@Icarusflies: @Icarusflies said:

@FadeToBlackBolt: There's a difference between spoilers when one hasn't read an issue that's already come out, and coming into a thread to discuss an issue that HASN'T come out. Looks like it doesn't really matter at this point though...

You have a point. I mean, who knows what will really happen in the final issue?

@PunyParker: Ha,HaSins PastHa,Ha,Ha,Ha

@DinoBotLog1 said:

@Icarusflies: @Icarusflies said:

@FadeToBlackBolt: There's a difference between spoilers when one hasn't read an issue that's already come out, and coming into a thread to discuss an issue that HASN'T come out. Looks like it doesn't really matter at this point though...

You have a point. I mean, who knows what will really happen in the final issue?

Dan Slott?

@Strider92 said:

Dan Slott?

When we are mentioning ourselves,we are ending the phrase with a full-stop "." not with a question mark "?" ,Dan...

@laflux said:

@PunyParker: Ha,HaSins PastHa,Ha,Ha,Ha

Fuck-the fuck-off!

Cruel man...

@PunyParker: Stop trying to blow my cover god damnit!

@Strider92:

By the way, what is going to happen in Avenging Spiderman???? Is it ending too, or will Ock be Spidey in that too????????????

Have you guys head about the leaked images or does anyone need to be filled in?

@PunyParker: Watch the language, please.

@god_spawn: ok sorry..

@HushoftheWind said:

Lets just "If." "If" Ock does indeed have have control of Pete's body with his memories and morals, shouldn't Ock feel guilty for what he is doing? I mean "If" Ock does be Superior Spider-Man, wouldn't that just be selfish on his part? All this just comes off to quite sloppy story telling. i thought that it would have been better if Pete would have gotten his body and still retaining his genius memories + doc ocks, instead vice versa. wow just wow.

Woah, that would have been pretty cool!!! If Pete got his body back, but realized that Ock was still in his brain that would have been pretty sweet I think!!!!!!! I really wish that that happened and not the other way around, but I guess I trust Dan Slott... I mean, he has done an awesome job so far..... And he says it's going to be good, so it probably will........ But I just can't stand the thought of Pete being defeated by such a horrible man in such a horrible way... I hope this doesn't last for too long, because evil is not supposed to overpower good.... It's just not the way it's supposed to go.... And even if Ock DOES turn good from having Pete's memories and morals present in his mind, and acts like Spidey and stuff, it still won't be the same without Pete.................................................................................................................................................................................................

@Earth616: Agreed. Marvel seems to think it is the suit we care about, but in fact it is Peter and his soapopera of a life that keep many interested.

Quick question, what happened to Morbius in ASM 699.1? I haven't read that one yet

@Dalwih:

He escapes from the raft. He has a series of flashbacks where his origens is explained. It is just setting the stage for his solo series.

What's going to happen to Avenging Spiderman??? Will it end too???????????

@Earth616: As far as I know, it's continuing.

Here are links to issue 15.1 & issue 16

and according to Slott only read 15.1 after reading 700

so it either ock or they both die?

@animehunter Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Shinjiro15 ... I think drawing conclusions from these spoiler is not a good idea. We all saw some clifangers at the end of an issue in we know that there is 15.1 happening after 700.

And we all seen some character die and come back in an other form : Superman dying at the end of doomsday, Batman dying in Final crisis, Spiderman dying after fighting Morlun, Kaine being killed by Kraven. Just wait and see.

Maybe Peter will have a "the other" moment" even if he is in Ock body. After all Kaine had one of this moment and he is only a clone. So peter being in an other body doesn't seem to be an obstacle

and we don't know if Pete really was in OCk' body at that time

@pulseangel666: Okay, thanks. I was thinking perhaps he's tied into the Superior Spider-man

hope u guys enjoy even moooooooooooore spidey

i just finished reading spider man 700 and i'm not going to read any spider man story until the real peter parker is back thank you very much dan

Cancel your subscriptions to Spider-Man or you are no better than a child murderer.

The way Slott handled the issue was better than I was expecting. I had read that Doc Ock had always wanted to be the hero so Peter was ok with it but that's not what happened. Ock wanted to be the bad guy but Peter forced him to basically live all of Peter's memories and basically reprogram Doc Ock. Ock even said he didn't want to be a good guy and he couldn't understand how Peter had endured all he had endured because of the great power and great responsibility. I even enjoyed the last moment when Ock lifted up Pete so he could see his loved ones one last time before he died. With all that said, I think it was a stupid move because Spiderman isn't just about a costume or power and responsibility, it's about Peter and who he is. Ultimately, the bad guy won. Not reading a Spiderman comic until this gets rectified.

