I know this has been discussed in other forums,but do you guys really like the idea how Mcu portrayed Thor as an alien instead being a God???I personally hate that idea.In fact for me that is the worst thing Mcu has done.so what do you guys think and why???
Thor
Character » Thor appears in 8586 issues.
Thor Odinson is the All-father of Asgard /God of Thunder, offspring of All-Father Odin & Elder-Goddess Gaea. Combining the powers of both realms makes him an elder-god hybrid and a being of no perceivable limits. Armed with his enchanted Uru hammer Mjolnir which helps him to channel his godly energies. The mightiest and the most beloved warrior in all of Asgard, a staunch ally for good and one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse/omniverse. Thor is also a founding member of the Avengers.
Thor an alien,not a God???
@risingbean:maybe in Mcu.Dccu will have real magic and true Gods which I like and its true to their character identities.
Nick Fury and Black Widow considers Thor to be a god. Odin doesn't however. Its really just a matter of which word you want to use. They are aliens because they aren't from earth but thor is a god because of his power level, and the fact that humans worshipped him as a god hundreds of years ago.
@goodboy6: Thor in comcis has actually been killed multiple times before so almost dying doesn't mean he isn't a god. Also, it was Kurse who almost killed him, not the boulder.
Like I said, you can use either word you want. Alien or god. They are both
It hasn't bothered me. Magic and tech are indistinguishable at a high enough level.
I don't see what's so hard about saying the phrases "Magic and God" in the MCU, but whatever.
Nick Fury and Black Widow considers Thor to be a god. Odin doesn't however. Its really just a matter of which word you want to use. They are aliens because they aren't from earth but thor is a god because of his power level, and the fact that humans worshipped him as a god hundreds of years ago.
@goodboy6: Maybe your claim would have some credibility if you lived for thousands of years and could control lightning and storms. Thor actually has the abilities to back it up.
@goodboy6: Thor in comcis has actually been killed multiple times before so almost dying doesn't mean he isn't a god. Also, it was Kurse who almost killed him, not the boulder.
Like I said, you can use either word you want. Alien or god. They are both
@goodboy6: Maybe your claim would have some credibility if you lived for thousands of years and could control lightning and storms. Thor actually has the abilities to back it up.
ha I would be happy if I could do that but you are missing my point.when I said half dead when boulder hit him I didnt mean literally.I meant how that boulder made him injured that he barely crawled(Im not saying that he should be invincible,only some more durability and strength).how can Alien and a God be the same in Marvel universe???if you read the comics than you would understand.in Mcu all races except humans are aliens.
Asgardians aren't necessarily aliens. Odin in the eternals saga while addressing the pantheon council mentioned that they were all borne of the earth. Its also been said that Odin created Asgard so is therefore native to the earth. So I think in a lot of ways you could say Asgardians are also native to the earth. Thor's mother is even the spirit of the earth so there is also that. Its hard to say you are an alien to something when your mother actually is that something. They are considered gods mainly due to being above humans physically and having been worshipped by some. That's all it denotes.
Asgardians aren't necessarily aliens. Odin in the eternals saga while addressing the pantheon council mentioned that they were all borne of the earth. Its also been said that Odin created Asgard so is therefore native to the earth. So I think in a lot of ways you could say Asgardians are also native to the earth. Thor's mother is even the spirit of the earth so there is also that. Its hard to say you are an alien to something when your mother actually is that something. They are considered gods mainly to being above humans and having been worshipped by some. That's all it denotes.
I'm not going to go out and say it, but there is something inherently unseemly implied in there... lol! Not by you specifcally, just in general, but then Odin tends to play pretty fast and loose with what is or isn't the truth anyway so who knows for certain.
@antithetical: It can be confusing and convoluted based on the decades of comic lore that's been put out. I think many writers aren't even fully familiar with the lore of a character that has come before them and change stuff without thinking twice about it.
@spambot: Oh, absolutely, there's definitely that aspect as well, though it's funny to think that after so long and so many re-tellings of the tale Odin could possibly be Thor's father and brother, lol!
idk now, maybe there is something to the current portrayal of Odin as something of an angry, slightly senile old man if he can't even get the origin stories right from one moment to the next. : P
@risingbean:maybe in Mcu.Dccu will have real magic and true Gods which I like and its true to their character identities.
I don't see what's so hard about saying the phrases "Magic and God" in the MCU, but whatever.
