@whoisthebest: I'm sure this guy you're arguing with is a recent MCU convert and going on about how IM aborbed Thor's attack in the Avengers movie and powered up to 400% and slapped Thor around while ignoring the fact that Thor was also slapping IM around and crushing his armor with his bare hand in the same fight. Anyway I'm with @asgaard and don't care about the whole "my favorite superhero can beat your favorite superhero" nonsense, just give me a good, engaging, well written and drawn story with the characters I like.

done and done.

Have THOR become king of asgard and have Asgard as his priority, sideline THOR from the screen for a phase or 2.

Killing off Thor and other main heroes for the sake of killing them is by far the dumbest thing I've heard. Like @Thorson: said they can make Thor King and have him on the sidelines for awhile. Literally each character can be off doing something else instead of being killed.

I would love a King Thor movie and a god butcher movie but I don't think that'll convert well in the current MCU. I think they should side line Thor for awhile after IW.

@uugieboogie:

That is also what i think, Ant-Man box office performance just prove that not every Mcu franchise is in the same level (independently of the movie quality), so side line Thor/Cap/Iron Man is the best decision also from the business perspective...

The point some are missing with the films is that real people (actors) age and you can't have endless stories and reboots. This isn't like the comic book universe where their stories never end and revert back to the original. Look at how the rebooted Spider-Man films fell flat. Letting the film studio tell a continuous story makes both business sense AND thematic sense. They have tons of properties to bring forth to the screen. With a credible cast and decent filmmakers, they wont always need RDJ to appear in every film for it to be a success. If you James Bond the whole MCU you'll end up with the most bloated, overexposed cast of characters in cinematic history. This way you wont have 25 films with Iron Man, Thor and Cap present.

Besides it's only natural if a few characters either die or just are left on the shelf to make way for new faces.

@haveatthee: Of course one of the perks of having a Thor franchise is in having the potential to utilize the Ragnarok cycle to conveniently do a reboot or change the cast, though Marvel Studios pretty much dropped the ball with that by establishing them as an alien race and not a race of gods. Then too they could always do a "flashback" story involving any character's past using a younger actor and have them take up the role when things revert to the present, worked for FOX and X-Men First Class, so there's always a way around the problem of aging actors, though you do bring up a legitimate point. Of course there will be those who will never accept anyone other than RDJ as Iron Man, but I really think Marvel are moving to pass that title and Cap's on to others as the films progress.

@haveatthee:

I think the Mcu will not reboot in the foreseeable future, (now that they will introduce Spider-Man), but for ex. Nolan new take on Batman work really well...

Chris Hemsworth/Evans can come back for their roles in phase N, that actually could reinvent/reinforce the Mcu as a shared universe where everything is connected, and the nostalgia factor work pretty well in Jurassic World...

To do the gorr story they need to establish the other pantheon of gods from the marvel universe.

@phantomjolt: Well they would have to be established as "gods", including Thor and the Asgardians (and we already know where Marvel Studios went with that idea), for the "Godbutcher" story to work. Sure they could water it down and have him offing vastly superpowered individuals across the cosmos he sees as a threat, but that wouldn't really hold water either as then Gorr would be no better than those he judges and kills, his whole motivation in the original came from his view that the gods held themselves as being superior but were indifferent to their worshipers' suffering. Honestly I think it could make for an very interesting movie but Marvel beat Gorr to the punch and already took care of butchering Asgard themselves.

@antithetical: I forgot marvel likes to keep butchering there characters. I dont think they will even bother mentioning surtur or hel since marvels part of disney now.

Actually Thor mentioned the Hel in A:AoU...

This is true, how they'll explain it remains to be seen.

@antithetical: Yea that could've been such a great movie the Gorr arc but they had to go and say things like he's an alien or demi-god which is just completely wrong as both of his parents are Gods, I'm pretty sure demi-god means you are half human. Also they had Odin explicitly say "We are not Gods" which if they did that arc now would confuse the hell out of people. So yea you're right Marvel have just butchered Asgardians basically saying they're just aliens which is very annoying.

@thorthunder98: how is it that dc treats superman more like a god than marvel does with thor

@phantomjolt: I know it's just sad as it's kind of a slap in the face to Thor fans as he is the 'God of Thunder' and if you watched the honest trailers for Thor on youtube the guy says it perfectly Odin said they are not Gods, so is he just the Guy of Thunder then. I'll add a link incase you haven't watched it, they are brilliant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eAgsrEX_CA

@phantomjolt: in my opinion if they stop doing that supes could become a more interesting character.

I liked supes but the more i got into him i learned he was only about being powerful and nothing else interesting.

Thor is fine the way he's portray'd. Any thing more then he wouldnt fit in well with everyone else.

Thor has so much going on for him compared to supes.

