Is she a match for Franklin Richards or Mad Jim Jaspers...

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#1 Posted by PrinceKelly2010 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

The Scarlet Witch Warpedthe 616 Reality into The House Of M, then she depower 99% of the world mutants jsut by saying three words, Frankcreate his own universe and planets and Mad Jim Jaspers warped his entire universe, so is she still a match for them and is she around the same scale of power

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#2 Posted by The Scientist (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank is the upper tier thats for sure, but only when he wasnt aware of it (as a kid) the more he started to learn how to control it the weaker his abilities got

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#3 Posted by PrinceKelly2010 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

So do you think she could be him or at least go toe to toe with him for a while........

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#4 Posted by The Scientist (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Well she wouldnt be able to blink him out of existence without him wanting it to happen. No.

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#5 Posted by PrinceKelly2010 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

What about Jasper's........

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#6 Posted by King Saturn (220482 posts) - - Show Bio
Hmmm... I dont know if Scarlett Witch can handle Mad Jim Jaspers...
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#7 Posted by xerox_kitty (17340 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't Franklin one of those depowered by Scarlet Witch?

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#8 Posted by Maelstrom (4587 posts) - - Show Bio

Franklin's powers 'disappeared' way before M-Day. Given Marvel's Sliding Timeline I don't know how long before. Regardless, he lost them when he and the older version of Valeria used their combined powers to bring back to life the Galactus of an alternate reality in order to imprison Abraxas again.

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#9 Posted by geraldthesloth (32689 posts) - - Show Bio

no way

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#10 Posted by Djinn (864 posts) - - Show Bio

uummm, franklin still has his powers, there locked in his brain but i dont think scarlet can beat franklin or jim jaspers, and the strongest out of those is franklin

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#11 Posted by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio

Not even if she had full control of her powers could she approach MJJ's level. Franklin... I dunno, toss a coin. They both suck at controlling/having their powers.

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#12 Edited by PrinceKelly2010 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

I thnik she would at least last a while... Here is some examples of what she has done...
>sustains atmosphere inside the moon base after a hole is blown in it
>works a hex in order to keep a floundering jet from sinking any further
>forms a hex sphere which absorbs the full destructive power of Black Bolt’s scream into itself
>casts a specific and focused hex that causes the Recorder’s body to rapidly break down as if it had endured five thousand years of “wear and tear” over a period of a mere five seconds
>transmutes War Machine’s armor into pure iron
>causes a foe to burst into flame
>draws water up from an underground river and causes it to erupt in large geisers to douse a fire
>causes the river to surge into a wave and splash the Enchantress
>banishes all oxygen from the vicinity of a Blood Brother, almost causing him to pass out
>transforms a magnetized barrier composed of metal shards into a field made of harmless flowers
>animate wood and trees to attack, fire mystical force bolts, and create a massive storm casting down torrential rain, hailstones, and more lightning bolts on her victims
>materializes animated cubes of reality to project the recent past
>utters the words “No More Mutants”, restoring reality to what it was before but depowering 90-95% of Earth’s mutant population
>creates a pocket reality in her room where she was married and birthing children
>creates several fake Avengers to respond to the crisis at the mansion, among them Quicksilver
>creates a Kree armada to attack the gathered Avengers
>takes control of the Vision's synthezoid mind and forces him to crash a Quinjet into Avengers Mansion

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#13 Posted by AngelFrost (2850 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, Wanda seems very powerful!

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#14 Posted by IcePrince_X (5092 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, I do not think so.

These two guys are overtly powerful eventhough Wanda can give them at least a bit of an ouch before she gets liquidated.

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Franklin Richards is a mutant with vast psionic powers. His abilities are so great that he can create "pocket" universes in alternate realities. (A "pocket" universe is a cosmos that does not equal our own in size.) When Franklin achieves the conscious use of his full powers, he will have telepathic powers, tremendous telekinetic powers, the ability to fire enormously powerful energy blasts, and the ability to rearrange the molecular structure of matter, even up to a cosmic scale. Franklin Richards has imposed mental blocks within his own mind to prevent him from using most of his psionic potential while he is still such a young child. It is possible that the strength of these blocks has faded over time, or that they cannot prevent him from utilizing his full powers unconsciously, as he did in creating the alternate reality to which he dispatched his parents and others following their clash with Onslaught. The mental blocks also work only when Franklin is in his physical body; his astral form can apparently use all of his psionic potential if it has separated from his physical form.The mental blocks did not restrict Franklin from using his precognitive abilities, which manifest themselves in his dreams, enabling him to envision possible future events. Although there are countless possible futures, Franklin foresees the most probable future path, and therefore his predictions usually come true. Franklin seemingly cannot foresee events more than roughly a few days in the future. Franklin's precognitive power developed to the point at which he could see images of future events even when he's conscious.Franklin also developed the ability to place himself in a trance-like state while remaining fully conscious. While he is in this trance, he can project an intangible, ghostlike image of himself to another location, through which he can see and hear what goes on at that location. What Franklin has called the "dreams" he has while in this state are not truly dreams, but his conscious awareness of the environment into which he has projected his "dream-self." It is not yet known how far Franklin can project his "dream-self" away from his physical body, but he has projected it onto a planet while his physical body was in a starship high above the planet's surface.

