Mainly cause I'm not especially happy with the DCEU Man of Steel character, and like this one better (other than the sloppy cape attachment). I also like the Supergirl world better, as well as the DC TV shows in general better. Throwing in potential crossovers with the CW-verse, and the fact that Smallville Supes never really fully happened...

I just want it... It would make me happy...

Id rather watch paint dry

Ill rather be stung my multiple tarantulahawks and bullet ants.

I'd rather watch this video in 10000000000000 loop

Yes please. Tyler was damned near perfect.

If they flesh him out, i'd be down. As he is now, the character is just the Reeve pandering incarnate. Concerning the modern Superman, he fails just as much as Cav-El does in temperament, only on the other side of the spectrum IMO. And that end is pure cheese.

It's pretty much up in the air at this point. He was received incredibly well. It's about time that a Superman sticks to what the character stands for, rather than the age old trend of the grubby hero saving the world that doesn't appreciate his sacrifices.

Nah.

Implying the Supergirl version of Superman isn't an age-old trend? Everyones' favorite superhero?

@scouterv: of course not. Being loved is older than the idea of the Clark Kent being a lovable square. Both of these stick to the character for a reason.

The difference is that one sticks to the character well.

The other is a grubby hero feeling sorry for himself.

They both seem like overused tropes, to me.

However, I prefer what you'd call "grubby" if only because it's something different for Superman, compared to the other and there's room for growth with it, as opposed to the seemingly stagnant alternative.

Narc..... he was a narc, nobody loves a narc.

He's got you there, plus using BvS as the gold standard for showing a Superman V The World storyline is like saying that if Lobdell couldn't make New 52 Superman work, nobody can. Both are overused (but to be fair, everything is overused nowadays), but one is an actual journey and can atleast try and add dynamics, while the other doesn't (by which I mean the narc version).

Like I said, I'm not denying that's the case. Superman is an old character, and he's persevered for a reason.

I know you prefer it. But, if anything, that Superman is the stagnant one. At least the Superman expreses himself properly. Being a brooding stagnant plank of wood leaves room for growth, sure. And sure, its a different direction. But that doesn't make it a quality character, or an especially memorable one in any positive way.

I fail to actually understand the word you're using, sir. And I don't think you know the definition of it either.

*snort*

I love the fact that your best argument is basically "it leads room for character development"

Before anything, really, you need a character for character development. Henry wasn't given anything to work with throughout the entire two movies he's been in. He's basically cardboard, which is ironic considering it's the same complaint about the typical Superman archetype you see Superman haters use. All you guys talked about is the fact that this Superman has room for growth in the long run, rather than talk about any memorable traits he has as a character. What that tells me is that you guys are more in-love with the "idea" and the "potential" of this Superman rather than the man himself.

This new (Tyler)Superman is square, sure, whatever. But to say that this Superman doesn't have room for character development because its plays into a version that has been around for decades is kind of oxymoronic. We literally had multiple radio shows, tv series, cartoons, and comics with this same exact character and there still have been many good story's out of all of them. Are you guys sure you know what character you're even talking about?

Yeah, I do care about the potential for Cav-El. I care about the potential for a lot of characters. If I didn't want to see what they could be, why stick around for what they are. I see no reason to stick around for Tyler as of now.

And you're right. We had a ton of material for classic, always-smiling Superman. Now ask yourself, do you want more of the same? Do you want more vanilla ice cream? Cause you can have it. It will always be there and people will consume it.

Me? I prefer Moose Tracks. I prefer something a little different.

Again. There's nothing here about Cavil's Superman character. It's all just ideas about him, instead of what you have right now.

I like Tyler, I like both Reeve and Reeves, the Max Fleischer and the Kirk Alyn, The Radio Show and The Animated Series by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini.

Yes, I do want more of Superman. Superman is awesome.

Enjoy your ice cream then.

I will.

May you also enjoy waiting for that Not-Superman you want.

Basically a straight edge who is a downer at parties. The kind of guy who in High School would give everyone shit for drinking

*snort*

I love the fact that your best argument is basically "it leads room for character development"

I like how you underplay the importance of character development Plus I never said that, my response dealt more with you disliking that public not liking Superman. I don;t care if you're ALl Star Superman, people out there should hate him or fear him. I'd believe that Superman is real over humanity not being full of spiteful pricks who have a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Even God got shit from the Jews in the desert.

Before anything, really, you need a character for character development. Henry wasn't given anything to work with throughout the entire two movies he's been in. He's basically cardboard, which is ironic considering it's the same complaint about the typical Superman archetype you see Superman haters use. All you guys talked about is the fact that this Superman has room for growth in the long run, rather than talk about any memorable traits he has as a character. What that tells me is that you guys are more in-love with the "idea" and the "potential" of this Superman rather than the man himself.

BvS was a shit show that instead of showing character progression they showed regression. If you want to make this into an other MOS debate, that's fine, but you couldn't be more wrong in saying there wasn't. You choosing to not remember the amazing but simple moments isn't proof of the movie not having any, but you claiming ignorance.

Dude.... who are you talking to? CUs it ain't me when you say things like that. My entire mantra since I've been here is that I see Superman as a man first and an icon second.

This new (Tyler)Superman is square, sure, whatever. But to say that this Superman doesn't have room for character development because its plays into a version that has been around for decades is kind of oxymoronic. We literally had multiple radio shows, tv series, cartoons, and comics with this same exact character and there still have been many good story's out of all of them. Are you guys sure you know what character you're even talking about?

