Can Wolverine's claws cut through MC's shields? If so, how easily? That's where the real debate is at.

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Personally I'd say yes. Maybe. I mean Plasma swords can do it. As for how well, I think they could give Wolverine trouble given they act as a good buffer between Wolverine's claws and MC's armor and since they can recharge MC can play a good game of keep away to avoid any real damage from hits.

We'll wait for the debate and see. Personally for me, I think it would take a couple hits at minimum. While the Plasma Sword can cut through the shield, I think it has to do something with the Covenant Technology and the MJOLNIR shields being reverse engineered from Jackal shielding.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Ah, didn't know about that. Thanks.

Well it does take minimum hits from 5+ ton elites to get through his shields (Wolverine is a 2 tonner at best) but what makes it hard to decide is because of Adamantiums properties.

Adamantium is like a mono molecular blade and those one shot shields usually.

I personally think Wolverine could cut MC shields. It won't go through it like butter, but some slashing will eventually break it.

Basically what I'm thinking so far. And that gives MC quite an edge here.

@wolverine08 said:

I agree. I think after a prolonged time of his claws making contact, the shields would need some time to recharge. The problem is if Chief is going to let Logan do that. Really excited for this battle.

This should be a pretty good battle. I only have rudimentary knowledge on Chief's abilities so I might have to go read up on his ComicVine page.

It ends like this no matter what ---> http://www.factpile.com/4991-master-chief-versus-wolverine/

Master Chief versus Wolverine

John made his way down the gravel road, with large banks of rock piled along the sides and higher than John’s shoulders. An eyewitness working at the quarry spotted what is now believed to be an unknown Covenant species. Spartan Blue team was sent to capture this Covenant. After a week, John ordered his team to head out by themselves to cover more ground. Even still, they found nothing; so Blue team is now walking in the open, trying to bait the creature.

“Blue team, report in,” John ordered.

“Sierra-104, all clear,” Fred reported.

“Sierra-087, rocks,” Kelly called in.

“Sierra-047, nuthin,” Will grunted.

“Sierra-058, scope’s clear sir,” Linda reported.

“Roger Blue’s. Keep your guard up. This thing may be tracking us as we speak,” John cautioned. It wasn’t that John was worried, his team was up to the job; but if this sighting was correct, some unknown Covenant was on Earth and the Covenant isn’t even supposed to know Earth’s location yet. This Covenant must be captured alive at all costs in order to ascertain what it knew. At all costs. Orders were orders and John knew why they were issued; this Covenant might or might not have sent the coordinates back to whatever passed for a government –

A speck on the horizon. Only a head sticking over the curvature of the Earth. The quarry was evacuated while Blue team scouted the area so no one should be here. John chinned his helmet and the HUD zoomed in. John still could not establish what it was – it was larger than a normal human though.

John quickly scaled the stone bank, slid down the other side, and ran flat out for thirty seconds along the bank. He skidded to a halt and climbed three quarters of the bank. Then he waited.

Eight minutes later, a red blip popped up on John’s motion tracker. It slowly walked closer to John, right down the stone drive. When the blip was directly in front of him, John flexed his arms and the bank of stone spilled across the road. John peeked over and saw a human half buried. One arm above the elbow and the waist down was the only thing showing. John grabbed an ankle and pulled the man out. It twisted and slashed at John with three claws. John’s shield bar began dying – quickly. John grabbed the thing’s knee and thrust his arms parallel with each other, crushing his knee. Then John threw him against the other bank.

John overlooked this creature. It was wearing a yellow and blue suit of some kind. Around the eyes, the suit protruded out like bat ears. Then John noticed the claws. They protruded out from in-between each knuckle. Blood seeped from the base of the blades, which appeared to be metal. The skin was human, but this was something different.

“What are you?” John projected from his helmet.

“I am Wolverine,” it grunted. It got up and charged; on a crushed knee that wasn’t so crushed anymore.

