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@danhimself said:

TDKR was a really great film but at the end of the day I still liked Avengers more....Avengers really did feel like a comic book being brought to the big screen....for me Nolan's Batman movies felt more like a high end drama with Batman cut and pasted in...after thinking about it more last night I now feel like he really didn't get the character for the most part either

I think I may have mentioned this elsewhere, but with the exception of TDK (which, IMHO, felt the most 'Batman-like' of the three), this trilogy seemed to be more about Ra's and the League of Shadows than Batman. Whoever's in charge of the next movie I hope leaves them out. I'm just so burnt on them, quite frankly.

That said, TDKR was probably my favorite of the trilogy, seconded by TDK, with BB at a distant third.

actually no some marvel movies did terrible as well,for example ghost rider,it did bad,daredevil did bad as well..etc

@edge0076 said:

@danhimself said:

TDKR was a really great film but at the end of the day I still liked Avengers more....Avengers really did feel like a comic book being brought to the big screen....for me Nolan's Batman movies felt more like a high end drama with Batman cut and pasted in...after thinking about it more last night I now feel like he really didn't get the character for the most part either

I think I may have mentioned this elsewhere, but with the exception of TDK (which, IMHO, felt the most 'Batman-like' of the three), this trilogy seemed to be more about Ra's and the League of Shadows than Batman. Whoever's in charge of the next movie I hope leaves them out. I'm just so burnt on them, quite frankly.

That said, TDKR was probably my favorite of the trilogy, seconded by TDK, with BB at a distant third.

I'm hoping that they ditch the realism and do what Marvel did with the Avengers films....they didn't care if they were realistic or not they just tried to make a good interpretation of the characters

i wish they would count actual ticket unit sales ,it gives a more accurate account of how many people went to go see the movie and how well it really did.

@Grim said:

my friends keep saying that 3D and the shooting ruined the numbers, but i think thats bull. The shooting couldnt have effected even 1% of sales, and 3D isnt a selling point for people. I have only seen movies in 3D when i had to (pre-screening of Captain America at SDCC'11 and the second time i saw Avengers on a $6 dollar movie day when the normal screenings were sold out). Im fairly certain 3D didnt do much. I know many people who would turn down a movie before they paid more than the already high prices.

Nope, Avengers was just awesome.

http://collider.com/the-avengers-tickets/162231/

Two key points this site lists regarding 3D sales for Avengers:

I still think if 'Heath Ledger' hadn't died, TDK would not have made $533 millions dollars because of him?

1st place or not, it's still a better quality film than Avengers was. Marvel hasn't made a great film since Iron Man 1.

@4thhorseman said:

@Grim said:

my friends keep saying that 3D and the shooting ruined the numbers, but i think thats bull. The shooting couldnt have effected even 1% of sales, and 3D isnt a selling point for people. I have only seen movies in 3D when i had to (pre-screening of Captain America at SDCC'11 and the second time i saw Avengers on a $6 dollar movie day when the normal screenings were sold out). Im fairly certain 3D didnt do much. I know many people who would turn down a movie before they paid more than the already high prices.

Nope, Avengers was just awesome.

http://collider.com/the-avengers-tickets/162231/

Two key points this site lists regarding 3D sales for Avengers:

56% of pre-sales for MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS are from fans wanting to see the film in 3D.

Nearly 37% of pre-sales for MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS are from moviegoers buying tickets to see the film in IMAX 3D.

@Grim: The point is the prices for 3D tickets are higher. Imo 3D is stupid(they should hurry up and make holograms) but that is me. The general population however likes 3D.

@FearTheLiving: Well the shootings can affect the moviegoers in a lot of ways. For one is that those who are wearing costumes to the movie(particularly those who wear masks) are not allowed to enter some cinemas. Not to mention a lot of families do not want to watch the movie at least until a few weeks have passed. Teens might not be affected by the shooting so much(coz life is young and all) but if you are planning to watch the movie with your family, your parents will most likely not agree with you. The shooting also caused a lot of people to not want to get out of their house in general. Plus there was a lot less promotion for the movie during the weekend because of the shooting. And finally we have idiots who think that the movie is related to the death of those people and plans to boycott the movie(I'm not kidding. You just can't underestimate the stupidity of some people)

@JKnight77: Again though I don't think that the shooting took the chunk that some people are saying it did. (As in if it wasn't for the shooting DKR would have beaten Avengers) That's a pretty drastic number so I really doubt the shooting stopped all those people from seeing the movie.