@antithetical: Well, taking it that way he is but the statement he made that I was quoting he was more just saying that all the pantheons were native to the earth. So much lore has been rewritten with regards to Asgardians in recent years though.
It hasn't bothered me. Magic and tech are indistinguishable at a high enough level.
@antithetical: Well, taking it that way he is but the statement he made that I was quoting he was more just saying that all the pantheons were native to the earth. So much lore has been rewritten with regards to Asgardians in recent years though.
Asgardians aren't necessarily aliens. Odin in the eternals saga while addressing the pantheon council mentioned that they were all borne of the earth. Its also been said that Odin created Asgard so is therefore native to the earth. So I think in a lot of ways you could say Asgardians are also native to the earth. Thor's mother is even the spirit of the earth so there is also that. Its hard to say you are an alien to something when your mother actually is that something. They are considered gods mainly due to being above humans physically and having been worshipped by some. That's all it denotes.
then basically all Gods came from Gaea which would mean that all Gods are related to each other.no,they are Gods because when you worshiped them they become stronger,or something like that.
@goodboy6: That's really just your view of it. Some writers have a view similar to that while others do not. Its hard to say what role exactly Gaea has with regard to the earth based pantheons. Most mythologies have a creation story involving the earth but Marvel has their own lore with regard to it all and often contradicts itself from writer to writer.
@goodboy6: That's really just your view of it. Some writers have a view similar to that while others do not. Its hard to say what role exactly Gaea has with regard to the earth based pantheons. Most mythologies have a creation story involving the earth but Marvel has their own lore with regard to it all and often contradicts itself from writer to writer.
I know that.they just take from mythology their names,some events and then they created their own characters.Freya,a Goddess,who is Thor's adoptive mother is then Thor's very older sister since she is a daughter of Gaea.
I think for THOR to be its own character in the MCU vs Norse Mythology it may make sense to call him an alien.
However, at the same time THOR should always be known as a god. Calling him an alien downgrades him.
But I already know Marvel hates THOR.
you are partly right.Thor should be a God under any other circumstances and its not Mcu vs Norse mythology its Mcu vs Mu because Marvel only uses their names and their identities and made them their own Gods.
on that note I agree.even if stupid Mcu made him an alien he should have been called a God.
yeah Marvel do hates him.they pretty much confirmed when they made him unworthy and cut off his arm.
@goodboy6: That's really just your view of it. Some writers have a view similar to that while others do not. Its hard to say what role exactly Gaea has with regard to the earth based pantheons. Most mythologies have a creation story involving the earth but Marvel has their own lore with regard to it all and often contradicts itself from writer to writer.
I know that.they just take from mythology their names,some events and then they created their own characters.Freya,a Goddess,who is Thor's adoptive mother is then Thor's very older sister since she is a daughter of Gaea.
You seem to be struggling with the simple undeniable truth that all gods, any god, even the Christian god, is by human definitions an alien. Any lifeform not originating from earth is by definition an alien. God is a subjective term, and you can most definitely be a god and an alien, in fact, I would say you cannot be a God without being an alien.
@goodboy6: That's really just your view of it. Some writers have a view similar to that while others do not. Its hard to say what role exactly Gaea has with regard to the earth based pantheons. Most mythologies have a creation story involving the earth but Marvel has their own lore with regard to it all and often contradicts itself from writer to writer.
I know that.they just take from mythology their names,some events and then they created their own characters.Freya,a Goddess,who is Thor's adoptive mother is then Thor's very older sister since she is a daughter of Gaea.
You seem to be struggling with the simple undeniable truth that all gods, any god, even the Christian god, is by human definitions an alien. Any lifeform not originating from earth is by definition an alien. God is a subjective term, and you can most definitely be a god and an alien, in fact, I would say you cannot be a God without being an alien.
where did you get that nonsense,no offense???
@goodboy6: That's really just your view of it. Some writers have a view similar to that while others do not. Its hard to say what role exactly Gaea has with regard to the earth based pantheons. Most mythologies have a creation story involving the earth but Marvel has their own lore with regard to it all and often contradicts itself from writer to writer.
I know that.they just take from mythology their names,some events and then they created their own characters.Freya,a Goddess,who is Thor's adoptive mother is then Thor's very older sister since she is a daughter of Gaea.
