case
Vision - killed him but brought him back with the young Avengers
Avenger Mansion - destroyed it, a character in on itself

During Bendis's reign with the Avengers he has constantly misportrayed the relationships and emotions of these characters.  Some of you may ask how I know these things, it is because I have every Avenger book ever drawn except for 25 issues, so I would say I have some expertise on the subject.  What is currently being published by Marvel is not the Avengers or will it ever be until the greats come back. 

"Bendis's reign with the Avengers he has constantly misportrayed the relationships and emotions of these characters"

" She is one of the least popular Avengers ever. "

" Bendis?  Bad writing?!?Say it isn't so!!!*eyeroll* "

" I hated secret invasion from issue 2  "

@Airstrike said:

For all those who say Janet Van Dyne was insignificant here are some facts. Without her, you have no Hank Pym thus no Pym particles: no Goliath, Yellow Jacket or Giant Man; No Ultron: no Vision or Jocasta. I know that Hank Pym existed before the Wasp but she was the driving force in his life. They wouldn't even be named Avengers because she came up with the name. She only became insignificant when Bendis took over, I think he hates bugs or short, powerful women. She has been a igger player in Marvel Universe than Spider-woman, Ms. Marvel, Black Widow and the majority of the X-women. Up to 10 years ago, most of you wouldn't have known who Spider-woman or Ms. Marvel were and each had there own series in the old days and it didn't make it. Bendis just hates the Avengers and everything they ever stood for (now has killed Thor) and has baically gotten rid of all the Avengers (at one time or another) and filled the team ith his own favorites! Like Wolverine needs another title to be in!! Mavel has went way down hill in my opinion, they keep killing characters and doing one major event after another because they lack talent to come up with anything new or consistent. Bendis doesn't even know anything about the Avengers characters. Janet was a fashion designer and was constantly making new costume, when Bendis took over she had the same costume from the day he started till he killed her!

My sentiments exactly. This is why Bendis needs to never write for a comic book ever again. He's a completely inept, biased, piece of crap that can't write unless it's on something HE likes. It's been 4 years now and her death still hasn't been retconned and she's been way overdue for a resurrection of some kind. And if Marvel is really concerned about popularity of all things, don't they have a cartoon that pretty much writes the book on how to make Janet a likeable character currently running on Disney XD? You'd think that cartoon would be delivering a message of some kind to Marvel.

Bad writing