Thor and mjolnir

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#1 Posted by mm24 (34 posts) - - Show Bio

Is mjolnir an extension of Thor or is it the other way around? does the hammer amplify his power or does he channel his power through the hammer or is it both? Or is he just a coward hiding behind his all purpose battle weapon lol? I am not a big thor reader, unless its avengers or something like that, can someone with extensive knowledge of thor help me out?

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#2 Posted by Kallarkz (3389 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Posted by Gambit1024 (10217 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe nowadays its both, but when he was first introduced, it was all about mjolnir. In the 60's, if Thor were to let go of the hammer for more than a minute, he'd return back to his human guise. Talk about a lame weakness. Now I think they've ditched that idea completely and made it so he can still get by without mjolnir, but if he has it he can do WAAAAY more. I could be wrong, but that's how I think it works.

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#4 Posted by Chibcha1810 (357 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:

I believe nowadays its both, but when he was first introduced, it was all about mjolnir. In the 60's, if Thor were to let go of the hammer for more than a minute, he'd return back to his human guise. Talk about a lame weakness. Now I think they've ditched that idea completely and made it so he can still get by without mjolnir, but if he has it he can do WAAAAY more. I could be wrong, but that's how I think it works.

It's like that, I'm pretty sure. I think it's just a channeler.
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#5 Posted by Deadcool (6939 posts) - - Show Bio

Mjornir in Marvel comics is a weapon that has the power of Thor, without the Hammer he is a human, the Doctor Donald Blake or Eric Masterson, etc...

Mjornir seems to be the key of a lot of Thor powers like Teleportation, forcefields, etc, but he has shown powers like weather control without using the hammer, so I think that the hammer, Mjolnir, just help him to focus his powers.

Also Mjolnir is an extention or Thor's soul, if the hammer breaks, then thor could probably die (nevermind, he is already dead =P).

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#6 Posted by AtraCruor (241 posts) - - Show Bio

Mjolnir was as has been said, the key for Donald Blake to become Thor at first. But it was eventually taken away and he eventually was simply Thor. The weakness came back a bit for volume 2 when he was bonded to the body of Jake Olsen but they were eventually separated and he became a singular being again. As far as his powers it helps focus his weather powers but he doesn't need it to do anything that he has done. However with it he does have access to many more abilities such as the Anti-Force blasts, thermo blasts, force fields, flight, etc. Thor's soul being bonded to it was just recently because there wasn't a way to really repair it by Dr. Strange's hand without doing so.

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#7 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38932 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

Mjornir in Marvel comics is a weapon that has the power of Thor, without the Hammer he is a human,

This is false^
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#8 Posted by Deadcool (6939 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Deadcool said:

Mjornir in Marvel comics is a weapon that has the power of Thor, without the Hammer he is a human,

This is false^

Actually, if Thor is 60 seconds without the hammer he turns into Blake, a Mortal, a Human...

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#9 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38932 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool: Thor hasn't had that weakness in a really long time.  He is still a god without his hammer.
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#10 Posted by Gambit1024 (10217 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Deadcool: Thor hasn't had that weakness in a really long time. He is still a god without his hammer.

Yeah, I thought they got rid of that too.

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#11 Posted by Deadcool (6939 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGoldenOne: @Gambit1024:

But he still needing the cane to transform into Thor...

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#12 Posted by vidarrodinson (142 posts) - - Show Bio

The hammer had the power originally. Beta Ray Bill, Dargo, Red Norvell,Captain America and Donald Blake received enchantment from the hammer. A writer for reasons unknown, had Thor using power from within. They never built on what they started so it is a dilemma. There were several senarios where this could have been used. I think they backed off.

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#13 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38932 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

@TheGoldenOne: @Gambit1024:

But he still needing the cane to transform into Thor...

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He doesn't need or use the cane anymore either.
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#14 Posted by Deadcool (6939 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGoldenOne said:

He doesn't need or use the cane anymore either.

WAIT! WHAT?!!!! Since when? Do I missed something with Fraction's Run?

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#15 Posted by Kallarkz (3389 posts) - - Show Bio

Blake does need a cane now after an injury he suffered in an early #600 issue.

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#16 Posted by Malevolent1 (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay. Initially, when the character was first created, Thor was supposed to be the foremost, be all end all, last line of defense for planet earth superhero. He was Marvel's version of Superman. He had strength and durability to match (and in some cases exceed) the Hulk. Initially, Mjolnir was painted as the weapon that allowed Thor his magical/mystical powers (on one occasion putting him on par with Dr Strange) and his ability to control the weather. In later years, it was indicated that Mjolnir simply channeled, or focused, these mystical and weather control powers that he was born with.

In the last decade, Marvel seems to be indicating that all Thor's power is largely tied to the hammer.

Such is NOT the case from the characters beginning. One of many reasons I no longer read Thor.

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#17 Posted by jay_z94 (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he has the powers without mjolnir... which would make sense as he is a GOD after all.

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#18 Posted by boostergold321 (301 posts) - - Show Bio

@Malevolent1 said:

Okay. Initially, when the character was first created, Thor was supposed to be the foremost, be all end all, last line of defense for planet earth superhero. He was Marvel's version of Superman. He had strength and durability to match (and in some cases exceed) the Hulk. Initially, Mjolnir was painted as the weapon that allowed Thor his magical/mystical powers (on one occasion putting him on par with Dr Strange) and his ability to control the weather. In later years, it was indicated that Mjolnir simply channeled, or focused, these mystical and weather control powers that he was born with.

In the last decade, Marvel seems to be indicating that all Thor's power is largely tied to the hammer.

Such is NOT the case from the characters beginning. One of many reasons I no longer read Thor.

The mystic hammer enhances his power but he can still shoot god lightning and use super strength and such without it.

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#19 Posted by Pyrogram (44990 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:

I think he has the powers without mjolnir... which would make sense as he is a GOD after all.

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