Time slowed, a phenomenon dubbed “Spartan Time” by Kelly. By the time it took Wolverine to take a running step, John raised his MA5C and fired a controlled burst into each leg. Blood spattered out. Wolverine stumbled, then got back up and closed the gap. John stepped hard, starting an avalanche of stone. He twisted around and backed from the bank.

“Blue team, this is Sierra-117. I’ve made contact. One tango. Very dangerous. Close on my position,” John ordered. John turned, and his face met three blades. Sparks flew as the blades sliced across his shield. Then it flickered and died. The blades dug into the chin and forehead of John’s helmet. Wolverine smiled and flicked his wrist; the middle blade sliced through the Mjolnir’s faceplate, passing only a few millimeters above John’s eyes. Wolverine’s right arm flicked away and his left arm came sweeping in, stabbing at John’s ribs. John grabbed Wolverine’s stabbing wrist with his left hand and with his MA5C butt, broke Wolverine’s elbow.

John twisted away from the scuffle and ejected his faceplate. When he turned, Wolverine was grasping his elbow. Before his own eyes, John witnessed grotesque movement under the skin. Stretching another smile, Wolverine charged again. With two perfect elbows. Damn, what the hell is this thing? John fired ten 7.62mm teflon-coated, armor piercing rounds into Wolverine’s chest. Wolverine dropped, blood pumping out the wounds. Slowly, John walked to the creature, his entire person on guard. Wolverine coughed blood, his breathing heavy. Slowly, the blood stopped pouring out. But not because Wolverine was dead. The skin was healing. John emptied the clip into Wolverine’s brain. Blood and brain matter oozed and spilled across the rock.

John quickly reloaded, a motion him and all Spartans practiced for hours back on Reach. John brought his rifle up, meeting Wolverine’s blades. The MA5C was in four pieces before John could pull the trigger. John back-pedaled, and drew his M6G sidearm. Simultaneously, John chinned his shield. His shield’s strength grew substantially. This act oiled the impact of his boots on the ground, but the uneven rock made up for that. John emptied the entire clip of 12.7mm rounds into Wolverine’s chest. Then turned, ran, and scaled the rock bank. He loaded a clip of shredder rounds into his sidearm and turned, meeting Wolverine’s shoulder.

John felt no impact because of the gel layer, but alarms shrilled as he was sent flying. This time, John was sent into the bank, loose rock falling down his body. The rapid beep of his alarm was completely useless without his HUD; John had no idea whether his shield was dying or down, or his suit was damaged somewhere. John wasn’t about to find out though as Wolverine filled his vision. John curled into a ball and rolled down the bank. Wolverine crashed into the bank and dropped onto John. When John rolled over, he found Wolverine falling right on top of him, blades aimed straight down. John grabbed Wolverine’s wrists and held them firm in place. Wolverine dropped onto his trapped wrists, breaking both. John sent him flying.

As he raised his sidearm, John noticed he had gripped it too hard – it was crushed. Damn, lack of discipline. What the hell are you doing John? Get a grip on yourself. He knelt over and grasped a few of the larger sized rocks. He whipped one down the road at Wolverine. While having no way of knowing, John could have clocked the rock at well over a hundred miles per hour. The rock sickeningly crushed Wolverine’s face; the rest of the body crumpled. John did not wait this time. He threw a grenade to one side of Wolverine, then at the middle of the bank across from Wolverine.

The grenade beside Wolverine exploded, ripping an arm and a lot more flesh from the body. Wolverine sailed across the road, and then flew straight into the second grenade. A leg appeared out of the red mist, which coated the road. John palmed another rock with his left hand, and grasped his fighting knife with his other hand. After closing the distance, John noticed a leg, arm, mottled and cooked flesh, and blood stained rock. No body mass whatsoever. John breathed a sigh of relief.

“Blue team, target eliminated. Head for the exfil. Linda, radio for extraction,” John ordered.