As for the costume thing I also don't think anyone was soo disappointed they couldn't wear a costume they didn't go see the movie. Also if this shooting scared people to the extent of them not leaving their house.. Guess what, they probably would have been to scared already and not have seen the movie.

That's just my opinion until I at least see some numbers I just don't believe this nutjob really stopped that huge chunk of people from seeing the movie.

@BiteMe-Fanboy: @BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@Mbecks14 said:

I think it probably could've beat the Avengers if not for the shooting

yeah me too.

So your saying the shooting (which was horrible, ofcoarse) prevented TDKR from making over 40 million more dollars?

I think it kinda did...Just check out their box office record (under "Daily"). They made $75,754,897 on Friday, then $44,931,966 on Saturday after the massacre happened (R.I.P.), and $40,200,432 on Sunday. It was a 40% drop in one day.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=batman3.htm

@maruko101 said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy: @BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@Mbecks14 said:

I think it probably could've beat the Avengers if not for the shooting

yeah me too.

So your saying the shooting (which was horrible, ofcoarse) prevented TDKR from making over 40 million more dollars?

I think it kinda did...Just check out their box office record (under "Daily"). They made $75,754,897 on Friday, then $44,931,966 on Saturday after the massacre happened (R.I.P.), and $40,200,432 on Sunday. It was a 40% drop in one day.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=batman3.htm

I'm not saying it didn't affect it at all. But I seriously doubt that the shooting prevented TDKR from making almost 50 million more.

In regards to the Theater 9 Massacre...check out my hub on hubpages.com...I know the news is old but there is a cool little tidbit that I am so thankful I had the ability to add...Check it out! It's Christian Bale visiting the hurting families in Colorado...makes me want to cry...I said a special prayer for Bale and the people of Aurora....I lived in Colorado Springs during Columbine, so this all hits home for me.

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@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

Avengers only made more because of 3D ticket prices.

@FearTheLiving: It is not that they are too upset to watch the movie, rather they have to postpone it. They will have to get back home to change it if they didn't bring their normal clothes with them(chances are they didn't. You probably won't see Joker taking a sling bag would you?) And yes, too afraid to leave the house = not going to the movies.

But of course there is no proof that without the shooting, TDKR would have beaten Avengers. But I think without it TDKR would have earn another 38 mil like what they are estimating now.

@JKnight77: Pretty sure most people knew about the shooting after it happened and knew not to dress up even so the only thing they can't really wear are masks and fake weapons.

My point about the house was this type of stuff happens everyday, people who are scared to leave the house because of it were already not going to leave the house cause it happened before it and will happen after it.

It was the first day release most people who wanted to see it go see it that day estimation is exactly that an estimation to think it would have made 38 mil is silly.

@BiteMe-Fanboy:I agree with you that $50M is too much. But $35-40M more seems probable (75.7M*(1+0.9+0.81)=205M, if it weren't for the shooting).

Bottom line, TDKR is an awesome film. It's too bad that we'll never see its true box office potential.

@TheHeat: Link? Because I read somewhere that 30% of The Avengers is from 3D tickets.

@FearTheLiving: Knowing about the shooting? Yes. Knowing not to dress up in costumes? No. If they knew, why did we get reports of people not allowed into the cinema because they were wearing costumes.

Yes but does anyone really care about the similar incidents that happens every other day? Does Obama visit every victim prior to this shooting? Or do hollywood stars tweet about similar incidents before this shooting? Sure we know that these things happen daily but this shooting has a great impact on people because the media makes it a big deal.