If that's the case, then I am no longer interested in reading Superior Spider-man, because to me there is only one Spider-man and that is Peter Parker, and to see Doc Ock take over the mantle as well as the relationship with Mary Jane REALLY does not sit will with me, it actually turns my stomach, I would have said something harsher but I have to hold back what I really felt.

So until Peter returns, I definitely won't be reading any Superior Spider-man issues.

Dan Slott, you sir have really dropped the ball and you are most assuredly off my Christmas list. AND I totally believe you just committed career suicide.

wher did you read the comic?

Dan Slott is my favorite writer

Peter parker is my favorite Character of all time

Id like to say now that until peter parker is back Dan Slott is as good as gone in my head as well. I watched the podcast with him and I find it hard to believe Slott would even be near considering this his greatest story of all time. Killing peter takes balls but what takes bigger balls is to do it while putting his worst enemy in his body to bang his ex wife, play child with his aunt, and play hero with his world.

I'm not even going to pick up 700. I'll open it up to make sure the spoiler was right if it is I will proceed to put it back down and let the owner of my local shop I'm dropping anything with spiderman in it.

Call me fan boy, call me what ever, because I do not care at all. Peter Parker is why I read spiderman and I'm sure he is why most people read spiderman.

"It's comics things always go back" well that doesn't matter it's like taking a dump on a person then saying come on it will wash off. No screw you, you can't take a dump on me Slott. I refuse to imagine this happened. I pray that sales for super spiderman are so low they have no choice but to can the series and revert to peter being spidey.

Sorry Slott but me and you are over to many creators out there I can read instead, to many comics coming out every week, I can't read a story by a person who thinks that was a good idea, just no.

I'll still read ASM 700 to regardless if this is the ending or not and I'll probably still buy SSM because I am interested in how he will handle the mantle of the spider. Personally I see the mantle in the same regard as the mantle of the bat..not anyone can just step in those shoes. He might just break down for all we know. Dick took the bat mantle and made it work but went through pure hell and eventually gave it up.(I know creators choice but still made some sense). Anyway if you really think about it and look at the mask the eyes kinda gave me a Doc Ock googles feel to it and also the name Superior....only someone with a huge ego who thinks he's sooo smart that he's all-that-with-a-bag-of-chips-and-a-soda-on the-side attitude would call himself that...i.e..Doc Ock. I can't wait for the Marvel universe reactions if he's really Ock they will tear him apart lol. On a side it seems like Slott's excuse to write his own Spider-Man stories. Your work better with your creations then you do with other peoples toys. Can't wait honestly

my biggest problem right now isn't that Peter was replaced by Ock but that Peter was killed....I don't think this is the ending that Peter deserved at all...after everything that he's been through and done he deserved better than to die and be replaced by his greatest villain...he deserved to retire on a tropical resort or something along those lines...not death

@danhimself said:

my biggest problem right now isn't that Peter was replaced by Ock but that Peter was killed....I don't think this is the ending that Peter deserved at all...after everything that he's been through and done he deserved better than to die and be replaced by his greatest villain...he deserved to retire on a tropical resort or something along those lines...not death

^This

And I won't buy superior, I'll start buying it the day DD, Logan, Johnny, Kaine, MJ, aunt May, Julia, or any of Spidey's friends notice this and kill the **** out of Otto and bring Peter back. What kind of ending is this for a character that has literally gave up pretty much everything to be a good person.

I would like to add, this better not take a whole year (6 months tops) before returning to how things should be.

What if a telepath read fake Spider-Man's mind and found out Doc Ock was pretending to be him.The telepath accidentally erases Doc Ock's memory leaving Doc Ock into believing he's Peter Parker.

Yeah, i can see Carlie being a major figure in the books ahead since Pete(in ock's body) told her he was. C'MOOOOON CARLIE!!!!