After receiving acknowledges, John himself made his way to the exfil point. There was something odd about that creature, Wolverine. He heard rock falling down the bank behind him. John was thrown to the ground before he could even twitch. Sliding across the rocks on his left sholder, John elbowed Wolverine off him. After skidding to a halt, John tried to get to his feet, but was thrown on his back. John blinked the blurriness out of his vision, only to see blades crash straight down onto his chest. His shields failed and the blades sliced clean through. Blood filled his lungs, crawled up his wind pipe, and sputtered out of his mouth. John grabbed Wolverine’s wrists and threw him off. Rolling away, John prepared himself for Wolverine’s counter attack; his Mjolnir suit automatically filling his wounds with biofoam.

Wolverine charged again, this time without his suit. This guy is definitely human, although in some bastardly way. John swiped his knife down into the base of Wolverine’s neck; but glanced off something inside Wolverine’s body. Wolverine countered with his right arm slamming the blades deep into John’s left ribs. This caught John completely unprepared. Wolverine ripped the blades up and out of John’s chest. John kneed Wolverine in the ribs. This time, it was Wolverine who rolled away from the fight.

“Blue team… fall back. Have the fleet bomb this site from orbit,” John ordered.

“Sir? What the hell is going on?” Fred questioned.

“Thanks… thanks Spartans. Mission accomplished,” John sputtered. John chinned the overload of his fusion generator. Wolverine stepped over John, and then kneeled at his side. He raised his blades over John’s face and smiled.

“Go to hell…” John gasped.

Everything flared white. For a moment, the Earth held the newest star in the universe.

TL;DR

Master Chief loses because Wolverine can get k.o'd by Chief.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek:

Im going to say Wolverine. I know MCs shield takes a couple of hits and has to recharge. Does each claw Wolverine possess count as 6 total in one attack???

Not sure. From what I've seen when Wolverine fights he usually only swings with one arm. Wolverine does stab more often with both arms though.

I've only skimmed through the thread but here are some wolverine cutting feats:

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I am not a halo expert but considering wolverine was able to cut these people I doubt chief is tanking much (Admittedly the scans of hulk are a low showing of his healing factor).

Wolverine cutting Ex Nihilo vines which were capable of restraining thor:

Also they don't begin visible, right? And I am assuming wolverine has his healing factor?

Energy Sword: Type-1

The Type-1 Energy Weapon is an extremely powerful and effective melee weapon in close quarters combat. A single strike can penetrate through the energy shield systems and into the armour and flesh of a Spartan or a Sangheili. This is due to the design of the weapon which utilizes magnetically sealed, partially ionized, free moving electron based gas rather than traditional shaped, solid matter. Because of this, the Type-1 Energy Weapon's edge is extremely sharp, being able to slice through the toughest metals with ease.

- Halo wiki

Haven't actually read the books but the source was from the Halo: The Cole Protocol (pg 84) and Halo: First Strike (pg 72) novels.

To my understanding an Energy Sword is extremely hot, and discharges energy shielding. The actual metal of Chief's armour isn't where the durability is, it'd the energy the armour gives off. Has Wolverine cut through energy shielding? Sure he has cut through pretty durable people, but I want to see some energy slicing feats.

In addition, Chief's armour recharges in seconds and if he is critically wounded, the suit produces a bio-foam which can go so far as to temporarily replace organs.

I guess it'd boil down to factors such as Wolverine's HF coming in to play.

My point with the Energy Sword was that, the sword is specifically designed to slice through shields which is why it is so effective against SPARTAN armour.

I'm leaning more towards Chief.

He's got some pretty hardcore training to combat Wolverines & his armor is much better, allowing him to take lots of hits from Wolverine at a close range where he can then retaliate and issue the angry Canadian severe beatdown.

His healing factor may be great, but he can still get KOed due to blunt force trauma!

But what about all the Wolverine talk about it taking class 100+ ton punches to K.O wolverine?

MC doesn't pack that type of fire power.

Master Chief has taken falls from atmospheric re-entry. I'd say that is a 100+ ton hit. Wolverine has been put down by less.

to be fair he had his crystallized gel layer active and he was k.o'd for several hours and could have died (more luck feat rather than durability)

True but on average he tanks 20 ton punches with out getting k.o'd via his battles with Spiderman.