@danhimself said:

@edge0076 said:

@danhimself said:

TDKR was a really great film but at the end of the day I still liked Avengers more....Avengers really did feel like a comic book being brought to the big screen....for me Nolan's Batman movies felt more like a high end drama with Batman cut and pasted in...after thinking about it more last night I now feel like he really didn't get the character for the most part either

I think I may have mentioned this elsewhere, but with the exception of TDK (which, IMHO, felt the most 'Batman-like' of the three), this trilogy seemed to be more about Ra's and the League of Shadows than Batman. Whoever's in charge of the next movie I hope leaves them out. I'm just so burnt on them, quite frankly.

That said, TDKR was probably my favorite of the trilogy, seconded by TDK, with BB at a distant third.

I'm hoping that they ditch the realism and do what Marvel did with the Avengers films....they didn't care if they were realistic or not they just tried to make a good interpretation of the characters

This. Exactly this.

@JKnight77: Dude your acting like this was the worse shooting ever. Columbine, V-Tec, ect. There were plenty of shootings and stuff going on long before this. The Actors and Directors are saying this because it happened at their movie of course they're going to say something hell even people not involved should be saying something it's still a tragedy. Media makes everything big hell if it didn't we wouldn't even no about celebrities who aren't even real celebrities Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton ect.

As for the costumes like I said I doubt they had to change everything as long as they're not wearing masks and not holding weapons while entering the theater. If you have link that states other wise please post it.

I'm not surprised.

@FearTheLiving: No it is not the worse shooting ever, just the most recent. People will be afraid of coming out for a few weeks and everything will be back to normal. Isn't that the normal thing that happens.

http://news.bostonherald.com/entertainment/movies/general/view/20120721amc_bans_masks_offensive_costumes_in_theaters_in_wake_of_shootings/srvc=home&position=also

While it did say mask and fake weapons are not allowed, it also said offensive costumes are not allowed as well. Whatever that means. Maybe you can't have batnipples hahaha but I'm guessing you can't have a costume that looks like it is made of kevlar(the shooters were wearing full body armor). Wait isn't the batsuit and Bane's costume made of kevlar or at least made to look like it.

And I didn't know Hayley Williams and Chris Evans starred in TDKR because they did tweet about it.

EDIT: And btw the estimation was not made by some Tom, Dick or Harry. It was a professional opinion made by people who have done this job for some time. Even if you don't think it is accurate don't you think that it is funny how the sales for TDKR drop by 41% on Saturday. Even if you don't call TDKR a masterpiece it is a good film and something like a drop of 41% in sales is just ridiculous without some external factor affecting it. A drop like this is understandable if it happens a few days later when generally everyone has watched it and chooses not to go for seconds. But this is the day after. I'm quite sure that there are still a lot of people that has not seen it even on Sunday.

@TheHeat said:

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

Well, ASM is the most successful reboot of all time.

Wrong. Dark Knight trilogy is the most successful reboot of all time.

@JKnight77: See besides the stuff I mentioned I really don't see anyone needing to change their wardrobe to go see the movie. Leave your mask and fake weapon in the car. If they have Kevlar looking vests chances are they're wearing something underneath.

Towards the other actors tweeting about it proves my point its a tragedy sure just like all other tragedies. So yeah never said they had to star in the movie to say something about it, all I was saying is sense it happened during their movie they should feel more inclined to say something.

So yeah like I said I still feel that the shooting may have swayed some people but not enough to if they went would it have taken in more then Avengers. The people who were going to see this movie saw this movie, hell I'm sure a lot of them saw it more than once. (That's just from seeing posts on Comic Vine) .

The only thing to me that has water is the fact that Avengers had 3D and TDKR didn't which is an extremely good case as to why it didn't make more money.

@4thhorseman said:

@Grim said:

my friends keep saying that 3D and the shooting ruined the numbers, but i think thats bull. The shooting couldnt have effected even 1% of sales, and 3D isnt a selling point for people. I have only seen movies in 3D when i had to (pre-screening of Captain America at SDCC'11 and the second time i saw Avengers on a $6 dollar movie day when the normal screenings were sold out). Im fairly certain 3D didnt do much. I know many people who would turn down a movie before they paid more than the already high prices.