@camstevens80 said:

The way Slott handled the issue was better than I was expecting. I had read that Doc Ock had always wanted to be the hero so Peter was ok with it but that's not what happened. Ock wanted to be the bad guy but Peter forced him to basically live all of Peter's memories and basically reprogram Doc Ock. Ock even said he didn't want to be a good guy and he couldn't understand how Peter had endured all he had endured because of the great power and great responsibility. I even enjoyed the last moment when Ock lifted up Pete so he could see his loved ones one last time before he died. With all that said, I think it was a stupid move because Spiderman isn't just about a costume or power and responsibility, it's about Peter and who he is. Ultimately, the bad guy won. Not reading a Spiderman comic until this gets rectified.

THE FACT THAT PETER OCK BRAGGED ABOUT THE WIN OVER PETE IN AVENGING DIDN'T HELP THE WOUND EITHER!? I WANTED TO THROW MY LAPTOP!!! JIM-MINNIE CHRISTMAS!! (trying not to swear, but GOSH DARN it Moderators the FLIPPING pain is killing me).

Oh yeah, and to frustrate anyone else... Mary Jane tells Ock/Peter that she still loves him. That was just a twist of the knife.

Lol this thread. Why so butthurt?

Well, as someone who is tired of reading the same old rehashed stories over and over, this story was a positive surprise. I'm starting to read Spider-Man again.

Avenging Spiderman is terrible. It's just Ock gloating that he won and killed Parker. Who thought people wanted to see a Doc Ock comic book was an idiot. He's not good enough to have his own comic so they had to give him Spider Man's powers and book to make him seem even a tad bit interesting. Slott isn't a Spider-Man fan, he's a Doc Ock fan. What a goober.

All hail the Superior Spider-Man

I have to say that now i've seen 700 in context Superior is actually looking pretty damn good!

Hmm... I still don't know how I feel about this, but I'll give Superior Spider-Man a shot anyway.

Bet this make people miss Ben Reilly REAL BAD.

That being said, Sure I don't like this whatsoever but I am interested in seeing where it is going.

I like Dan Slott's writing and if anything this makes me interested in how long Otto can keep up the charade. If DD 22 is any indication then perhaps he cant do it for very long.

@SmashBrawler said:

Hmm... I still don't know how I feel about this, but I'll give Superior Spider-Man a shot anyway.

This. It is not so much Spidey I care about, it is Peter. When you are a kid it is Spidey and the cool action you like. It still is when you get older but Peters life becomes more interesting and you kind of releate to the guy.

I'm still kinda disappointed, though. I was expecting something... bigger.

Anyone get the new DD with SSM in it?

I think that the handling of Peter's demise is more than a little insulting to long-term fans (if, indeed, the leaked images are to be believed), but it is a good way to drum up controversy, get some attention and maybe even increase sales for a bit when everyone flocks to see how their most beloved hero receives a dignified and deserved ending. I do wonder how this strategy will play off in the long-run though; new fans drawn in by the ASM movie are unlikely to be interested in a series about Doc Ock, while it seems that the majority of older fans are going to drop Spidey books as well, seeing as how they aren't really Spidey books anymore. It's relatively easy these days to read comics without paying for them, and I don't see much reason to support Marvel financially if they are happy to let their fans "fade away" on a whim.

I strongly suspect there's a bigger plan at work, regarding the character of Peter Parker though. Guys like Slott can't possibly be so arrogant as to believe that the franchise is no longer a business that depends on fans buying the product, but their own personal playground to write the stories only they find appealing (with fans apparnently being an optional factor). Maybe he thinks that this fan outcry will not effect sales, as was the case with Death of Spider-Man in Ultimate, and Brand New Day.

@camstevens80 said:

The way Slott handled the issue was better than I was expecting. I had read that Doc Ock had always wanted to be the hero so Peter was ok with it but that's not what happened. Ock wanted to be the bad guy but Peter forced him to basically live all of Peter's memories and basically reprogram Doc Ock. Ock even said he didn't want to be a good guy and he couldn't understand how Peter had endured all he had endured because of the great power and great responsibility. I even enjoyed the last moment when Ock lifted up Pete so he could see his loved ones one last time before he died. With all that said, I think it was a stupid move because Spiderman isn't just about a costume or power and responsibility, it's about Peter and who he is. Ultimately, the bad guy won. Not reading a Spiderman comic until this gets rectified.

Wait, are people already getting their hands on #700?

@gridde said:

Wait, are people already getting their hands on #700?

Yes, that's why so many of us are commenting on it. Read this:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/18/delayed-comics-mixed-in-with-tomorrows-comics/

I haven't bought it, though. Only read it.

Where did you guys read asm 700 or avenging 15?