You seem to be struggling with the simple undeniable truth that all gods, any god, even the Christian god, is by human definitions an alien. Any lifeform not originating from earth is by definition an alien. God is a subjective term, and you can most definitely be a god and an alien, in fact, I would say you cannot be a God without being an alien.
where did you get that nonsense,no offense???
how about the definition of an alien, and if you think facts are nonsense you should really bow out of this argument gracefully
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
we humans called some things aliens yes,but its just a name or a definition by us,in fact this has nothing to do with Marvel.
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
we humans called some things aliens yes,but its just a name or a definition by us,in fact this has nothing to do with Marvel.
now repeat what you just said, and substitute the word god for alien
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
we humans called some things aliens yes,but its just a name or a definition by us,in fact this has nothing to do with Marvel.
now repeat what you just said, and substitute the word god for alien
dude we are talking about Marvel,not about real life.
Well if one wants to get technical about it then anything that is unfamiliar to someone can be defined as alien, though in the context of the MCU Asgardians are seen as extraterrestrials which again is technically correct as they do not originate (as far as we know at this point) from Earth. What bugs most of us though is the characterization of Asgardians as simply another race of non Earthlings with a bunch of fancy gadgetry, and the problem I have with it is that despite having all this supposed super science there hasn't been one person in all Asgard shown to truly understand exactly how it all works.
Well if one wants to get technical about it then anything that is unfamiliar to someone can be defined as alien, though in the context of the MCU Asgardians are seen as extraterrestrials which again is technically correct as they do not originate (as far as we know at this point) from Earth. What bugs most of us though is the characterization of Asgardians as simply another race of non Earthlings with a bunch of fancy gadgetry, and the problem I have with it is that despite having all this supposed super science there hasn't been one person in all Asgard shown to truly understand exactly how it all works.
finally someone who understands what I am trying to say.they should go in to Gods and magic direction not science.
Well if one wants to get technical about it then anything that is unfamiliar to someone can be defined as alien, though in the context of the MCU Asgardians are seen as extraterrestrials which again is technically correct as they do not originate (as far as we know at this point) from Earth. What bugs most of us though is the characterization of Asgardians as simply another race of non Earthlings with a bunch of fancy gadgetry, and the problem I have with it is that despite having all this supposed super science there hasn't been one person in all Asgard shown to truly understand exactly how it all works.
finally someone who understands what I am trying to say.they should go in to Gods and magic direction not science.
A little late for doing that at this point, though I guess the best they could do is throw some bit of doubt upon it having BW and Fury refer to them as gods.
Well if one wants to get technical about it then anything that is unfamiliar to someone can be defined as alien, though in the context of the MCU Asgardians are seen as extraterrestrials which again is technically correct as they do not originate (as far as we know at this point) from Earth. What bugs most of us though is the characterization of Asgardians as simply another race of non Earthlings with a bunch of fancy gadgetry, and the problem I have with it is that despite having all this supposed super science there hasn't been one person in all Asgard shown to truly understand exactly how it all works.
finally someone who understands what I am trying to say.they should go in to Gods and magic direction not science.
A little late for doing that at this point, though I guess the best they could do is throw some bit of doubt upon it having BW and Fury refer to them as gods.
yeah I know.its already over.at least they could do that.
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
you get a cookie
Sigh....a god is a alien, but is also a alien that is worshiped religiously.
we humans called some things aliens yes,but its just a name or a definition by us,in fact this has nothing to do with Marvel.
now repeat what you just said, and substitute the word god for alien
dude we are talking about Marvel,not about real life.
which means your real life expectation for what a god should be is not valid either
From my understanding, Thor and the Asgardians aren't actually gods. There powerful interdimenional being who were worshiped by ancient humans, and forced into a cycle of death and rebirth called Ragnarok by higher beings (I forgot what they were called).
From my understanding, Thor and the Asgardians aren't actually gods. There powerful interdimenional being who were worshiped by ancient humans, and forced into a cycle of death and rebirth called Ragnarok by higher beings (I forgot what they were called).
@antithetical: Yes, them. Thanks.
From my understanding, Thor and the Asgardians aren't actually gods. There powerful interdimenional being who were worshiped by ancient humans, and forced into a cycle of death and rebirth called Ragnarok by higher beings (I forgot what they were called).
they are real Gods but you are right about Those Who Sit Above In Shadow.
@goodboy6: I don't know. Them being able to be controlled by other beings tells me there not really gods. There not even really immortal, in order to extend his lifespan Thor has to yearly eat a special apple that keeps him from aging, and they may not even have those anymore sense Asgard's city was transplanted to Earth's dimension.
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