Franklin is an Omega-level mutant possessing vast psionic powers. According to Roma, in heroes return Franklin's power is equal to that of the Celestials. These powers have manifested as telepathy, telekinesis, energy blasts of concussive force (in adulthood), precognition, astral projection, and reality manipulation -- the ability to make a thought or desire a reality. However, being a child, his abilities are restricted to an extent by his limited control -- at any given moment his powers could spawn the unthinkable with something less than a thought, or risk temporary depletion if overly exerted.In terms of unrealized potential, Franklin was generally considered for years to be the most powerful mutant in the Marvel Universe surpassing even Charles Xavier and Magneto.It is implied Franklin may possess some form of (possibly hereditary) superhuman intellect, as thought by the Thing, who was greatly surprised that a mere seven-year old was able to come up with the idea of consulting the prisoners for aid, and attributes this to being the son of Reed Richards. This is also possibly connected with residues of Franklin’s immense mental powers. Sir James Jaspers is, without a doubt, one of most powerful beings in the Marvel universe, with the power to warp reality. The less powerful Earth-238 version of Jaspers was able to warp his entire universe beyond recognition to such a degree that it became necessary to destroy the Earth-238 timeline completely just to stop the Jaspers' Warp from spreading to other universes. From what Merlyn hinted during his telepathic alert to Captain Britain, the more powerful Earth-616 Jaspers was an omniversal scale threat whose power would continue to grow and develop on an exponential rate:

Mad Jim Jaspers has vast, nigh-omnipotent reality warping powers almost on a cosmic scale. He can restructure matter and energy on an enormous scale and bend and distort space to create tesseract spaces which are far larger than what would otherwise fit into a three dimensional space. He can warp and disrupt the laws of physics to make entire universes unsuitable for life if left unchecked. A feature that Jaspers has been shown himself to be capable of is to readily alter his own form and stature, an ability which has not been often utilized by other mutant reality warpers, with the exception of young Franklin Richards, who previously willed himself to take on the form of the messianic like adult figure known as Avatar, as seen in Fantastic Four # 245. At one time Jaspers had altered his own stature to become a giant and was holding Captain Britain between two of his fingers as if he were an ant. During his battle with the Fury, he altered his own form to change into completely different lifeforms and even non-living objects while maintaining his own human mind. He reanimated his entire body after having been fried into an empty skeleton by the Fury, which might imply, alongside with the shape- and stature-altering that he was partially supernatural and could reform from almost nothing. He has been able to easily resurrect dead characters and create his own sentient lifeforms.

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#16 Posted by geraldthesloth (32689 posts) - - Show Bio

I take this back..she can beat franklin but still no jaspers

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#17 Posted by Mad Mat Monday (1 posts) - - Show Bio

This is my opinion but I do not think anyone is equal to Mad Jim Jaspers. remember Mad jim is a combonation of Sir jim jaspers and Fury. and Fury was the only thing able to kill Sir jim but teleport outside or the universe. 
i can't remember how but Jim jasper from was reformed in the recreated earth 238 timeline and merged with Fury creating Mad Jim jaspers. Making what  in my opinion 
   is an unbeatable Charater equaled only by Thanos wearing the infinity gaunlet
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#18 Posted by cracks (6974 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mad Mat Monday: When Franklin gets older, he might be able to defeat Jaspers.
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#19 Posted by chunjacktao (330 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah, Jaspers is still stronger than both scarlet witch and franklin.