@_hydra_: Master Chief took a fall from re-entry in Halo 4 too. He got back up moments later.

Wolverine's ability to "TANK" punches fluctuates too much for me to have a good gauge on it.

He's a Street Level character who can tank class 100+ ton punches?

I just don't see it, I mean, he's got some high end feats but he's also got some pretty low ones, and it's not like he ALWAYS goes up against powerhouses. Hell he's been given trouble by Sabertooth before and he doesn't pack that kind of firepower.

I'd give the slight majority to Chief. I don't think Chiefs guns in the op are going to do much against Logan. Logan soaks bullets in his sleep and keeps going. I think Chief wins with a KO either by a couple of well placed grenades or blunt force trama.

I say Cheif wins 6/10

Still undecided on this one.

@thetruebarryallen: Wolverine does usually tank punches from people sporting class 25+ strength. He tanks class 100+ punches on rare occasions really.

@wolverine08: Yeah, I think Chief could deliver some punches in that lower class due to his armor & super soldier physique.

Plus Chief's HUD will help him quite a bit throughout this fight, he may not have the senses to pick up on Wolverine through smell, but he'll see his little blip on that radar.

@thetruebarryallen:

I'm actually still not sure about this one. I initially wanted to side with Wolverine due to my bias lol, but looking at both combatants abilities, they both have different ways to put each other down. Could go either way really.

@jashro44: They do not begin visible to each other, and Wolverine does have his healing factor. However, about the claws part, I have to agree with MonsterStomp.

While Wolverine has his healing factor and adamantium armor durability, Master Chief packs titanium armor and energy shielding that has endured atmospheric re-entry numerous times. Logan's claws are solid matter, so it would take a bit of slashes and stabs to penetrate the energy shields. On top of that, his shields can recharge. It's kind of like Unus the Untouchable, but with weaker shielding and having to recharge.

John's armour is not resisting adamantium for anyone who wants clarification. It's been pierced, slashed and penetrated by weaker alloys with enough force put behind it. God_spawn and I had a theory that Logan's claws would be able to effortlessly work their way through the shielding as he did the same with Armor on a previous occasion where her shielding was useless against his claws.

As for the battle itself, I'm giving the edge to Wolverine due to Logan having no real way of taking a win with standard means and gear. Just to clarify, John, in his MJOLNIR Mark VI armour, is probably around 3-5 ton range or at a general superhuman level in terms of physical means, with the most impressive category being combat speed and reflexes. As a child right out of augmentation, his reflexes were ten times faster than that of a regular human and only substantially increased as his adrenaline as pumping. That also grew as he aged and to simplify it, his armour enhances all of his physical capabilities by a factor of five, although it's only been stated so for reaction speed and a factor of two for strength and raw speed.

Nonetheless, he moderately outranks Logan in terms of physicals as well as being well trained himself, albeit not on the same level as Logan but he might utilize his skill more often. Now, there is a potential that John may be able to knock out Logan due to his insane speed coupled with the weight behind his armour and rate of speed he tosses attacks. John in his armour weighs over a thousand pounds and moves more gracefully than arguably any low level superhuman and I'd even push it say around the same level as Spider-Man in terms of reflexes. That alone could potentially hand him an advantage against Logan but then again, Logan isn't a slouch either in terms of speed and has faced and impressed speedsters such as Peter Parker, Daredevil, Captain America, etc. The only differentiating factor for me is that if Logan manages to close the distance and opens himself up to land a punishing blow, it might lead the fight largely in his favour.

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@jokergeist: When you write up a blog, it'll ask you if you want to post it anywhere else or simply leave it as a blog. Simply choose wherever you feel it fits and post. Simple as that.

@deranged_midget: Where is the option? I can't find it ._.

@jokergeist said:

@deranged_midget: Where is the option? I can't find it ._.

After you create the blog there will be an option to post it in a specific forum.

@dccomicsrule2011: @deranged_midget: Oooohhhhh thank you both.