Nope, Avengers was just awesome.

http://collider.com/the-avengers-tickets/162231/

Two key points this site lists regarding 3D sales for Avengers:

56% of pre-sales for MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS are from fans wanting to see the film in 3D.

Nearly 37% of pre-sales for MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS are from moviegoers buying tickets to see the film in IMAX 3D.

Pre-sales do not make the movie numbers alone. Out where i am, 3D is 2-4 dollars more than normal admission. If 3D was 4 dollars across the board and stayed at around 50% of the ticket sales even for day of tickets, than MAYBE it would account for the gap. But it doesnt.

see, the other thing to factor in is that Batman was being shown in Imax, which is also 2-4 dollars more than a standard depending. While i know Imax3d is close to $20 bucks, that lessens the blow. TDKR probably had a more even Imax/standard ratio than Avengers did.

The final thing is this: for Avengers in my city (Long Beach CA), you could not get ANY tickets that were not bought the day before for all of the opening weekend. If you showed up day of at 2pm, there was MAYBE one or two showings after 10 available, and they filled up with in a couple hours. TDKR? I know people who lazed on over Friday and Sunday and saw it within a couple hours. And yesterday my friend went at 5 and was irritated that her only options were expensive Imax at 530 or a 830 standard.

Avengers is hyped off of 5 years and 5(ish) movies. It was a big freaking deal. batman was the end of a franchise that was promising not only to end itself, but that we wouldnt see the greatest part of the franchise to this point return (Joker). Also, lots of people hate Anne Hathaway, and thought she was going to ruin the movie. AND Batman got a handful of negative reviews. Not allot, but enough to cause a minor backlash and get noticed.

There was allot of negativity behind TDKR before opening. THAT is what caused the win. Avengers was already accepted and it continued to dominate, while many people like me didnt think TDKR would live up to TDK or be better than Avengers... and thats a personal opinion.

@TheHeat said:

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

Well, ASM is the most successful reboot of all time.

Wrong. Dark Knight trilogy is the most successful reboot of all time.

@TheHeat said:

@sethysquare said:

@TheHeat said:

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

Well, ASM is the most successful reboot of all time.

Wrong. Dark Knight trilogy is the most successful reboot of all time.

Uh, you''re comparing 3 movies to one. How about you compare Batman Begins with ASM, and you will see ASM crushes BB.

Give it up. Batman Begins was epic. It won over the critics, sure it did not do as well financially, but I don't see ASM trilogy doing anything better than TDK trilogy.

@TheHeat said:

@sethysquare said:

@TheHeat said:

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

@sethysquare said:

@moywar700 said:

too bad nobody cared about your movie cos everyone is only talking about avengers and dark knight rises. LOL

Well, ASM is the most successful reboot of all time.

Wrong. Dark Knight trilogy is the most successful reboot of all time.

Uh, you''re comparing 3 movies to one. How about you compare Batman Begins with ASM, and you will see ASM crushes BB.

Give it up. Batman Begins was epic. It won over the critics, sure it did not do as well financially, but I don't see ASM trilogy doing anything better than TDK trilogy.

i hate being caught in quote wars.

I thought that The Dark Knight Rises was the better movie...IN NOLAN WE TRUST

@TheHeat said:

What part of "most successful" that you don't understand? You even admitted that BB "did not do as well financially". Also, ASM won over the critics too. The only complaint they had was that it was a reboot that came too early. Give it up!

BB - 85% Fresh

ASM - 74% Fresh

Also in 3 weeks domestic

Original Spider-man made $297,826,648

Amazing Spiderman made $217,724,314

So if a reduction of 80 million is most successful to you, then whatever you say. Pretty sure subsequent films wouldn't even make as Spiderman 2 and 3.

Spiderman 1 adjusted for inflation is 550 million domestic. Watch for a steep decline in this week's figures for ASM.