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#20 Posted by Preacherl2k (472 posts) - - Show Bio
If the following is true about her Powers then I say absolutely!
Chaos Magic Reality Warping: Scarlet Witch's main power is the superhuman ability to manipulate chaos magic, given to her by the demon Chthon (imprisoned within Wundagore Mountain) when she was born. Her hexes were, by extension, simple, indirect manifestations of this magic, destabilizing probabilities by inducing chaos. The Scarlet Witch's powers are not fully under her conscious control, and their effects persist even after Dr. Strange's Eye of Agamotto shut down her mind. Even the combined efforts of the Sorcerer Supreme and Earth's most formidable psychic mind were unable to fully inhibit such effects for long. Wanda was even able, in the main reality, to generate armies from nowhere and revive Wonder Man from another plane of existence. Her powers were sought by Camelot's mistress of the mystic arts, Morgan le Fay, to bridge the gap between le Fay's faerie magics and the Asgardian Twilight Sword and restructure reality in the conniving witch's own twisted image. There seem to be no limits to her powers during House of M, as she was easily able to alter the entire Earth-616 reality at will, and is also altering reality on a near-multiversal scale, permanently shifting the nature of all possible futures of Marvel, without even realizing what she had done, though certain of her victims have claimed to be able to discern the difference between reality and her spells. Wanda was also shown to easily wipe any in her own illusory reality from existence with but a thought (the first two using her children, if possibly accidentally, as power conduits), even Veranke, Clint Barton and Nuke. Maximoff appeared capable of even causing the loss of 98% of the mutant population and the deletion of the Mutant Genome created by the near-omnipotent Celestials, her powers barely blocked by the joined forces of the Sorcerer Supreme and the strongest psychic mind on Earth, and even then only very partially so. Doctor Strange also states to Beast that Wanda's one spell is of such complexity and strength that it has woven itself into reality and the world of magic itself, and that if he were to even to try to reverse it, all of reality would implode; the spell Wanda cast also affects even the alternate realities, strongly implying she was of sufficient power to permanently change the Multiverse itself, which is nearly unprecedented, even by cosmic entities. Furthermore, in a reality diverging from the House of M's concluding events, "What If Scarlet Witch Ended the House of M event by saying No More Powers?", Wanda Maximoff is shown to display an even greater extent of power to remove at least all of Earth's super-humans of all their personal abilities, including breaking the connection a Sorcerer Supreme has with the mystic arts, canceling cosmic-energy based powers, such as that of the Fantastic Four, stripping all the world's mutants of their variety of powers and eliminating powers caused by irradiation on a cellular level or by gamma-ray blood transfusions, as well as revealing and de-powering all the concealed Skrulls on Earth and all Inhumans, including Black Bolt on Earth's moon. Wanda is even capable of healing the severely damaged legs of Charles Xavier while all his Earth and alien friends, allies and colleagues's efforts (including even giving Xavier a new body) apparently failed for countless years. Wanda Maximoff of the mainstream reality is actually considered the very "nexus-being" of the central universe of Earth-616, serving as the entity that personifies the realm's character and serves as the focal point or anchor of that reality (Uatu described a nexus-being as one of the "rare individual entities with the power to affect probabilities-and thus the future"), making her along the scales of class and power as the other known nexus-beings, such as Merlin, Sise-Neg, Kang the Conqueror and Leonard Tippit; Franklin Richards, Vision, Jean Grey/Phoenix, and Odin (those last four from alternate Earths), with Eleyn another nexus being from the Dan Abnett Scarlet Witch mini-series. As the spell causing Decimation only affected mutant-based powers, not mystic-based ones, in all logic, Wanda is still perfectly capable of wielding magic, even if her mutant hex-powers have been removed; even a normal human would hold some magical potential. Wanda's ability to channel and wield magical energy was brought about by the demonic sorcerer Chthon. On the day that Wanda was born, the ghostly specter of Chthon visited the newborn Wanda and "blessed" Wanda so that Wanda could channel the dangerous Chaos Magic that was the basis for Chthon's unholy might. Chthon's intentions were to create a vessel that he could possess one day, when Wanda was a full-grown adult, though his schemes to do so were foiled by the Avengers. As such, due to Chthon's "blessing", Wanda is also vulnerable to having all of her powers disabled if Chthon is ever disrupted. During the period in which pages from Chthon's sacred tome, the Darkhold, were scattered across the globe, Wanda's powers were periodically disabled -- with her being left powerless in several dangerous battles against various super-villains -- until several of the missing pages were restored to the book. Although this particular plot thread was stated by Agatha Harkness who was reanimated by Wanda. How much of it is true and how much of it is more unconscious manifestations of the Scarlet Witch's reality manipulation is up to the reader's preference.  
Hex Bolts: Initially, the Scarlet Witch had the ability to manipulate probability via her "hexes" (often manifesting physically as "hex spheres" or "hex bolts"). These hexes are relatively short range, and are limited to her line of sight. Casting a hex requires a gesture and concentration on her part, though the gestures are largely a focus for the concentration. Early in her career, her hexes were unconscious on her part, and would be automatically triggered whenever she made a particular gesture, regardless of her intent. These hexes would only manifest "bad luck" effects. She later gained enough control over her powers that her powers only work when she wants them to, and they are not limited to negative effects. She can use her hexes to light flammable objects, contain or remove air from a particular volume, deflect objects, stop the momentum of projectiles, open doors, explode objects, create force fields and deflect magical attacks. Her powers while beginning to unveil a higher potential appeared capable of prevailing against the mastered mystical ones of Dormammu in his own Dark Dimension when she and the Avengers fought against him for Avalon's Evil Eye power-object, albeit indirectly by disrupting the energies of Dormammu and the Eye. They have been known to alter the molecular composition and physical state of physical objects, negate or distort physical laws, and to cause various forms of energy to spontaneously appear or disappear. She has an affinity with natural elements and phenomena, stemming largely from her magical training under Agatha Harkness, and has trained often at using her hexes to deflect projectiles or to cause enemies to stumble or otherwise suffer the effects of "bad luck". Ultimately, the hexes are not under the Witch's direct control, although she can influence the nature of their effects with great concentration and effort. This makes her one of the few Avengers that Ultron fears; his adamantium shell cannot repel magic. She has displayed the ability to cancel Longshot and Domino's powers of probability and has also once turned Longshot into a cat.
Flight: Wanda has recently portrayed the ability to fly, though even prior to her mental collapse she has inexplicably demonstrated such an ability. The full extent to this ability is unknown. Loki in disguise: * Teleportation: She has recently been seen teleporting herself and numerous other persons across distant locations from oceans and foreign countries.
Astral Projection: Wanda can project an astral form across undefined distances. Abilities Expert Knowledge of Sorcery: Wanda was trained by Agatha Harkness in witchcraft. Her sorceress training has not given her a set of powers separate from her mutant abilities, but only honed her control over her existing abilities. She has, however, a special affinity for the natural elements and materials that witches utilize in their spells: the four alchemical elements, wood, organic substances, etc. 
Expert Combatant: Wanda has also been trained in hand-to-hand combat by both Captain America and Hawkeye. 
Expert Tactician: When sane, the experience and leadership skills that come from years of active duty as an Avenger.
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#21 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (6170 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump. I have a question. Was all of Wandas HOUSE OF M powerset and crazy flying and shooting magic beams and the vast reality warping because of chaos magic?