Now I'm gonna go write a blog, just because I can.

@jokergeist: No problem. :D

This is actually hard for me because of my inner fanboyism.

Master Chief's armour has taken extreme heats, extremely freezing temperatures, high levels of impact and much more due to the armours energy. I think it'd take Wolverine a few swipes to actually get Master Chief's shields down, from then on it's slicing through the titanium alloy like a hot knife through butter.

I think Master Chief's motion tracker and slightly superior reaction should give John amazing defensive awareness. I think in the end, John will have to resort to blunt force attacks. I don't see his gear doing much besides slowing Logan down a notch. Wolverine has soaked bullets and taken explosions with ease.

I think it comes down to how fast Wolverine can down Chief's shields. I know Wolverine is probably faster offensively but Chief does have better defensive awareness and could probably avoid Wolverine's strikes. If bad goes to worse for Chief, he can run around using his superior running speed (60mph) and jump around trees to avoid Wolverine until his shields recharge, a few seconds is all that is needed. I can see Chief winning in a hard fight. Really hard fight. 6/10.

@monsterstomp@deranged_midget:

Nice arguments! For me I'll have to say it might be too close to call.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: It would depend on how his shields work. Are they magnetic in nature? If not I think Logan should be able to cut him based on cutting armor.

@dccomicsrule2011: I made the blog xD

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/jokergeist/blog/harley-quinn-miley-cyrus/93693/

Chief can actually run much faster than Cap with Mjolnir on.

Straight up out of the academy ie. when John was 14, he could sprint at 35 mph and he's only improved since then..

“Your Spartans can run at bursts of up to fifty-five KPH,” he explained. “Kelly can run a little faster, Ithink. They will only get quicker as they adjust to the ‘alterations’ we’ve made to their bodies. They canlift three times their body weight—which, I might add, is almost double the norm due to their increasedmuscle density. And they can virtually see in the dark.”

so you do the math :P

@juiceboks: I see you have made use of my Halo scans!

It's not a magnetic field.

- From Halo Wikia

Energy shielding Is a form of physical shielding consisting of a field of energized particles which will seal around any form of surface, which will deflect physical objects

The shielding looks a bit like this when taking damage.

As you can see it is coated around the armor itself.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Since its physical shielding wolverine should be able to cut it the same way he cut armor.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek Haha yea I read Fall of Reach a few weeks ago so I went perusing the site for some Master Chief scans, and then just happened upon your battle with Cadence from a while back. Great job on that btw!

No, the shields are powered by a fusion pack that sits on the back of his armour and the shielding essentially sits on the surface of the armour completely. Alongside having some of the most dense alloy crafted into the suits armour, and has liquid crystal and hydrostatic gel layers that further increases the strength and density of the armour by a factor of five.

Personally, I don't see a problem with Logan's claws breaking through the armour eventually. The first few attacks may glance off the shielding and scrape away at the armour but unless he dives into the attacks, I think John is safe considering the reflexes and speed he has are more than enough to avoid Logan and keep his distance if need be.

@jashro44 said:

Well it does deflect physical objects, and his adamantium claws are solid matter.

Did you read the novel or the comic book adaptation? I have both but I haven't made my own novel scans yet (I used the novel scans from another site).

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek I read the novel. I generally prefer that medium to comics when it comes to things like this. I also figured it would have more detail and that's really what I look for in reading material.

@juiceboks: The novels are far better in grabbing details and feats for John in terms of the Halo EU. The comics are good, but they are extremely limited.

@deranged_midget Yea I kinda figured that when I looked at one of the comics the other day. It's also easier for me to grab feats from the novels since I don't have a scanner, so I can just quote stuff.

Not to interrupt the Claws vs Shield debate...but Chief's physical stats are pretty huge over Wolverine. Would Wolverine even be able to tag Chief? Could he overpower Chief if he grabs him by the wrists or otherwise disables his ability to slash? If game feats are allowed here, Chief can flip tanks over. 60-70 tons.