The whole point of Tyler's Superman is to be the well rounded big brother who can give Kara advice. She even freakin says that he has it all figure out. As for character development, the dude got his way with the KKryptonite, a better showing of character development is that he let them have it cus he trusts them, but instead he got his way.This version isn't Bronze Age Superman, it's SIlver Age but in a modern setting.

Oh. Ok? Not sure how being corny translates to that, but whatever.

I like how you underplay the importance of character development Plus I never said that, my response dealt more with you disliking that public not liking Superman. I don;t care if you're ALl Star Superman, people out there should hate him or fear him. I'd believe that Superman is real over humanity not being full of spiteful pricks who have a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Even God got shit from the Jews in the desert.

I advise you to read it again if you think my point was underplaying character development. If you don't I'll word it here for your convenience. The argument of "one is an actual journey" while Tyler's Superman is static is laughable considering you need a character for that. Also, I never acknowledged your main argument because I never argued that BvS was some gold standard on the cynical reception Superman receives as a storyline, and in turn we should burn all other storyline. That's just you. I'm saying that being a grubby hero feeling sorry for himself for saving an ungrateful world is pretty against what Superman is.

BvS was a shit show that instead of showing character progression they showed regression. If you want to make this into an other MOS debate, that's fine, but you couldn't be more wrong in saying there wasn't. You choosing to not remember the amazing but simple moments isn't proof of the movie not having any, but you claiming ignorance.

Again. Its not character progression that claiming is lacking. It's character in general. He's pretty one-note.

Dude.... who are you talking to? CUs it ain't me when you say things like that. My entire mantra since I've been here is that I see Superman as a man first and an icon second.

Sure dude

The whole point of Tyler's Superman is to be the well rounded big brother who can give Kara advice. She even freakin says that he has it all figure out. As for character development, the dude got his way with the KKryptonite, a better showing of character development is that he let them have it cus he trusts them, but instead he got his way. This version isn't Bronze Age Superman, it's SIlver Age but in a modern setting.

I don't find anything about this that actually address my point.

I'm not arguing about Tyler Superman's character development at all.

And yes, he quite does strike me as very Kirk Alyn-ish, George Reeves, Silver Age Superman. So what?

It's just a meaner way of saying Dork or nerd, when you say dorky it sounds cute

I advise you to read it again if you think my point was underplaying character development.

I addressed both in different sections. That sentence still sounds like your underplaying it and you even spilt them up so they don't feel like your trying to get one point across.

If you don't I'll word it here for your convenience. The argument of "one is an actual journey" while Tyler's Superman is static is laughable considering you need a character for that. Also, I never acknowledged your main argument because I never argued that BvS was some gold standard on the cynical reception Superman receives as a storyline, and in turn we should burn all other storyline. That's just you. I'm saying that being a grubby hero feeling sorry for himself for saving an ungrateful world is pretty against what Superman is.

Your original statement wasn't this fleshed out and you simply said you don't wanna see that storyline. Not that you don't wanna see it again, but just that you don't wanna see it period.. In the end, there are a lot of misunderstandings on both sides due to lack of explanation and phrasing.

Again. Its not character progression that claiming is lacking. It's character in general. He's pretty one-note.

And I saw many shades, but we'll just have to agree to disagree since we obviously saw different movies.

Sure dude

Glad you agree

I don't find anything about this that actually address my point.

I'm not arguing about Tyler Superman's character development at all.

And yes, he quite does strike me as very Kirk Alyn-ish, George Reeves, Silver Age Superman. So what?

It does actually, you say that there will be or can be room for character development, but the show is saying otherwise. That's not his purpose. Can there be? Sure, but the writers, the show and the fact that he's only guest star (recurring role at best), say otherwise.

Silver Age Superman wasn't known for his character development. In fact,they made Supergirl the reckless teen because they didn't wanna tarnish the saintly iconic image of Superman they had going at the time. You brought up how there has been character development with a dorky Superman, but the Golden and Silver age aren't exactly when that took place. That's my point

How bout a MMH show?

@nerevarine_11: That's entirely too interesting for a CW show.

Sure let's get a Batman show too...and drop the "Commissioner Gordon show"! Wait wrong thread!

DC and CW must stand for "Don't Coordinate" and "Can't Write". Seriously, how is marvel so Coordinated and DC is so disjointed, that their crossover with Supergirl was Flash from a different universe ... Granted it would be a nightmare trying to Piece together all these DC realities at this point.

I actually liked this Superman better than Henry's. I would like for him to get his own show! This show has a very classic feel like the "Lois and Clark" show (and from what I recall from the Superboy shows), in that's it's light sided, a lot like the original movies. It's the Superman we deserve and need!

Not to bash Henry...

@manny_int: ok that's a bit far for me.

After some period of doubts I’ve decided to give it a chance and watch those Supergirl’s episodes with Ho-El, cause, well, who knows, it might be good…

Two conclusions.

First. After watching Supergirl S1 and premier episodes of S2 I realized that, despite my serious dislike for 6-10 Seasons of it, Smallville may as well be Oscar-worthy TV-show.

Second. I would rather see Nic Cage as Superman than Hoechlin.

I don't want to see anything from this cancerous show get a spin-off.

A spin-off about Superman? I would like to see a TV show about Superman, but it's unlikely, that will be.