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#22 Posted by WARLOCK2792 (18068 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Bump. I have a question. Was all of Wandas HOUSE OF M powerset and crazy flying and shooting magic beams and the vast reality warping because of chaos magic?


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#23 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (6170 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Bump. I have a question. Was all of Wandas HOUSE OF M powerset and crazy flying and shooting magic beams and the vast reality warping because of chaos magic?


Thanks, and Von Doom has all those powers now? Evidently HOM Scarlet Witch was like a Top 10 most powerful character in Marvel. This should be GOOOOOOD

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#24 Posted by jhazzroucher (20514 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Scarlet can win against Franklin and Mad Jim Jaspers.

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#25 Posted by The_Greatest_Username (243 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd prefer her not to be a match for those two. Those ridiculious power levels she displayed in the HoM should stay there.

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#26 Posted by pwnda (67 posts) - - Show Bio

If Marvel is going to put Wanda vs the entire phoenix force, she may arguably be above or at the same level as an adult franklin richards, I dont think Wanda at her most powerful plus Adult Franklin at his most powerful could defeat Mad Jim Jaspers .

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#27 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (4531 posts) - - Show Bio

She can't beat them without access to the Life Force/Chaos Magic. Her typical power levels are unreliable for that type of feat.

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#28 Posted by Redberry (818 posts) - - Show Bio

Depending on the writer, it could go either ways with Scarlet Witch. Reality warpers are hard to define. I think she still has her life force power or else she shouldn't be able to defeat 2 phoenixes by herself. They did say Wanda's power has some connection with phoenix. Phoenix is the power of all life while Wanda's power called life force. It's hard to say they are not related.

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