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=spiderman.htm

I love the original Spider-man. this new version is just not doing well, critically or financially. Batman Begins suffered from the poor Batman movies preceding it. Even adjusting for inflation Batman Begins did almost twice as much as the batman film prior to it.

TDK trilogy is the most successful reboot, critically and financially. Also TDKR is slated to be making much more than TDK.

@TheHeat said:

What part of "most successful" that you don't understand? You even admitted that BB "did not do as well financially". Also, ASM won over the critics too. The only complaint they had was that it was a reboot that came too early. Give it up!

BB - 85% Fresh

ASM - 74% Fresh

Also in 3 weeks domestic

Original Spider-man made $297,826,648

Amazing Spiderman made $217,724,314

So if a reduction of 80 million is most successful to you, then whatever you say. Pretty sure subsequent films wouldn't even make as Spiderman 2 and 3.

Spiderman 1 adjusted for inflation is 550 million domestic. Watch for a steep decline in this week's figures for ASM.

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=spiderman.htm

I love the original Spider-man. this new version is just not doing well, critically or financially. Batman Begins suffered from the poor Batman movies preceding it. Even adjusting for inflation Batman Begins did almost twice as much as the batman film prior to it.

TDK trilogy is the most successful reboot, critically and financially. Also TDKR is slated to be making much more than TDK.

I'm still sort of shocked this film has not been utterly spoiled for me yet; I have yet to see it. I know, I know; what kind of Batman fan am I? The kind with a toddler and kind friends, I guess.

@TheHeat: the dark knight made 1 billion.

@TheHeat: the dark knight made 1 billion.

Good to hear it's done well.  
 
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@The Stegman said:

It's nearly impossible to beat the Avengers given that it was released in 3D, thus the ticket prices are more expensive.

@FearTheLiving: You can't be sure they are wearing something underneath. It is the summer. And how about those who are wearing Bane's outfit? The one which is sleeveless and that you can see a bit of the chest.

And the actors tweeting about the shooting and not tweeting about other murders that happens daily caught a lot of people's attention and creating more awareness of this incident. Remember what the Joker said? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. People die in the streets everyday. So no one panics. But a massacre is not something that happens daily. And when it does happen everyone looses their mind. Not saying that this incident wasn't a tragedy but it is funny how people pay more to extraordinary deaths as if the lives of those people from that massacre is more important that those people that dies every other day. Well it is human nature I guess. My point is because this is an extraordinary incident that just happens recently it affected a number of people that causes them not to watch the movie.

But I agree with you that even without the shooting, chances are TDKR won't beat the Avengers in terms of ticket sales. If you take from the estimates the most that TDKR will make is most probably and extra 38 mil giving them 198 mil total. That is still a 10 mil difference.

@lastdrag0n89: but remember... u can have a 3d movie shown in any screen as long as its with a 3d camera

u can only show imax on an imax screen ( only one or two per movie theater) so if it was in 3d u have to take in to account how much it would make. im guessing around $215 million b/c even tho it didnt make more money than avengers it did sell more tickets n it did actually make more money than avengers on midnight screenings

why does the money matter anyway???

fast and furious made more than the godfather. does that mean its a better film??? ofcourse not.

Avengers was pretty boring. u already know how its gonna end from the beggining. TDKR has ssoooo many plot twists and robert downy jr. perfomance along with the humorous parts made the movie decent enough but rises is an epic

simply put it this way:

a movie with political undertones about occupying wall street, terrorism, the fail and fall of democracy, nuclear threats, clean energy needs, poverty and seperation of social class >>>>> iron man n acouple other people coming together and blowing stuff up

http://slumz.boxden.com/f218/dark-knight-rises-will-win-box-office-but-some-may-avoid-20-audience-reluctant-1790131/

"A poll taken by a major Hollywood market research firm showed that on Monday, 25% of moviegoers were reluctant to head to theaters but that number had declined to 20% by Thursday."

Meaning that 160 mil was for that 75% who were not reluctant to go. So if the 25% were to go for the movie, it will make 160*100/75 = 213 mil total.