Thanks for you post, sometimes i think i m alone in Thor forum/topics, Thor and Asgard aren't just interesting because the power levels, and even when they are just some kind of weird Ancient Aliens they still can be very interesting if the plot correctly portrays their different beliefs systems. And since we a speaking of positive things why not create the doubt again about their divinity? The Ragnarok seems the perfect concept to make us question that again...

@thorthunder98 i understand your position that other users from Thor forums also have, but a movie narrative is lot more than one concept, and like i said several times i would prefer the Mcu exploring the doubt about the Asgardians divinity, and not writing plots denying that, but Screen Junkies were a lot more "harsh" with MoS narrative than both Thor movies narrative, don't you think?

@thorthunder98: I just saw it, was pretty funny. I also saw the one with the writers doing commentary what i got from it was they were to scared to show off the fantastical side of thor and asgard they wanted to keep it kind of grounded like iron man which is kind of a shame.

@asgaard: At least they have the first 2 superman movies.

And Superman III, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, Superman Returns, don't go that way Thor and Iron Man are the current A listers that have less embarrassing movies...

Batman and Robin?

Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2?

Wolverine Origins?

X-Men The Last Stand?

1990 Captain America?

2003 Hulk?

@cgoodness:

The previous FF movies already were bad, and perhaps that's why they aren't A listers anymore...

I still think they are A listers.......but what evs lol

@asgaard: What i meant to say was that even if man of steel wasn't that great superman fans still have two iconic and great movies to enjoy and ignore the other ones. Hopefully Thor Ragnarock will be great. Was dissapointed in thor 2 and iron 3, and hopefully they keep it as close to the comic as possible none of that mandarin crap or too much comedy, some characters dont need it.

Interesting that you said that, because there's a lot more posts in their movie review than Ant-Man, and the all site seems more interested in FF 2015 than the Ant-man movie, but even if FF were/are (Doom in SW) very important for Marvel Comics and have great stories and i really like them, Fox didn't let them continue to be the A listers that the Avengers and the X-Men currently are...

When i think A lister, i think people with a lot of recognition, i mean i think a lot of people know who they are

Yes, but by this path in the future that scenario can change, Marvel comics cancel their comic (Fox related?), and Fox made this movie that had a terrible reception, "castrating" the property for the future, at least if one of the previous was good...

@asgaard: Does Marvel still make $$$ from their merchandise though?

Disney does, but usually they don't make any figures/toys for the Fox movies only Mcu and Sony...

In the near Disney store the merchandise is all about the Avengers and Spider-Man, worldwide the movies are the best way to introduce some characters to the young audiences, i don't want to speculate very much because a lot will happen in 2016 (Fox has 3 X-Men characters movies) but the Mcu still can save FF, they could start introducing first Kang and Silver Surfer in phase 4, and FF and Galactus in phase 5, if the antagonists were well received by audiences in all the Mcu context, that could create hype for the heroes, normally is the other way around, but the antagonists of this property are less saturated for the movie going audiences...

@asgaard: Big G and SS should be added for infinity wars, does FOX own their rights as well?

Yup even Kang and the Skrulls, the right terminology is license (for live action movie exploration) not rights, for ex. they can't do anything with the X-Men or FF on the TV medium, and they can't sell anything, similar like when you rent a car you can drive it as you wish but you can't sell it because is not yours...

@asgaard: yup, gotta love money

@asgaard: Yea I think they are generally less harsh with the MCU films because they know they might get hate from a lot of their marvel fans if they trash the film too bad, still they had some valid points about MoS even if they were a bit harsher than they are with the marvel films although I'd say they kind of trashed IM3 but they were bang on with everything they said about it tbh.

That are also my conclusions after watching a lot of honest trailers even non comic book movies...They are very creative and entertaining and as movie fan i really enjoy their videos, they also do trailers for video games GTA V is my fav....

@phantomjolt: Yea I think I saw that one, and I get where they're coming from but I wouldn't say Thor should be grounded like Cap or Tony he should be the cosmic fantasy side of the mcu like in the comics hopefully they will show that in Ragnarok as it is or should be about the apocalypse of the Asgardians hopefully they will have minimal or no time on Earth with Jane and Darcy.

@asgaard: Yea even if I think they're being harsh on a film I love they still make me laugh, and I haven't seen their game trailers mainly just watch the movie ones might check those game ones out.

@thorthunder98: Please no more earth characters. More screen time for lady sif and the warriors 3 + hiemdal they are so underused.

@phantomjolt: Yea I hope there is no Jane, Darcy etc in Ragnarok they have taken away from the films for me, they just slow the whole thing down and take me away from the fantasy side and are frankly just boring characters I don't care about. They just seem to be forced in now when I would much rather have them focus on people like Heimdall and the warriors 3 as you said I personally love Heimdall he has the potential to be a huge badass and do some ass kicking in Ragnarok if they let him which I hope they do. I like Sif aswell she gets some good showings in her AoS cameos to be fair.

I remember reading something a few months ago that Marvel/Disney were doing pretty much zero merchandising in relation to the current FF movie.